eplace
KDE2. (I was thinking of providing a set of binaries that would do this
"switching trick" for you, but I don't know if I'll have the time for it ;)
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ad; I had volunteered for kdemultimedia a
long time ago since I am developing for kde multimedia player...
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takes like 5 seconds to start konqueror, it's insane.
A desktop environment should be usable on a low-end system.
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> Have you even talked to Chris privately about this?
I think on IRC today.
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that idea;
I've asked people on #kde and here on debian-kde now, it's enough. The
/usr/share/kde change that calc said he's going to make should be enough.
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:28, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> [1]: Well, actually they're right, but I don't want to say that in
> public."
Of course they are right to some extent, but I had to reserve it for a
footnote.
Che
intain the packages under an /opt/?
System software or the local administrator? That paragraph doesn't seem to be
consistent at all, and it isn't a good division of responsibility.
>
> Policy is frozen, as it should be. Take the issue back up after woody
> releases.
Ah, sure.
sted for too long.
I wish I had some time to do the /usr/share/kde3 change right now, but I
don't have the time for the huge build and test process; I have an important
deadline approaching... :/ I will try to do the necessary changes (if Chris
hasn't done them yet) when I become
s, could write a one sentence addition to FHS that
clarifies the situation for once and all?
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:47, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Actually the FHS permits use of /opt by distributions you mean. Please add
> it to the policy if you have a logical rationale but then we will have to
> drop "FHS compliance&
has no way of tracking what local software system administrator may
have installed." I think such a clarification is needed since there is a
dangling ambiguity.
I think your message wraps up the discussion. Thanks again.
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t from the
majority of software packages which are smaller pieces of software designed
according to GNU Coding Standards. As a matter of fact, KDE also obeys GNU
Coding Standards to some extent but it is a very large system and therefore
many kde developers feel that it deserves its own directory;
e. KDE is
> not third party software in Debian.
>
So it seems you were the smart person who thought "add-on" in FHS necessarily
meant "third party" although there is not the slightest implication of such a
thing in FHS itself.
For people who are more seriously interested
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> "Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> > Prior to saying that, you should have read the relevant section in
> > policy, seei
kage" to the implementor, as physical
packages do not always correspond to the logical package. For instance in
debian, many software packages are split into subpackages.
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> it! So what's your solution? Put /opt/kde3/bin in $PATH? Imagine how
> large $PATH will grow if everyone follows our precedent.
>
> KDE is not that much of a special case.
Excuse me? Supporting /opt properly in debian was a point I made in no
relation to KDE packaging. I thin
l, hence the expression "Add-on".
As stated in section 3.8, distributions can install software in /opt in
accordance with FHS.
Moreover, this is an established practice as emphasized in FHS standard text.
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if you would care to notice. /opt/bin
and /opt//bin serve different purposes.
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th it, it's just as good as putting them in
/usr/lib. Just have a look at how packages such as libc5 and atlas handle
this. I'm certain there are others, too.
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ard layout in debian (see my earlier posts re: location of docs
> etc. someone has also mentioned the move of config files to /etc/kde2,
> which this should also work around).
That's certainly not a good idea James... There is a utility to find those
dirs on a KDE installation, remembe
bdirs of /opt intended for local administrator's use, such as /opt/bin and
/opt/lib. They should exist on a default install, and binaries in /opt/bin
should be in $PATH, etc.
Please send replies to debian-kde too, or Cc: me.
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d append the path to
/etc/ld.so.conf like the atlas package does. It's the nicest way to handle
that large collection of libraries.
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 01:24, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
>
> That's all that is needed!
Something is left out. What do we do with binaries? I think binaries should
stay in /usr/lib/kde3/bin, and linked to /usr/bin. Maybe /usr/bi
namespace (such as /usr/share/)
>
> I don't want my frigging /opt namespace cluttered. I don't have anything
> there, but if we jump, EVERYONE will follow. We are not jumping.
So be it. Then, review my suggestion for KDE3 that makes more sense for those
who wouldn't like /
much better than
messing around with a string variable.
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change before there is some form of
consensus. It's a small change, but without agreement it can't be done. Note
that you are saying it is bad because it's a change to something old. :)
There are two choices KDE programmers favor:
1) Installing into /opt/kde{version}
2) Instal
e as before.
Also, the proposed change does not affect any KDE2 user in anyway as it
stands, so please don't be confused by what's being discussed.
Regards,
[*] I mean it, Charles is one guy who has wisdom.
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Ivan's suggestion is not too different from what I propose, but mine
is more improved. There is something that I omitted; I will write it later.
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 20:25, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> up just in debian. And may I add that KDE hackers loathe the debian
> packaging somehow? [*] There is some major misunderstanding there, some
[*] This is my impression from convers
too many" is, those are identical.
Eh. Still there is the case of a small software package with several files
and directories. Most of my own programs are like that I believe.
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in
other UNIX systems.
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/opt/kde3 as we should. So that we don't have all of KDE cluttering the whole
filesystem namespace (such as /usr/share/)
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S says distributions can install software in /opt, except
certain subdirs reserved for the system administrator.
Before you give an answer to this, please read the mail I mentioned, and
section 3.8 in complete.
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e the excerpt above to see what it says
about distributions like red hat or debian.
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much
more consistent than Debian.[*] I'm hoping to see something like that with
the use of more advanced kernels.
Thanks,
[*] So every package looks like X11. Packaging system's responsibility is
making sure that the system is consistent and in a working state rather than
showing you
on all KDE apps
> and I will wring your neck".
Heh, my previous mail can only be attributed to cheap drugs.
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btw we are just going to change a few
makefiles that's all, and write a small text file telling people how they
should make debian KDE3 packages. I think an example kde-hello package might
make sense.
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>
> So /usr/share/apps violates FHS policy? That does not seem to be the case
> IIRC. Show me the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE
> packages.
Type mismat
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>
> Why would a package having its own special subdirectories violate Debian
> Policy? That is very common practice and it's a good thing for even small
> codes. What ex
talling it on a debian system is a snap.
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under that tree with aid of symlinks.
However, we do install files where they belong (ro arch indep files in
/usr/share/kde3, libraries in /usr/lib etc) so that everything is FHS
compliant and we keep feeling warm and fuzzy.
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UNIX traditions from
> before Linux and were grandfathered in to the FHS. They really shouldn't
> exist.
Yes.. It does look inconsistent.
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; gnome.
>
KDE hackers have already thought of that. It's some third party people who
caused the insensible kde directory layout.
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pt debian uses /opt/kde3, and changing to that
would be beneficial. The current layout has to be changed in any case, it is
major brain damage.
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common practice and it's a good thing for even small
codes. What exactly do you mean? Show me the section please.
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n e.g. /usr/games or even /usr/X11.
Yes. But using subdirs is required when there are too many files rather than
the total size of files exceeding a threshold.
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at does not seem to be the case
IIRC. Show me the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE
packages.
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in KDE3 packaging.
Surely. Chris, Harlequin and I should get together and discuss whatever
changes might be useful.
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Hi Daniel,
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 03:25, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:44:29AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian systems is
&g
se the kde maintainers are a little busy at the
> moment ;) so I'm not expecting instant results, but I thought it might be
> worth sparking the debate since it might involve co-ordination from
> application developers.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks for reading (sorry so lo
e contact me?
Unfortunately I'm not available until February, but if you have any problems
I'd try to help.
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e using debian systems for coding. If Ivan is still using KDE we could
continue working on KDE CVS together. So that whoever the build guy is in
debian, he can just wrap and go. What matters is that the stuff works for you
people.
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o get both versions of kdebase or any other
> set of packages to coexist. I should have these packages up for dl very
> soon.
Yes, that should be the way apparently. I just fixed something that broke the
kdemultimedia build yesterday, so there is one less bug to worry about ;)
Keep u
long. There may not be another bugfix release.
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. I think it's going
to be usable quite soon. beta1 is already tagged, and I think it's really
going to be cool when it comes out.
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nt qt-copy seems to be working
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to the user. That is hardwired now I suppose?
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/system bugs. Why was this change made? I'd at least
like to have the option to report to KDE BTS.
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kwaveFlash.class:
file=/usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6/ShockwaveFlash.class:
/usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6/ShockwaveFlash.class: invalid ELF header
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. That's
how you can get back to working KDE2.2.
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doing something else incorrect.
Did you try over other terminal emulators?
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y should be able to get to a stable-only version.
At any rate, the back-up thing is what they should be doing before trying out
anything alpha and we should warn them about that issue.
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564kB of archives. After unpacking 34.7MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Don't try it. :P
To get back to a running system, you have to remove these, and then --remove
- --force-all kdelibs3 and then reinstall kdelibs3.
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t; /usr/share/kde
/usr/lib/kde/etc -> /etc/kde
I'm just writing this to show that there is more than one way to do it. IMHO
for large subsystems it's better to use a directory layout like this. And
there are packages that do similar organization in debian.
Comments welcome,
ible. If they
don't work well, they shouldn't be made available.
2. Developers are debian users, too. In the case of debian even more so!
That's why I suggest we give them proper support and really have a
kde-cvs-dev working for the bees in the nest.
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Hi people,
I really think KDE 2.x ought to go into
/usr/lib/kde2
and KDE3.x into
/usr/lib/kde3
(or a finer-grained directory organization /usr/share/kde2, etc.)
What do you think?
Thanks in advance,
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And btw, don't
# dpkg --force-all --install kdelibs4...
It botches KDE 2.x.
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in
package koffice-libs
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Hi,
Could any of you summarize his experience with KDE 3.0 Alpha1? How
stable/usable is it?
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O it's not a good idea, unless you
> have big characters in respect to resolution, i.e. a pixel does not matter
> any more. Otherwise you'll just get *unsharp/fading* edges - and that's
> exactly my definition of blur.
It's a matter of taste it seems :)
Cheers,
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art using
AA. Rather weird.
Lucida Console looks good with konsole but is it really better than fixed
(misc).
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ook a lot more like they were
intended to.
So, could you tell me about your font settings?
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3a2.2-cvs20010602-1_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-dev_4%3a2.2-cvs20010602-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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/usr/local and have them work without
such problems?
The problem so far occured at least with kbiff and ksetiwatch.
They insist on being installed directly in /usr which leaves
a lot of cruft.
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