kde2 sarge x86, QT_XFT environment and TTF weirdness.

2002-10-25 Thread Sudhi Herle
Hello, I am using the default kde packages from debian sarge on x86 (kde 2.2.2-5). (libqt2 => qt 2.3.1) I also have X setup to use TTF. I know my TTF setup works -- all other non-kde apps can see TTF correctly (phoenix, mozilla, sylpheed, etc.). Here is the problem: Starting from a clean slate

Re: Browser Rendering Uncovered

2002-10-25 Thread Simon Hepburn
Derek Broughton wrote: > Are you seriously telling me that FreeType (which I _only_ have for support > of my TTF fonts), as delivered by Debian, doesn't support anti-aliasing, > and I have to recompile it? It's not a question of whether it supports AA or not, its whether it uses the bytecode int

famd hogging the CPU

2002-10-25 Thread Michael Schuerig
Apparently KDE3 and famd (file alteration monitor daemon) don't play nicely together. There's a bug already filed against famd. famd hogs the CPU, possilby polling for changes. I'm using Linux 2.4.19 and there famd is supposed to use the resource-saving dnotify method for detecting changes. De

Re: Browser Rendering Uncovered

2002-10-25 Thread Derek Broughton
From: "Bob Tilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The cause and the correction to my recent browser rendering woes is on > display today at The Register. > > The http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27788.html";>article > discusses how to "purtify" font display throughout the KDE environment. The > tech

Re: kde31beta questions...

2002-10-25 Thread Karolina Lindqvist
torsdagen den 24 oktober 2002 20.05 skrev Corey Kovacs: > 2: When I try to install koffice, it's telling me that it needs > kdelibs4 > > koffice: Depends: koffice-libs but it is not going to be installed >Depends: karbon but it is not going to be installed >Depends: kchart

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Here's the menu rewrite plan in a nutshell: 8< snip the good stuff 8< Great, this looks awesome. Thanks! It will be very cool to have complete, internationalised menus in Debian. > - GNOME2 and KDE 3.1 can deal with these .desktop files the same way > they deal with any other .desktop fi

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Marek Habersack
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:59:36PM +1000, Jeff Waugh scribbled: > > > > Jeff, while all you write above is true and the vFolder spec is the > > mechanism which will be used (as I gather), I thought this discussion was > > not about "how to do that technically" but "how to organize the layout". I

Browser Rendering Uncovered

2002-10-25 Thread Bob Tilley
The cause and the correction to my recent browser rendering woes is on display today at The Register. The http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27788.html";>article discusses how to "purtify" font display throughout the KDE environment. The techniques are probably applicable to other window mana

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Chris Lawrence
(I'm only on -devel of these three lists.) On Oct 25, Jeff Waugh wrote: > With correctly written .desktop files, that's precisely what it does. :-) > I'm assuming that you'd want to stick with the current menu layout for > generated menu files (for e, WindowMaker, etc), but let the other systems >

[desktop] Don't think you know the users

2002-10-25 Thread Robert Watkins
After reading the discussion list recently, I'm concerned we'll be wasting our time trying to convice others of our opinions. So, here's my two cents worth. Top 10 things you say when having a non-productive discussion of user's experience. 10. Users don't what _that_ 9. Users what _this_ 8. _E

Re: kde31beta questions...

2002-10-25 Thread Corey Kovacs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the reply. I have all of those packages so thanks for them as well :) The question remains though, what happened to "archive web page" etc. under 'tools' in Konqueror? Are they simply missing, or is there some other package, not a plugin

Re: Can't find X includes ( kdeartswork problem )

2002-10-25 Thread Charles de Miramon
Le Vendredi 25 Octobre 2002 15:42, suresh kumar sharma a écrit : > Hi, > I have a debian 2.4.19 and kde 3.0.3 running on my > laptop, > I was trying to install kdeartworks, but when I ran > the ./configure file It says can't find X includes . > this is the error message I get . > ## > checking

Re: Can't find X includes ( kdeartswork problem )

2002-10-25 Thread Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, suresh kumar sharma wrote: > Hi, > I have a debian 2.4.19 and kde 3.0.3 running on my > laptop, > I was trying to install kdeartworks, but when I ran > the ./configure file It says can't find X includes . > this is the error message I get . > ## > checking for X... configu

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Jeff, while all you write above is true and the vFolder spec is the > mechanism which will be used (as I gather), I thought this discussion was > not about "how to do that technically" but "how to organize the layout". I > doubt vFolder will automagically categorize applications, put them in th

Can't find X includes ( kdeartswork problem )

2002-10-25 Thread suresh kumar sharma
Hi, I have a debian 2.4.19 and kde 3.0.3 running on my laptop, I was trying to install kdeartworks, but when I ran the ./configure file It says can't find X includes . this is the error message I get . ## checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Tim Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > [ On Friday 25 October 2002 07:53 am, David Megginson wrote: ] > Why *wouldn't* a typical user want both Gnome and KDE apps on the main > menu? After all, if I've installed a spreadsheet, word processor, > browser, game, etc., I probably wan

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Derek Broughton
From: "Jeff Waugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think this thread could do with a good helping of spec-reading. :-) > > > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/VFolderDesktops.txt > > > > I looked at that, and it's almost completely impossible

Re: Konqueror VS Galeon -- Rendering???

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Cupis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 October 2002 13:42, Bob Tilley wrote: > I run Debian unstable with KDE 3.1b2 from shakti.cx and upgrade nightly. > > I can look at a web page (say www.slashdot.org) in Konqueror side-by-side > with Galeon, and the output from Konqueror is

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread David Megginson
Luke Seubert writes: > Hmm, that might be doable. It does add more complexity for the folks > working on the backend of all this stuff. And it adds another slightly > complicated question during install time possibily - "Attention User - Do > you want both Gnome and KDE apps showing up in yo

Re: Konqueror VS Galeon -- Rendering???

2002-10-25 Thread Hasso Tepper
Bob Tilley wrote: > I run Debian unstable with KDE 3.1b2 from shakti.cx and upgrade > nightly. > > I can look at a web page (say www.slashdot.org) in Konqueror > side-by-side with Galeon, and the output from Konqueror is a poor > comparison to the output of the Mozilla engine. Is this a > byproduc

Konqueror VS Galeon -- Rendering???

2002-10-25 Thread Bob Tilley
I run Debian unstable with KDE 3.1b2 from shakti.cx and upgrade nightly. I can look at a web page (say www.slashdot.org) in Konqueror side-by-side with Galeon, and the output from Konqueror is a poor comparison to the output of the Mozilla engine. Is this a byproduct of the seemingly-more-accurat

Re: Broken KDE3; "fcntl: bad file descriptor"

2002-10-25 Thread Karolina Lindqvist
fredagen den 25 oktober 2002 12.46 skrev Alex: > dpkg adjusts it's output to your screen width. Set COLUMNS to something > wider and you get full packagenames and versions. Works for other apps too. > > COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l Fantastic! Thank you. Many other programs sense the column with themselves

Problem with Quanta

2002-10-25 Thread Emil Wilmanski
Hi Why in my computer Quanta Open without editor window. In main window is only structure tree. To open edit window I have to click "show messages" to open edit window which include messages window. When I edit sth in edit window I cant use shortcats. To use shortcat I have to activate main win

Re: Broken KDE3; "fcntl: bad file descriptor"

2002-10-25 Thread Alex
On Friday 25 October 2002 00:06, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > "3.0.8" or something, to see if all versions are the same. (Unfortunately > dpkg truncates the names and the versions, and I don't know how to make it > show the whole name. Oh well, life is not always easy) dpkg adjusts it's output to

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Marek Habersack
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:10:57PM +1000, Jeff Waugh scribbled: > > > > I don't think it's bad to prejudice the displayed menus toward the > > `current environment', but I think the difference between the menus > > displayed when using a Gnome desktop and those displayed when using a KDE > > desk

Re: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> That said, i guess this is against the wish of the upstream gnome team, > so politics again, and their stupid opinion that they know best what > should go on _my_ desktop than me, or rather that they only target 'real > users' for gnome 2, 'real users' which would be confused by anything out >

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> So we are supposed to throw the debian menu system aside, and use the > freedesktop stuff as replacement ? And all other WMs have to adapt ? Given that Debian's shift to the .desktop format has already been proposed (and work proceeds on its implementation), and that the menu system will need

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 03:20:49PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > I'm confused -- why do you say `No' when the rest of what you write seems > > to agree with what was said? > > > > That is, isn't vFolder/.desktop a _mechanism_, with which the debian menu > > structure could be conveniently dis

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:57:12PM -0400, Luke Seubert wrote: > On 10/24/2002 6:29 PM, Nick Leverton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'm with the "Want to group like tasks with like" camp, myself. But why > > not make it an Option[tm] ? Have a configurable bit in the menu program > > called "F

Re: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:12:59PM -0400, Luke Seubert wrote: > On 10/24/2002 7:20 PM, Nick Leverton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Why just make one decision when you can make two, though ? And > > isn't it All About Choice[tm] anyway ? ;-) > > > Yeah, except that too much choice is rough to

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The .desktop format is the proposed replacement for Debian's current menu > file format, and in use by GNOME and KDE already. I would have thought the > standard was required reading for even starting to discuss the next-gen menu > stuff in Debian... > >

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think this thread could do with a good helping of spec-reading. :-) > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/VFolderDesktops.txt > > I looked at that, and it's almost completely impossible to understand, > since it apparently assumes that you

Re: [desktop] Please read the vFolder spec [Was: why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks]

2002-10-25 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think this thread could do with a good helping of spec-reading. :-) > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/VFolderDesktops.txt I looked at that, and it's almost completely impossible to understand, since it apparently assumes that you already know wh

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I'm confused -- why do you say `No' when the rest of what you write seems > to agree with what was said? > > That is, isn't vFolder/.desktop a _mechanism_, with which the debian menu > structure could be conveniently displayed by Gnome/KDE (replacing the > normal Gnome/KDE menu structure)? No

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Paul
Hello Luke, On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:18:47 -0400 Luke Seubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This would tend to argue in favor of segregated menus then, > with GTK apps showing up when one is using the Gnome desktop, and QT apps > showing up when one is in the KDE desktop. But GTK is not Gnome. What

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Miles Bader
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In other words, we should be using a unified Debian menu structure > > > with appropriate tweaks for certain environments (and in > > > particular, _not_ using the default Gnome/KDE menu structures). > > > > Yup. > > No... The point behind the vFolde

Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > In other words, we should be using a unified Debian menu structure with > > appropriate tweaks for certain environments (and in particular, _not_ using > > the default Gnome/KDE menu structures). > > Yup. No... The point behind the vFolder spec is that both GNOME and KDE can show all of t