Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
great amount of time and thought. Different programmers might do it
in different ways. I'm not referring here to the work done by ld, but
to the process of buildi
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
> mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
> great amount of time and thought. Different programmers might do it
> in different ways. I'm not referring
As mentioned previously, I had some minor issues getting eclipse3 to run
on my system (I'm running unstable). I've made a few minor changes to
get the package built and working.
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 16:23 +0200, Thomas Fogwill wrote:
> Firstly, the startup.jar symlink is broken:
> /usr/share/ec
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 19:51 +, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> > This build runs fine (so far) with kaffe, but does not run at all with
> > any other VMs: (tried: Sun's 1.4.2 JDK, SableVM, gij).
> >
> > As this is the case, would it not make sense to add the following to
> > the /usr/bin/eclipse script
Am Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2005 17:18 schrieb Thomas Fogwill:
> Indeed, success! I used the startup script at
> http://sablevm.org/wiki/Eclipse Will take a look at it in more
> detail tomorrow to see what is needed to get it merged with the
> current startup script.
The sablevm startup script uses
Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
>> mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
>> great amount of time and thought. Different programmers mi
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:59 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
> mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
> great amount of time and thought. Different programmers might do it
> in
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:21:51 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> So in answer to your direct question: the unlinked binary isn't
> derived from any of them. The complete binary, including its
> libraries, included whichever one Debian shipped it with.
No, it's not a de
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[large discussion of C snipped out]
In the case of Java, the binding is even looser. A class might
contain references to other classes which the JVM is free to look for
anywhere it pleases. AFAIK, Eclipse uses only the standard
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> If it causes even one person to understand that the generation or
>> transportation of a copy is what matters, and not technical
>> workarounds, I'll consider it useful.
>
> If it causes even one person to examine the legal precedents and form
>
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:02 +0100, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> > Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [large discussion of C snipped out]
>
> >>In the case of Java, the binding is even looser. A class might
> >>contain references to other classes which the JVM i
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 18:18 +0200, Thomas Fogwill wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 19:51 +, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> > > This build runs fine (so far) with kaffe, but does not run at all with
> > > any other VMs: (tried: Sun's 1.4.2 JDK, SableVM, gij).
> > >
> > > As this is the case, would it not
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:11:22PM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote:
> Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
> > mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
> > great amount of time and thought.
Hi,
There's been a lenghty (but in my opinion more fruitful) discussion of
similar matters on the Linux kernel mailing list. We all know that FSF
might be sometimes seen as interpreting its licenses very strictly, but
we also know that OTOH Linus has much more permissive approach.
Yet, if you fo
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:55 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > If you at least went on and read next paragraph of the FAQ from which
> > you took the above.
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL
> >
> > "However, when
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:02 +0100, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>> Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
>> > Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> [large discussion of C snipped out]
>>
>> >>In the case of Java, the binding is even looser. A class
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 08:02:57PM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote:
> > Derivation is something that happens when you *write* the program. Not
> > when you build it.
>
> How many times does it have to be stated that *using* an API does not
> form a derivative work of *any* implementation of the API?
M
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:11:22PM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote:
>> Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
>> > mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled p
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:55 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > If you at least went on and read next paragraph of the FAQ from which
>> > you took the above.
>> >
>> > http://www.gnu.org/lice
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:19 +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 08:02:57PM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote:
> > > Derivation is something that happens when you *write* the program. Not
> > > when you build it.
> >
> > How many times does it have to be stated that *using* an API does
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:15 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:55 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> I fail to see the relevance of this paragraph to the discussion
Does anyone know why I would be getting this problem when I try to compile java directly to binary
using GCJ?
#> gcj-3.4 HelloWorld.java
GCJ-3.4; libgcj.spec: No such file or directory
what is libgcj.spec? Does anyone know how to contact the developer. I am
using Sun's SDK 1.4
--
~.~.~.~.~.~.~
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:15 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:55 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> >> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >> I fa
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Matt Young wrote:
| Does anyone know why I would be getting this problem when I try to
| compile java directly to binary using GCJ?
|
| #> gcj-3.4 HelloWorld.java
| GCJ-3.4; libgcj.spec: No such file or directory
|
| what is libgcj.spec? Does anyone kn
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:58 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Now, in our case, Eclipse is linked agains a libraries that ARE GPLed.
>
> No, it is being interpreted by an interpreter that is covered by the
> GPL. Even the FSF admits that this do
Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The Eclipse authors do not tell you which JVM to use.
But Debian does, when it says:
Depends: j2re1.4 | j2re1.3 | java2-runtime
So the eclipse-platform distributed by Debian *does* call on a
particular JVM. And it isn't kaffe, it's Sun's. We do docum
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:21:51 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
>> So in answer to your direct question: the unlinked binary isn't
>> derived from any of them. The complete binary, including its
>> libraries, includ
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:59 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Combining X+Y in the way that you have described is anything but
>> mechanical: it is a task which typically takes a skilled programmer a
>> great amount of t
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:19:36 -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> But in our case you're using an implementation that also at the same
> time defines the interface (this if functional equivalent of header
> files). You cannot simply take a GPL implementation, compile ag
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 15:28 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> "Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:21:51 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> So in answer to your direct question: the unlinked binary isn't
> >> deriv
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:58 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Now, in our case, Eclipse is linked agains a libraries that ARE GPLed.
>>
>> No, it is being interpreted by an interpreter that
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL
>
> "However, when the interpreter is extended to provide "bindings" to
> other facilities (often, but not necessarily, libraries), the
...
> Do you understand tha
I am using Sun's SDK because I am compiling apps that were written specifically using the 1.4 API
and Blackdown does not currently have a 1.4 j2sdk. It was pretty Easy to install so I have stuck
with it. I am using gcj3.4 because it is the latest in the "testing" branch. I ffigured it was
wor
Ok you guys have been having this pissing contest for several days and I know that my interest
disappeared after the 2nd reply. Please take the legal to another list or offlist preferably. I
subscribed to the debian-java list not the debian-legal list. In the meantime you guys are spamming
th
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The Eclipse authors do not tell you which JVM to use.
>
> But Debian does, when it says:
> Depends: j2re1.4 | j2re1.3 | java2-runtime
>
> So the eclipse-platform distributed by Debian *does* call on a
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 21:56 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:58 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Now, in our case, Eclipse is linked agains a libraries that AR
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 15:58 -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
>
> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL
> >
> > "However, when the interpreter is extended to provide "bindings" to
> > other facilities (often
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 22:02 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> The Eclipse authors do not tell you which JVM to use.
> >
> > But Debian does, when it says:
> > Depends: j2re1.4 | j2re1.3 | java2-ru
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Matt Young wrote:
| I am using Sun's SDK because I am compiling apps that were written
| specifically using the 1.4 API and Blackdown does not currently have a
| 1.4 j2sdk. It was pretty Easy to install so I have stuck with it. I am
| using gcj3.4 bec
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 21:56 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 20:58 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> >> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >> > No
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Putting it differently: if that was allowed, then why do we need glibc
> to be LGPLed, and not GPLed? After all the C language and its basic
> libraries are also standarized to great extent.
I can see no real reason.
> But having glibc purel
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 22:51 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> > Do you understand that a program being interpreted is effectively
> >> > linked to these facilities it uses thru these bindings?
> >>
> >> Yes. Which bindings does Eclipse use?
> >
> > I told you. Plenty. And if we're making Eclipse
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:35:50PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> > But was Kaffe _extended_ to provide such bindings for Eclipse 3.0?
>
> This FAQ entry discusses 2 cases. One is when we have an interpreter,
> that basically goes over the pseudo-code and purely "interprets" it
> (an old B
Hi,
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 12:21 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > AFAIK, Eclipse uses only the standard Java API
> > as published by Sun, and will run equally well with any implementation
> > of said interface.
>
> Great -- which implementation doe
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Which Eclipse packages? The old ones we have in SID now? Irrelevant.
> There would have been nothing whatsoever to discuss in such case.
>
> The *new* Eclipse packages that are being prepared now and which we've
> been discussing (I already sa
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 17:24 -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:35:50PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> > > But was Kaffe _extended_ to provide such bindings for Eclipse 3.0?
> >
> > This FAQ entry discusses 2 cases. One is when we have an interpreter,
> > that basically
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 15:58 -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL
>> >
>> > "However, when the interpreter is ex
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 18:13 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Which Eclipse packages? The old ones we have in SID now? Irrelevant.
> > There would have been nothing whatsoever to discuss in such case.
> >
> > The *new* Eclipse packages th
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Barry Hawkins wrote:
| Matt Young wrote:
| | I am using Sun's SDK because I am compiling apps that were written
| | specifically using the 1.4 API and Blackdown does not currently have a
| | 1.4 j2sdk. It was pretty Easy to install so I have stuck with
On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 18:18 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 15:58 -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-
> > Is this relevant to Eclipse? I was under the impression that Eclipse
> > was pure java -- that it did not use JNI at all.
> >
> > If Eclipse does use JNI, would still a question about whether or not
> > Kaffe's JNI implementation constitute some kind of extension designed
> > to work around t
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> These facilities include class loading, class instantiation,
> synchronization, garbage collection (ie. you can trigger GC from within
> your program), reflection (ie. you can ask VM "what are methods that
> this class have?").
Those are featu
Kaffe(1.1.4.PRECVS6-1):
works with the original and patched launcher scripts (except for the
common "workbench state" error that happens with all the free VMs I
tried - see below). Also, eclipse crashes occasionally on kaffe during
startup with an SWTException (Widget is disposed).
SableVM(1.1.8
On Fri, 2005-14-01 at 08:53 +0200, Thomas Fogwill wrote:
> Kaffe(1.1.4.PRECVS6-1):
> works with the original and patched launcher scripts (except for the
> common "workbench state" error that happens with all the free VMs I
> tried - see below). Also, eclipse crashes occasionally on kaffe during
>
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