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Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Jerry Haltom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Curiously, > > Can building these .class files built with Kaffee prevent their usage > with a non-free alternative JVM? If Kaffe is totally Java standards > compliant, then that's cool... is that the case? Will there be ANY > deficiencies in these classes

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Etienne Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Daniel Bonniot wrote: >> Etienne Gagnon wrote: >>> The biggest problem is that Kaffe is licensed under the GNU GPL, so >>> if an application/library can only be compiled with Kaffe, it must >>> be licensed under the GPL too (or at least be "license comp

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Daniel Bonniot
Hello Etienne, I repeat: I am simply pointing you to the relevant documentation, Thanks for the pointers. I am aware of those discussions, having followed some of them on this list. but I am not willing to discuss the issue. I don't want to restart that discussion either ;-) I was asking yo

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Daniel Bonniot wrote: The biggest problem is that Kaffe is licensed under the GNU GPL, so if an application/library can only be compiled with Kaffe, it must be licensed under the GPL too (or at least be "license compatible" with the GPL). Given that this case seldom/never happens, I wouldn't say t

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Etienne Gagnon wrote: In other words, I would be very wary of a GPL incompatible package that has a "build-depends" on kaffe only, or a depends on kaffe only. (adding a non-working build-depends or depends does not count). I should illustrate this: $ apt-cache showsrc junit ... Build-Depends-Inde

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Dalibor Topic
Salut Daniel, Etienne, Daniel Bonniot wrote: I was asking you a yes or no question about what you meant in your message: you agree the GPL would only apply to programs that can run only with Kaffe, and cannot run with, say, Sun's JVM? Looking at the message you linked to, I would assume yes, b

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Daniel Bonniot
If a debian package can only be built using Kaffe, then it depends on Kaffe and thus should be GPL compatible, according to both the debian-legal concensus and the FSF interpretation. Unless I am missing something? I think you are mixing the debian package with the upstream program. Upstream pro

Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: It's an interesting question whether compilation with a GPL'd program causes the output to be GPLd. I don't see an FAQ entry on the FSF page for that, so I'd propose to take the discussion to debian-legal, if necessary. Let me clarify. It's not compilation using a GPL progr

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Re: eight packages could possibly go to main!

2004-02-23 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Daniel Bonniot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think you are mixing the debian package with the upstream program. And remember that a build-depends is really a suggestion. The end user can override it and build the package with Sun JDK, for example. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistingu