Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
28 Apr 2005 10:33:49 -0600, Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Arnaud" == Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Arnaud> About the gcj ABI, it'd be cool to know the plans of the gcj > Arnaud> devs before putting efforts in packaging java to native ;-) > > GCC 4.0 includes the

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Arnaud" == Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Arnaud> About the gcj ABI, it'd be cool to know the plans of the gcj Arnaud> devs before putting efforts in packaging java to native ;-) GCC 4.0 includes the first working version of the BC ABI. However, we don't yet promise actual bin

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Arnaud" == Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Arnaud> As Michael pointed out, we first need to have benchmarks to know if Arnaud> there are real advantages to compile things to native. Also, we could Arnaud> make choice: do we need to build the libs and the apps? only the apps? Arna

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-28 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On 4/28/05, Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > The policy update is our biggest problem nowadays as I see it It is totally > out of date and needs to to be completely redone for after-sarge anyway. > > I will try to start something with it soon. It was also my intention, we have to c

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-28 Thread Michael Koch
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 11:42:45AM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > (spring cleaning in my mailboxes... ;-)) > > 29 Mar 2005 21:35:23 +0200, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David N. Welton) wrote: > > Hi David, > > > "Michael Koch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-04-28 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (spring cleaning in my mailboxes... ;-)) 29 Mar 2005 21:35:23 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David N. Welton) wrote: Hi David, > "Michael Koch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Michael, >> I see no reason to imidiately switch everything to eclipse-ecj

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-30 Thread Daniele Cruciani
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:27:18PM +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:10:28PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:24:26PM +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > > > Il giorno mar, 29-03-20

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-30 Thread Daniele Cruciani
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:24:26PM +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > Il giorno mar, 29-03-2005 alle 18:02 +0200, Michael Koch ha scritto: > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 05:35:55PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > > > would it be done

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:10:28PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:24:26PM +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > > Il giorno mar, 29-03-2005 alle 18:02 +0200, Michael Koch ha scritto: > > > > On Tue, Mar 29,

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Koch] > We had this discussion before. And I still think that your > conclusions is good for commercial distris but bad for Debian. The conclusion is good for Custom Debian Distributions too. A lot of users want to leave the hard choices to the domain experts, and trust the experts to m

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread David N. Welton
"Michael Koch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I see no reason to imidiately switch everything to eclipse-ecj and > gcc-4.0 when it hits debian. We live from freedom of choice and mono > cultures are bad. We've talked about this some before, but I'll put in my two cents here for "choice is ok, but

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 09:35:23PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > "Michael Koch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I see no reason to imidiately switch everything to eclipse-ecj and > > gcc-4.0 when it hits debian. We live from freedom of choice and mono > > cultures are bad. > > We've talked ab

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > Il giorno mar, 29-03-2005 alle 18:02 +0200, Michael Koch ha scritto: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 05:35:55PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > > would it be done as > > > > > > /usr/bin/time fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage > > > > > >

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Daniele Cruciani
Il giorno mar, 29-03-2005 alle 18:02 +0200, Michael Koch ha scritto: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 05:35:55PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > > would it be done as > > > > /usr/bin/time fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage > > > > with a java package for testing the gain of eclipse-ecj ? > > > > some changes

Re: test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 05:35:55PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: > would it be done as > > /usr/bin/time fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage > > with a java package for testing the gain of eclipse-ecj ? > > some changes rules or some changes to cdbs for switching java compiler > by setting a var in rule

test if there is a gain

2005-03-29 Thread Daniele Cruciani
would it be done as /usr/bin/time fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage with a java package for testing the gain of eclipse-ecj ? some changes rules or some changes to cdbs for switching java compiler by setting a var in rules. This second option is good for a number of reasons, just to test if things work