System-wide env. variable (Was: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-09 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Monday 8 November 1999, at 17 h 26, the keyboard of [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You say there's no way in Unix to set a system-wide env variable.Still, > since this is about Debian, wouldn't it be possible to mandate in the > policy that each shell would source a common file that sets up env >

Re: Editor for the Java policy (Was: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-09 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Monday 8 November 1999, at 14 h 31, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is worth implementing. If you are strapped for time or are simply less > interested then maybe we should look to somebody else. I have enough time (I hope so) until potato is released. And I

Re: Editor for the Java policy (Was: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 02:57:39PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Any volunteer to serve as the editor? It means writing the policy (not a lot > of characters/lines but every word has to be carefully choosen), merging > patches, patching the packages to test if the policy is realistic, sendi

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Seth R Arnold
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 05:26:55PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > - ease of use for new users (no .bashrc to edit) and for the sysadmin > > (there is no way in Unix to set a system-wide env. variable), - > > consistency between a shell into xterm ran by Gnome, a shell made after > > a telnet/r

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread flight
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 02:44:04PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Saturday 6 November 1999, at 18 h 14, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I do understand that Debian policy discourages the concept of a > > program requiring that an environment variabl

Editor for the Java policy (Was: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 6 November 1999, at 18 h 14, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that it is a bit late in the game to get this concept into > freeze [No longer an issue.] > If this idea is recieved favorably perhaps it and some other > formalizations can be fol

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sunday 7 November 1999, at 15 h 30, the keyboard of Stefan Gybas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we are at it: I already expressed my dislike for the naming scheme > in the policy (lib-X-java) which is taken from C libraries. This is a more general Policy issue. See bug #41113.

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sunday 7 November 1999, at 7 h 40, the keyboard of Christopher Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) The global CLASSPATH environmental variable never worked for me. I have > too > many different versions of JVMs (blackdown, ibm, kaffe, 1.1, 1.2) Yes, that the major pain with most Java envi

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 6 November 1999, at 18 h 14, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do understand that Debian policy discourages the concept of a > program requiring that an environment variable be set in order to > operate sanely. Note there are several reasons to do s

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-07 Thread Seth R Arnold
On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 03:30:07PM +0100, Stefan Gybas wrote: > While we are at it: I already expressed my dislike for the naming scheme > in the policy (lib-X-java) which is taken from C libraries. I propose to > use the scheme from Phyton instead (java-X). What do other people think > about this?

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-07 Thread Stefan Gybas
"Ean R . Schuessler" wrote: > The best advice is perhaps to follow what policy actually states as > the technique for dealing with programs that require an environment > setting, a wrapper script. It is fairly trivial (1 line of shell code) > to read in a list of configured classpaths from a folde

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-07 Thread Christopher Cobb
Comments: 1) The global CLASSPATH environmental variable never worked for me. I have too many different versions of JVMs (blackdown, ibm, kaffe, 1.1, 1.2) that I generally always set up an application-specific classpath within an application-specific invocation script. 2) Even application-specif

Re: RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-07 Thread Julio Maia
I agree with most of your ideas, but I guess it's better to separate the classpath required for the vm's, libraries and 'applications' (in the meaning of java programs with main classes). The idea is to create a dependency system for the classpaths definitions. As an example, assume the follow

RFC: An alternative to /usr/share/java/repository

1999-11-07 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
I have been giving a lot of thought to the policy that Stephane has proposed. While I certainly appreciate the sentiment that has caused him to push for adoption so strongly I still am not wholly satisfied with the direction of his efforts. I do understand that Debian policy discourages the concep