On Friday 30 June 2000, at 8 h 34,
the keyboard of Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> kaffe's debian/control file says:
>
> Architecture: i386 m68k powerpc sparc arm hurd-i386
>
> so it should build out-of-the-box on a PowerPC ('apt-get --compile source
> kaffe', if the ".deb" i
On Friday 30 June 2000, at 8 h 34,
the keyboard of Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> kaffe's debian/control file says:
>
> Architecture: i386 m68k powerpc sparc arm hurd-i386
>
> so it should build out-of-the-box on a PowerPC ('apt-get --compile source
> kaffe', if the ".deb"
Please take my address *off* the address list for this thread!
I answered a question on debian-ppc from someone who wanted to do
Java development on a PowerPC machine by telling them about the
Blackdown Java Development Kit, prompting Stephane to chime in
about the evils of ``non-free'' software
Please take my address *off* the address list for this thread!
I answered a question on debian-ppc from someone who wanted to do
Java development on a PowerPC machine by telling them about the
Blackdown Java Development Kit, prompting Stephane to chime in
about the evils of ``non-free'' software
Indeed, the main reason I'm lurking here (oops, guess I'm not just
lurking anymore :-) is the hope that I'll notice when we reach the
point of having a sufficient Free(libre) java environment, because
of the rejoicing here... in the meantime (especially as I do more
systems programming for which
> > As a systems software
> > writer you can't choose what to provide, you have to provide what people
> > are using and want.
>
> I am sorry but this is plainly wrong. Debian is running on volunteer time
> and,
> yes, we choose what to provide, and we choose to concentrate on free software.
GN
Indeed, the main reason I'm lurking here (oops, guess I'm not just
lurking anymore :-) is the hope that I'll notice when we reach the
point of having a sufficient Free(libre) java environment, because
of the rejoicing here... in the meantime (especially as I do more
systems programming for which
> > As a systems software
> > writer you can't choose what to provide, you have to provide what people
> > are using and want.
>
> I am sorry but this is plainly wrong. Debian is running on volunteer time and,
> yes, we choose what to provide, and we choose to concentrate on free software.
GNU/
On Saturday 8 July 2000, at 21 h 26,
the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a systems software
> writer you can't choose what to provide, you have to provide what people
> are using and want.
I am sorry but this is plainly wrong. Debian is running on volunteer time and,
yes
On Saturday 8 July 2000, at 21 h 26,
the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a systems software
> writer you can't choose what to provide, you have to provide what people
> are using and want.
I am sorry but this is plainly wrong. Debian is running on volunteer time and,
ye
> On Saturday 1 July 2000, at 1 h 18,
> the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution
> ...
> > > then we should stop working with Java and start encouraging
> > > people to switch to another language.
> >
> > Java has suc
> On Saturday 1 July 2000, at 1 h 18,
> the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution
> ...
> > > then we should stop working with Java and start encouraging
> > > people to switch to another language.
> >
> > Java has su
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 09:52:09AM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> First, it is not clear whether the license has any legal meaning at all.
> It is publicly available documentation, and I don't know how they
> could legally restrict someone from using it to build a clean-room
> implementation. I.e. ar
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 09:52:09AM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> First, it is not clear whether the license has any legal meaning at all.
> It is publicly available documentation, and I don't know how they
> could legally restrict someone from using it to build a clean-room
> implementation. I.e. a
"Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:00:18PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> > The license for the documentation is:
> > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/relnotes/SMICopyright.html
> > Now that license does have some problems, but that is another discu
"Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:00:18PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> > The license for the documentation is:
> > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/relnotes/SMICopyright.html
> > Now that license does have some problems, but that is another disc
On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:00:18PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> The license for the documentation is:
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/relnotes/SMICopyright.html
> Now that license does have some problems, but that is another discussion.
Well, even that isn't particularly clear.
First,
On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:00:18PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote:
> The license for the documentation is:
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/relnotes/SMICopyright.html
> Now that license does have some problems, but that is another discussion.
Well, even that isn't particularly clear.
First,
On Tuesday 4 July 2000, at 23 h 0,
the keyboard of Per Bothner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems like it will take a while to stamp out this misunderstanding ...
...
> However, the *documentation* of JDK 1.3 (including Swing) is *not*
> under the SCSL and it specifically *does* permit indepen
On Tuesday 4 July 2000, at 23 h 0,
the keyboard of Per Bothner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems like it will take a while to stamp out this misunderstanding ...
...
> However, the *documentation* of JDK 1.3 (including Swing) is *not*
> under the SCSL and it specifically *does* permit indepe
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> WRONG! Recent stuff like JINI or Swing is under the Sun Community Source Code
> Licence which FORBIDS independent implementation (under a possibly free
> licence).
It seems like it will take a while to stamp out this misunderstanding ...
The JI
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> WRONG! Recent stuff like JINI or Swing is under the Sun Community Source Code
> Licence which FORBIDS independent implementation (under a possibly free
> licence).
It seems like it will take a while to stamp out this misunderstanding ...
The J
While I am not a communist I do have to agree with Stephane. The point
with Debian is to build a system that is not hamstrung by intellectual
property law. If you do not agree with that goal then complaining that
Debian cannot do this or that is a waste of both your time and ours.
I will happily t
While I am not a communist I do have to agree with Stephane. The point
with Debian is to build a system that is not hamstrung by intellectual
property law. If you do not agree with that goal then complaining that
Debian cannot do this or that is a waste of both your time and ours.
I will happily
On Friday 30 June 2000, at 15 h 13,
the keyboard of "C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good for you. But some people need or *want* to use software that
> isn't ``free'' (as in speech).
I don't pretend I will force them to be free. I'm not trying to stop them (I
cannot). I just say
On Saturday 1 July 2000, at 1 h 18,
the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution
...
> > then we should stop working with Java and start encouraging
> > people to switch to another language.
>
> Java has such massive support,
On Friday 30 June 2000, at 15 h 13,
the keyboard of "C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good for you. But some people need or *want* to use software that
> isn't ``free'' (as in speech).
I don't pretend I will force them to be free. I'm not trying to stop them (I
cannot). I just sa
On Saturday 1 July 2000, at 1 h 18,
the keyboard of John Leuner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution
...
> > then we should stop working with Java and start encouraging
> > people to switch to another language.
>
> Java has such massive support
"SB" == Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Me" == C.M. Connelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Me> Following your suggestion, I took a look at Kaffe's Web site
Me> and downloaded the source tar file.
SB> There is no need to do so. Since there is a Debian package,
SB> 'apt-get install kaff
> > That means that presenting Kaffe as a free alternative to the
> > Sun/Blackdown JDK on PowerPC is a false lead --
>
> I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution (which means a real
> and
> workable one, on all platforms, and without segmentation faults at every
> opportunity),
"SB" == Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Me" == C.M. Connelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Me> Following your suggestion, I took a look at Kaffe's Web site
Me> and downloaded the source tar file.
SB> There is no need to do so. Since there is a Debian package,
SB> 'apt-get install kaf
> > That means that presenting Kaffe as a free alternative to the
> > Sun/Blackdown JDK on PowerPC is a false lead --
>
> I would rephrase it: if there is no Free Java solution (which means a real and
> workable one, on all platforms, and without segmentation faults at every
> opportunity), th
On Friday 30 June 2000, at 8 h 29,
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 3. Compilability. Kaffe simply doesn't build on PowerPC Linux
> >systems
>
> I wasn't aware of this problem (I didn't try kaffe on PowerPC). You should
> report this as a bug and an important one.
kaffe
On Thursday 29 June 2000, at 14 h 11,
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Following your suggestion, I took a look at Kaffe's Web site and
> downloaded the source tar file.
There is no need to do so. Since there is a Debian package, 'apt-get install
kaffe' should suffice. But:
> 1. C
On Friday 30 June 2000, at 8 h 29,
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 3. Compilability. Kaffe simply doesn't build on PowerPC Linux
> >systems
>
> I wasn't aware of this problem (I didn't try kaffe on PowerPC). You should
> report this as a bug and an important one.
kaff
On Thursday 29 June 2000, at 14 h 11,
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Following your suggestion, I took a look at Kaffe's Web site and
> downloaded the source tar file.
There is no need to do so. Since there is a Debian package, 'apt-get install
kaffe' should suffice. But:
> 1.
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