Re: [Finalizing] Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-30 Thread Niels Thykier
tony mancill wrote: > Niels Thykier wrote: > >> Change 3: >> - >> Finally doc packages were set to a Recommends rather than a Depends. The >> exact wording was changed to: > >> The API &must; be place in a separate doc package. This package >> &must; recommend the doc packages i

Re: [Finalizing] Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-30 Thread tony mancill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Niels Thykier wrote: > Change 3: > - > Finally doc packages were set to a Recommends rather than a Depends. The > exact wording was changed to: > > The API &must; be place in a separate doc package. This package > &must; recommend

[Finalizing] Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-30 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi I have just applied and committed the patches to the SVN with the following changes. Change 1: - Corrected typo reported by Pablo Duboue in the gcj patch (Message ID <201003300143.06669.pablo.dub...@gmail.com>). Change 2: - The parts about tests were rephrased to: Programs

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-29 Thread Pablo Duboue
On Sunday 28 March 2010, Niels Thykier wrote: > Hi > > I just had a conversation with Damien Raude-Morvan and Matthew Johnson > about the strict dependencies between javadoc packages. We considered > lowering the requirement from a Depends to a Recommends. > > The rationale is that the javadoc is

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-28 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi I just had a conversation with Damien Raude-Morvan and Matthew Johnson about the strict dependencies between javadoc packages. We considered lowering the requirement from a Depends to a Recommends. The rationale is that the javadoc is functional even without the docs it links too and it allows

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-28 Thread Niels Thykier
Damien Raude-Morvan wrote: > Hi Niels, > > Le vendredi 26 mars 2010 22:15:18, Niels Thykier a écrit : >> How do these suggestions sound? > [...] >> Programs and libraries &should; enable JUnit tests, >> if these are present. The build &may; ignore test >> failures. > > This one is fine for

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi, Niels Thykier wrote: Eric Lavarde wrote: Vincent Fourmond wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Eric Lavarde wrote: one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime where X < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less than java6? Package: gcj-

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Niels Thykier
Niels Thykier wrote: > I will just give a quick summery, in case you lost the overview of this > debate. > > Currently there are three patches active: > * p1_trival_changes.patch Applied and committed to the SVN. > * p2_fosdem06_r3.patch No change here (yet). The JUnit phrase needs to be modi

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Hi Niels, Le vendredi 26 mars 2010 22:15:18, Niels Thykier a écrit : > How do these suggestions sound? [...] > Programs and libraries &should; enable JUnit tests, > if these are present. The build &may; ignore test > failures. This one is fine for me. -- Damien Raude-Morvan - http://www.d

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Niels Thykier
Vincent Fourmond wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Matthew Johnson wrote: >>> I think we are missing the point here; for instance, I've mostly >>> disabled junit tests because they depend on not-yet-packaged or even >>> non-DFSG-free libraries. I think both formulations are too oriented

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Niels Thykier
Eric Lavarde wrote: > Vincent Fourmond wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Eric Lavarde wrote: >>> one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime >>> where X >>> < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less than >>> java6? >> >> Package: gcj-4.4-j

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
Vincent Fourmond wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Eric Lavarde wrote: one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime where X < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less than java6? Package: gcj-4.4-jre Provides: java-runtime, java1-runtime,

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Le vendredi 26 mars 2010 21:21:05, Vincent Fourmond a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Eric Lavarde wrote: > > one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime where > > X < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less > > than java6? > > Package:

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Vincent Fourmond
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Eric Lavarde wrote: > one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime where X > < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less than > java6? Package: gcj-4.4-jre Provides: java-runtime, java1-runtime, java2-runtime, java5-r

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi, one more thing: we could actually also get rid of all javaX-runtime where X < 6, or is there any package left in Debian that provides only less than java6? Backport might be a concern, but then sun-java5 is not present in older versions than sun-java6, so... Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hello, Matthew Johnson wrote: But, from your patches, I understand that javaX-runtime survives and that we add default-jre/jdk (default-j) into the picture, which, depending on the platform, provides either cp-j or java-j, because they pull gcj-j or openjdk-j. IMO javaX-runtime should be

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Mar 26 13:09, Thomas Koch wrote: > There are two questions I had about Debian-Java unit tests and which I > propose > to answer in the policy: > > - Is there any time limit, how long unit test suites may take? Not specifically, but it's considered bad form if it's the majority of the bu

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Thomas Koch
There are two questions I had about Debian-Java unit tests and which I propose to answer in the policy: - Is there any time limit, how long unit test suites may take? - Is there anything I've to take care of, what a unit test may not do on a build server? Like accessing the internet, connectin

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Vincent Fourmond
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Matthew Johnson wrote: >>   I think we are missing the point here; for instance, I've mostly >> disabled junit tests because they depend on not-yet-packaged or even >> non-DFSG-free libraries. I think both formulations are too oriented >> towards: "junit tests sho

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Mar 26 11:24, Vincent Fourmond wrote: > >  Programs and libraries &should; enable JUnit tests, if these are present. > >  *However, these tests &should; not lead to build failures unless > > Maintainer is confident enough that tests are stable between builds* > > I think we are missing th

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Vincent Fourmond
Hello, On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Damien Raude-Morvan wrote: >  Programs and libraries &should; enable JUnit tests, if these are present. >  *However, these tests &mustnot; lead to build failures.* > > For some library packages (ie. commons-maths), I'm confidence enough to > enable unit

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Hi, On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:32:50 +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: > Currently there are three patches active: > * p1_trival_changes.patch > * p2_fosdem06_r3.patch > * p3_fosdem06-gcj.patch I'm OK with all three patches, except one small addition from "p2_fosdem06_r3.patch" : Programs and librari

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Mar 26 09:42, Eric Lavarde wrote: > Hi Niels, > > I have some problems to understand the resulting document, not knowing > what the baseline is, but after reading through the patches, I think > that the new policy doesn't address the main problem which is the fact > that we have 2 inco

Re: [Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi Niels, I have some problems to understand the resulting document, not knowing what the baseline is, but after reading through the patches, I think that the new policy doesn't address the main problem which is the fact that we have 2 incompatible runtime (and compiling/building) environment

[Summery] Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-25 Thread Niels Thykier
I will just give a quick summery, in case you lost the overview of this debate. Currently there are three patches active: * p1_trival_changes.patch * p2_fosdem06_r3.patch * p3_fosdem06-gcj.patch I just noticed that my email client have behaved weirdly when I sent the last two and have made all

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-24 Thread Niels Thykier
Matthias Klose wrote: > On 23.03.2010 10:26, Niels Thykier wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to >> apply Friday assuming there are no objections. > > mentioning default-jdk-doc would be useful. > > It is mentioned once: Java library packa

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-24 Thread Niels Thykier
I have decided to extract the GCJ part into its own patch. I have created an interdiff between the last and the current version of the fosdem06 patch. I would have made an interdiff for the GCJ part as well, but it failed. Matthias Klose wrote: > On 23.03.2010 11:54, Niels Thykier wrote: >> Sylves

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.03.2010 11:54, Niels Thykier wrote: Sylvestre Ledru wrote: Le mardi 23 mars 2010 à 10:26 +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : Hi I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to apply Friday assuming there are no objections. Nice work. Glad to see that finally evolving.

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.03.2010 10:26, Niels Thykier wrote: Hi I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to apply Friday assuming there are no objections. mentioning default-jdk-doc would be useful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Le mardi 23 mars 2010 à 11:54 +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : > Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > > Le mardi 23 mars 2010 à 10:26 +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : > >> Hi > >> > >> I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to > >> apply Friday assuming there are no objections. > > Ni

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Niels Thykier
Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > Le mardi 23 mars 2010 à 10:26 +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : >> Hi >> >> I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to >> apply Friday assuming there are no objections. > Nice work. Glad to see that finally evolving. > > Could you just add a few b

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Le mardi 23 mars 2010 à 10:26 +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : > Hi > > I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to > apply Friday assuming there are no objections. Nice work. Glad to see that finally evolving. Could you just add a few bit on the gcj part ? * What it is/

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Mar 23 10:26, Niels Thykier wrote: > I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to > apply Friday assuming there are no objections. FYI I have already approved these two patches on IRC Matt -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Niels Thykier
Niels Thykier wrote: > Hi > > I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to > apply Friday assuming there are no objections. > > p1_trival_changes.patch is a minor fix-up that will remove a duplicate > clause and highlight some "policy" words (should, must etc) in additi

Integrating the FOSDEM 06 Draft into the Java Policy

2010-03-23 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi I have compiled two patches against the current policy that I intend to apply Friday assuming there are no objections. p1_trival_changes.patch is a minor fix-up that will remove a duplicate clause and highlight some "policy" words (should, must etc) in addition to adding me to the author list.