Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-14 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Hi Robert, Some comments with my Maven package maintainer hat. Le 12/02/2019 à 20:09, Robert Scholte a écrit : > I'm also wondering how you build Maven, since Maven is > being built with Maven. That should be a challenge to also rebuild all > plugins, etc. The maven package is rebuilt with the

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-14 Thread Gary Gregory
Jar manifest files carry data like "built-by" and implementation information: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/jar/packageman.html Why not reuse "Implementation-Vendor" or invent a new entry and put "Debian" in there. Maven can display this additional information on "mvn -versio

AW: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-13 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
@lists.debian.org; Matthias Klose Betreff: Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk Am 2019-02-12 um 20:09 schrieb Robert Scholte: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:34:56 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Dalibor Topic (Oracle) and Robert Scholte (Apache Maven) contacted m

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2019-02-12 um 20:09 schrieb Robert Scholte: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:34:56 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: Hello, Dalibor Topic (Oracle) and Robert Scholte (Apache Maven) contacted me and were so kind to agree to make this discussion public, so that others can chime in too. I would like to use

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-13 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hi Markus, On 12.02.2019 12:34, Markus Koschany wrote: Regarding javadoc generation we would like to see an option that basically reverts to pre OpenJDK8 and simply is less strict than the current implementation. Unfortunately, we don't plan to go back to the pre-Java 8 Javadoc implementatio

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-13 Thread Markus Koschany
Hi Robert, Am 12.02.19 um 20:09 schrieb Robert Scholte: [...] > Hi Markus, > > first of all thanks for the insights, it is important for us to know how > Maven is used and in which way we can improve that way-of-work. Hervé is > already working hard on the reproducible builds specs with your team

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-12 Thread Robert Scholte
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:34:56 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: Hello, Dalibor Topic (Oracle) and Robert Scholte (Apache Maven) contacted me and were so kind to agree to make this discussion public, so that others can chime in too. I would like to use the opportunity to answer the initial question

Fwd: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-12 Thread Markus Koschany
Hello, Dalibor Topic (Oracle) and Robert Scholte (Apache Maven) contacted me and were so kind to agree to make this discussion public, so that others can chime in too. I would like to use the opportunity to answer the initial question "what we are interested in seeing better supported from build t

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-06 Thread Markus Koschany
Hi, I'm still recovering from the infamous conference flu but I wanted to give you a short report about the talk and the discussions afterwards. You can find all the relevant links here. [1] While I was going through all the stuff we talked about, I realized that I would easily exceed my time li

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 01.02.19 um 23:53 schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: > Le 01/02/2019 à 22:41, Markus Koschany a écrit : > >> It is not very important but if you have some spare time in the next month >> we could figure this out and create some sort of statistics page like >> >> https://blends.debian.org/games/maintstats

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 01/02/2019 à 22:41, Markus Koschany a écrit : > It is not very important but if you have some spare time in the next month > we could figure this out and create some sort of statistics page like > > https://blends.debian.org/games/maintstats/ > > just with more information and for fun. The s

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 01/02/2019 à 22:46, Markus Koschany a écrit : > What numbers do we have if you include the libraries too? These numbers include the libraries (but they weren't listed above). > Hmm. Why is this different from > > https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-java-maintainers%40lists.alioth.

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 01.02.19 um 21:39 schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: > Le 01/02/2019 à 14:28, Emmanuel Bourg a écrit : Great. Thanks! > Total packages added to testing: 179 > Total packages removed from testing: 95 > Total packages updated in testing: 291 > Total packages upgraded in testing: 283 What numbers do we h

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Markus Koschany
Hi! Am 01.02.19 um 14:28 schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: > Hi Markus, > > Le 29/01/2019 à 19:00, Markus Koschany a écrit : > >> I will attend FOSDEM 19 in Brussels this weekend (03.02.2019, 12:40 >> local time) and give a lightning talk (15 min) about our heroics. >> >> https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 01/02/2019 à 14:28, Emmanuel Bourg a écrit : > I have a script that compares the packages between two releases but I > haven't published it yet. I'll run it and post the result for the > stretch/testing differences. Here is the summary for the stretch -> testing changes (the libraries are not

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Hi Markus, Le 29/01/2019 à 19:00, Markus Koschany a écrit : > I will attend FOSDEM 19 in Brussels this weekend (03.02.2019, 12:40 > local time) and give a lightning talk (15 min) about our heroics. > > https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/debian_java/ Thanks a lot for holding that talk. I won

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-02-01 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Emmanuel Bourg: > Le 30/01/2019 à 22:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : > >> I thought it was worth a blog post too, as a follow up to your talk: >> https://salsa.debian.org/publicity-team/bits/merge_requests/16 > > Nice, remember the Java Team also has its own blog [1], that might be > nice

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-01-30 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 30/01/2019 à 22:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : > I thought it was worth a blog post too, as a follow up to your talk: > https://salsa.debian.org/publicity-team/bits/merge_requests/16 Nice, remember the Java Team also has its own blog [1], that might be nice to announce the FOSDEM talk th

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-01-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Markus Koschany: > > > Am 30.01.19 um 11:10 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: >> >> Great that you are giving that talk! I think the Java Team's work is >> generally under-appreciated, so getting the word out should help with >> that. Here's what I would add: >> >> I think one thing to mention

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-01-30 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 30.01.19 um 11:10 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: > > Great that you are giving that talk! I think the Java Team's work is > generally under-appreciated, so getting the word out should help with > that. Here's what I would add: > > I think one thing to mention is how the Debian Java Team h

Re: FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-01-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Great that you are giving that talk! I think the Java Team's work is generally under-appreciated, so getting the word out should help with that. Here's what I would add: I think one thing to mention is how the Debian Java Team has to consistently fight the Java standard practice of bundling al

FOSDEM 19 Debian Java talk

2019-01-29 Thread Markus Koschany
Hi all, I will attend FOSDEM 19 in Brussels this weekend (03.02.2019, 12:40 local time) and give a lightning talk (15 min) about our heroics. https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/debian_java/ Naturally there is not enough time to explain everything in detail but it should be adequate to put ou