Re: libbsf-java

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:36:17AM +0100, Wolfgang Baer wrote: > Michael Koch wrote: > >Hi all, > >Who works on libbsf-java. The MovingToMain page [1] says it has an issue > >with using the class sun.tools.javac.Main. Can we use the fix from > >upstream CVS and add it as patch to this package? > >W

Re: libbsf-java

2005-03-15 Thread Wolfgang Baer
Michael Koch wrote: Hi all, Who works on libbsf-java. The MovingToMain page [1] says it has an issue with using the class sun.tools.javac.Main. Can we use the fix from upstream CVS and add it as patch to this package? When this issue is solved libxalan2-java nad libbsf-java can ve uploaded to main.

libbsf-java

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
Hi all, Who works on libbsf-java. The MovingToMain page [1] says it has an issue with using the class sun.tools.javac.Main. Can we use the fix from upstream CVS and add it as patch to this package? When this issue is solved libxalan2-java nad libbsf-java can ve uploaded to main. bcel is already

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Barry" == Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Barry> It must be underscored that this is a _potential_ speed gain. We Barry> actually are not certain what speed gains, if any, we will have. There's a fair amount of benchmarking data out there: http://klomp.org/mark/free-vm-benchmar

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:30:33PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Tuesday 15 March 2005 14:10, Michael Koch wrote: > > > Hmmm, the idea has its merits. Implementationwise, it'd make more sense > > > to have $lib-jbi Build-Depend on $lib-java. The $lib-jbi would have to be > > > a sperate source,

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 14:10, Michael Koch wrote: > > Hmmm, the idea has its merits. Implementationwise, it'd make more sense > > to have $lib-jbi Build-Depend on $lib-java. The $lib-jbi would have to be > > a sperate source, but I imagine that cuold be a very small standard > > template, which f

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wolfgang Baer wrote: [...] | Are there any tests done in the past for the gain against jit or | interpretative mode ? | | Otherwise I think some testcases would be very good here: | | How much gain does it bring for architectures (like i386) - where | a

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:06:45PM +0100, Wolfgang Baer wrote: > Michael Koch wrote: > [...] > >You are right, its not always a gain. Tom Tromey told me that he is > >aware of one case where the native library is slower then interpreting > >the jar. > >Doing (c) and fixing JIT runtimes can be good,

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Wolfgang Baer
Michael Koch wrote: [...] You are right, its not always a gain. Tom Tromey told me that he is aware of one case where the native library is slower then interpreting the jar. Doing (c) and fixing JIT runtimes can be good, but it ist a hard work too. The Kaffe people put much efforts into this. JIT w

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:24:30AM -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jerry Haltom wrote: > [...] > | The main > | motivation for this is speed. There is no JIT overhead involved and it > | runs native, not interpreted. It is worth noting that the Kaf

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jerry Haltom wrote: [...] | The main | motivation for this is speed. There is no JIT overhead involved and it | runs native, not interpreted. It is worth noting that the Kaffe folks | want to integrate support for this binary interface into Kaffe. It mu

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Jamie Jones
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 14:14 +0100, Michael Koch wrote: I'm just an end user, but I'd like to share my thoughts on the package naming. > > I would like to name the secondary native packages with a -jbi prefix > > (Java Binary Interface). Some people like the name -bcabi because that > > is what th

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Koch wrote: | On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 01:13:23PM -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: [...] |>I would like to name the secondary native packages with a -jbi prefix |>(Java Binary Interface). Some people like the name -bcabi because that |>is what the GCJ

Re: Javadoc policy

2005-03-15 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Koch wrote: | On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:26:55PM +0100, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: | |>Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:43:55 -0600, |>Jerry Haltom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> |> |>>On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 00:28 -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote: [...] |>>Yes definitely

Re: Experimenting with building libxalan2-java with free vm's

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:13:14PM +0100, Wolfgang Baer wrote: > Hi all, > > libxalan2-java is the main blocker atm for moving several java packages > to main - I therefore started experimenting with compiling it with the > free tools. > > Although I almost had success - there are some problems l

Re: Javadoc policy

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:08:56PM -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > I had a bright idea for our Java policy which I want to discuss: > installing all javadoc in a centralized location and linking it > together. > > What this would do is let a user pop open a web browser and see javadoc > for every pag

Re: Javadoc policy

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:26:55PM +0100, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:43:55 -0600, > Jerry Haltom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 00:28 -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote: > >> Jerry Haltom wrote: > >> | I had a bright idea for our Java policy which I want to discu

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 01:13:23PM -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > Attention Java Maintainers: This Effects You > > > This is a recap of an ad-hoc discussion a number of Java maintainers had > a few minutes ago in #debian-java concerning our direction with regards > to including native GCJ compiled

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:13:44AM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2005 22:05, Wolfgang Baer wrote: > > But just for discussion - wouldn't there be a third possibility ? > > (Sorry if this is a stupid question !). > > > > What about a creating a second source package which build-de

Experimenting with building libxalan2-java with free vm's

2005-03-15 Thread Wolfgang Baer
Hi all, libxalan2-java is the main blocker atm for moving several java packages to main - I therefore started experimenting with compiling it with the free tools. Although I almost had success - there are some problems left. Maybe one of you has an idea. The main problem is that libxalan2-java need

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Sunday 13 March 2005 22:05, Wolfgang Baer wrote: > But just for discussion - wouldn't there be a third possibility ? > (Sorry if this is a stupid question !). > > What about a creating a second source package which build-depends > on the java source package to produce the native binary. This wou