Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Andreas John
Hello Adrian! NAT is only working with IPs "directly connected" to your ethernet card. or NAT-ed IPs not arbitrary ones. Or? rgds, j. Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Monday 14 June 2004 14.59, Gavin Hamill wrote: Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but i

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Andreas John
Hello Adrian! NAT is only working with IPs "directly connected" to your ethernet card. or NAT-ed IPs not arbitrary ones. Or? rgds, j. Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Monday 14 June 2004 14.59, Gavin Hamill wrote: Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but i

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Monday 14 June 2004 14:57, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > This may be obvious, but not to me... is there any difference compared > to using iptables DNAT? At the time I was using rinetd/netcat to do this kind of work, I didn't know enough about iptables and the SNAT/DNAT pair w

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Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Fraser Campbell
On Monday 14 June 2004 09:57, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > This may be obvious, but not to me... is there any difference compared > to using iptables DNAT? I believe that you'd have some problems if you used DNAT. Think of what happens to a packet coming into your old colo and

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 14 June 2004 14.59, Gavin Hamill wrote: > Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but > it had a few unpleasant 'features' I didn't like (we were using > dynamic DNS with it, so I expect you wouldn't encounter them) > > Once our 'remote points' were static IPs, I s

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Monday 14 June 2004 14:57, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > This may be obvious, but not to me... is there any difference compared > to using iptables DNAT? At the time I was using rinetd/netcat to do this kind of work, I didn't know enough about iptables and the SNAT/DNAT pair w

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Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Fraser Campbell
On Monday 14 June 2004 09:57, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > This may be obvious, but not to me... is there any difference compared > to using iptables DNAT? I believe that you'd have some problems if you used DNAT. Think of what happens to a packet coming into your old colo and

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Monday 14 June 2004 11:16, Andreas John wrote: > Hello! > apt-cache show rinetd > Package: rinetd Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but it had a few unpleasant 'features' I didn't like (we were using dynamic DNS with it, so I expect you wouldn't encounter them)

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 14 June 2004 14.59, Gavin Hamill wrote: > Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but > it had a few unpleasant 'features' I didn't like (we were using > dynamic DNS with it, so I expect you wouldn't encounter them) > > Once our 'remote points' were static IPs, I s

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Pete Templin
I've added comments inline... Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: We are going to physically move our boxes, but for the dns the process will amount to the same thing. So here is what we'll do: - Lower the ttl on all zones three days before the move Lower the TTL on all zones OR INDIVIDUAL A RECORDS at least

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Andreas John
Hello! The "DNS Trick" should do it. Instead of "internal" E-Mail Forwarding of ricochet E-Mails I think about some kind of port-based forwarding. By random I ran accross "rinetd" package. apt-cache show rinetd Package: rinetd Description: Internet TCP redirection server rinetd redirects T

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Brad
I still have an uneasy feeling about dns caches out there that may keep serving the old ip addresses to their users _without_ ever consulting our dns servers. But I guess I could use a http proxy on the remaining dns box to forward http traffic for a while, which would take care of that part. T

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Monday 14 June 2004 11:16, Andreas John wrote: > Hello! > apt-cache show rinetd > Package: rinetd Yep, rinetd is a simple userspace proxy. I used it for a while, but it had a few unpleasant 'features' I didn't like (we were using dynamic DNS with it, so I expect you wouldn't encounter them)

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Jason, Brad, thanks for the reassurance. Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: > In the past I witnessed such a move, and there were a lot of problems > with the DNS. As it turned out, many DNS servers out there kept caching > the old ip addresses for over 3 days, causing a lot of connection issues This is mos

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Pete Templin
I've added comments inline... Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: We are going to physically move our boxes, but for the dns the process will amount to the same thing. So here is what we'll do: - Lower the ttl on all zones three days before the move Lower the TTL on all zones OR INDIVIDUAL A RECORDS at least

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Andreas John
Hello! The "DNS Trick" should do it. Instead of "internal" E-Mail Forwarding of ricochet E-Mails I think about some kind of port-based forwarding. By random I ran accross "rinetd" package. apt-cache show rinetd Package: rinetd Description: Internet TCP redirection server rinetd redirects T

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Brad
Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: > In the past I witnessed such a move, and there were a lot of problems > with the DNS. As it turned out, many DNS servers out there kept caching > the old ip addresses for over 3 days, causing a lot of connection issues This is most often due to the old authoritive servers c

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Lim
The biggest problem you will have is with the DNS. Set 1 of the DNS servers to the new IP, and keep 1 behind. Make sure the TTL is low... very low. Then, make sure the new DNS server on the new IP address is up and running with the old DNS server on the old IP (if possible), so at all times ther

how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Hello all, I'm looking for some practical advice on moving servers from one colocation to another. In a couple of weeks, we need to move our servers to a different colocation, which means all the ip addresses will change. The servers are running regular stuff: web, mail, ftp, and two dns servers

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Brad
I still have an uneasy feeling about dns caches out there that may keep serving the old ip addresses to their users _without_ ever consulting our dns servers. But I guess I could use a http proxy on the remaining dns box to forward http traffic for a while, which would take care of that part. T

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Jason, Brad, thanks for the reassurance. Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: > In the past I witnessed such a move, and there were a lot of problems > with the DNS. As it turned out, many DNS servers out there kept caching > the old ip addresses for over 3 days, causing a lot of connection issues This is mos

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Brad
Rhesa Rozendaal wrote: > In the past I witnessed such a move, and there were a lot of problems > with the DNS. As it turned out, many DNS servers out there kept caching > the old ip addresses for over 3 days, causing a lot of connection issues This is most often due to the old authoritive servers c

Re: how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Lim
The biggest problem you will have is with the DNS. Set 1 of the DNS servers to the new IP, and keep 1 behind. Make sure the TTL is low... very low. Then, make sure the new DNS server on the new IP address is up and running with the old DNS server on the old IP (if possible), so at all times ther

how to relocate servers transparently

2004-06-14 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Hello all, I'm looking for some practical advice on moving servers from one colocation to another. In a couple of weeks, we need to move our servers to a different colocation, which means all the ip addresses will change. The servers are running regular stuff: web, mail, ftp, and two dns servers