MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Now, if there are people like that who are not DD's, the
>> question we must ask, is wjy are they not DD's? If they are putting
>> in the work, and have the same commitment as a DD does, even if they
>> do not
On 4/5/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can someone who is not a package maintainer become a
> developer, if becoming a developer requires being a maintainer?
Not quite, if you contribue to different areas with your effort, you
can bexom a DD, see NM page.
--
Regards,
EddyP
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On Wednesday 05 April 2006 08:27, MJ Ray wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Now, if there are people like that who are not DD's, the
> > question we must ask, is wjy are they not DD's? If they are putting
> > in the work, and have the same commitment as a DD does, even i
How can someone who is not a package maintainer become a
developer, if becoming a developer requires being a maintainer?
The 'Maintainer' in NM is a misnomer, I understand it is possible
to go
through NM as a translator or documentation writer.
How many non-maintainers are actually official
JC Helary wrote:
How many non-maintainers are actually official developers ?
There are some. I don't know the numbers.
Considering the huge contribution from translation/documentation groups,
if they are under-represented in the developer group it means there is a
problem.
My guess is that
On 2006/04/05, at 18:15, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
JC Helary wrote:
How many non-maintainers are actually official developers ?
There are some. I don't know the numbers.
Considering the huge contribution from translation/documentation
groups, if they are under-represented in the devel
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:09, JC Helary wrote:
> >> How can someone who is not a package maintainer become a
> >> developer, if becoming a developer requires being a maintainer?
> >
> > The 'Maintainer' in NM is a misnomer, I understand it is possible
> > to go
> > through NM as a translator or
Considering the huge contribution from translation/documentation
groups, if they are under-represented in the developer group it means
there is a problem.
I don't know, I do know that even though I've been doing
translations for
over 3 years I still haven't bothered with NM as I didn't need th
On 4/5/06, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:09, JC Helary wrote:
> > How many non-maintainers are actually official developers ?
> > I think that is the question.
Frans Pop has became a DD without having any package in Debian, but he
had several
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote:
> On 2006/04/05, at 18:15, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> And they won't apply, specifically because in the same document it is
>
> written:
> > Some ways of contributing (translating, writing documentation and
> > reporting bugs) can be done by e
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 12:08, JC Helary wrote:
> >> Considering the huge contribution from translation/documentation
> >> groups, if they are under-represented in the developer group it means
> >> there is a problem.
> >
> > I don't know, I do know that even though I've been doing
> > translati
On 2006/04/05, at 19:27, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
(besides for the very condescending "can be done by everyone", as if
maintaining a package required such very specific skills that "not
everyone can acquire"...)
ok, it think it's fair to say that this definately is _not_ meant
to be
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote:
> There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having
> technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights.
I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get the
developer status, don't get together and
Proposed path from here:
1) work on improving the wording and documentation of the NM
process so as
to make it even more clearer that non-maintainers can become
DD's and
what the T&S requirements are for the different contributor
categories
Remove all references to "developer" and re
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 12:53, JC Helary wrote:
> On 2006/04/05, at 19:27, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > explicitly naming translations as an accepted form of earlier
> > contributions.
>
> Sure, then what would a translator/developer do with full upload
> rights ?
a translator would be
Hi,
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 12:13, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
> As a side note, I have asked for a debian aimed project to be created
> on alioth and was refused with the reason that I wasn't a DD, nor
> maintainer of any existing package in the archive. I find this very
> disturbing and I was forced
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:09, JC Helary wrote:
> > Proposed path from here:
> > 1) work on improving the wording and documentation of the NM
> > process so as
> >to make it even more clearer that non-maintainers can become
> > DD's and
> >what the T&S requirements are for the different
On 2006/04/05, at 20:02, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote:
There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having
technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights.
I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get t
Adding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please trim the recipient list as appropriate.
I wrote:
My guess is that not enough non-maintainers apply for developership
(possibly due to a widespread mistaken belief that the NM process is
just for maintainers).
JC Helary wrote:
It is not a mistaken belief, it di
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:09, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> It's undoubtfully a good idea to grant things like uploading rights only
> to DD's that actually need it. But as long as it's possible for
> documentation writers/translators and the like to become DD's it's not
> in itself the
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:14, JC Helary wrote:
> I am not sure what point you are trying to make ?
The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like translators are waiting
for the mountain to come to them (change procedures, make entry easier).
It does not work like that: you have to go to
On 2006/04/05, at 20:37, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
JC Helary wrote:
It is not a mistaken belief, it directly comes from:
http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint
It is a mistaken belief. That page is just poorly worded in this
regard, if it makes you believe otherwise.
Poorly worded
On 2006/04/05, at 20:53, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:14, JC Helary wrote:
I am not sure what point you are trying to make ?
The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like translators are
waiting
for the mountain to come to them (change procedures, make entry
easier)
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:02, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote:
> > There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having
> > technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights.
>
> I seriously do wonder why translators, if they real
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:27, JC Helary wrote:
> Besides, the systematic use of "developer" is also confusing and to
> clarify things should be replaced my "member" as is also hinted in
> the same document.
You cannot change the word "developer" to "member" without changing the
Debian Constit
On 2006/04/05, at 21:53, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:27, JC Helary wrote:
Besides, the systematic use of "developer" is also confusing and to
clarify things should be replaced my "member" as is also hinted in
the same document.
You cannot change the word "developer" to "mem
On 4/5/06, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 12:13, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
> > As a side note, I have asked for a debian aimed project to be created
> > on alioth and was refused with the reason that I wasn't a DD, nor
> > maintainer of any existing package
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:14:50PM +0900, JC Helary wrote:
>
> On 2006/04/05, at 20:37, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
>
> >JC Helary wrote:
> >>It is not a mistaken belief, it directly comes from:
> >>http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint
> >
> >It is a mistaken belief. That page is just poor
It is a mistaken belief. That page is just poorly worded in this
regard, if it makes you believe otherwise.
Poorly worded or not it is a status page. If the status does not mean
what it reads then it must be reworded.
Well, yeah, that's exactly what Antti-Juhani is saying.
No, he is saying t
Hi debian-i18n,
recently arno-iptables-firewall was uploaded to the Debian archive
for the first time. This is a package that aims to provide a very easy
firewall setup for a wide range of common network configurations.
http://packages.debian.org/arno-iptables-firewall
The intended audience are
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006, JC Helary wrote:
> >Well, yeah, that's exactly what Antti-Juhani is saying.
>
> No, he is saying that even though the page is poorly worded the
> meaning should be clear enough. That is obviously not the case.
No, he's telling you what it is trying to say, not whether or not
Hi,
Here is a review.
I tried to fix some English typos. I'm not a native speaker. In case of
doubt, I recommend to keep your version ;)
I've also added some comments (so this patch may not be meant to be
applied as is).
A question regarding the English supremacy:
Should a centralised L10N inf
On 05/04/2006, at 8:32 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get the
developer status, don't get together and just apply for NM. That would
force the project to develop a strategy to deal with it (if there
really
is something that needs to be deal
Clytie forwarded me this announcement from the KDE l10n people but It
really should have gone to debian-i18n
Anyone in the wild with enough courage/motivation to grab the
utilities and try building a demo site targeted at Debian use?
Here, we're talking about real free software (hint hint)thi
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The 'Maintainer' in NM is a misnomer, I understand it is possible to go
> through NM as a translator or documentation writer.
I also had replies from Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt and Eddy PetriÅor
saying similar things. The first two paragraphs of the
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:14, JC Helary wrote:
> On 2006/04/05, at 20:37, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > JC Helary wrote:
> >> It is not a mistaken belief, it directly comes from:
> >> http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint
> >
> > It is a mistaken belief. That page is just poorly worded
On 2006/04/06, at 15:27, MJ Ray wrote:
We've thoroughly queered the pitch now, but how many translators
or documenters believed they could go through NM?
I think what matters more than the process itself is what Clytie just
wrote:
The point is, Frans, since I started this discussion, that
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