Re: Kernel version 100

2004-10-26 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:15, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > > Just curious: any particular reason why the kernel version is > > > reported as "100" on > > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages? > > > > > > kernel-image-2.6-386 (100) > > >     Linux kernel im

Re: Which 2.6 kernel for Sarge on a Via C3?

2004-11-12 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Ron Johnson may or may not have written... > > [snip] > > But really, does the kernel use MMX? > > Here, at least: linux/arch/i386/lib/memcpy.c Which will only be used for CyrixIII and K7, and boils down to: config MCYRIXIII bool "CyrixIII/VIA-C3"

Re: New method for Packages/Sources file updates

2004-12-01 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [snip] > >> With cumulative patches you run into the problem that you need a new > >> cummulative patch for every day that contains most of what the > >> previous one did. That realy quickly becomes a space issue. > > > > Errm, no, it doesn't need _one_ new cumulative pa

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-01 Thread Thiemo Seufer
William Ballard wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:25:36AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > The Christian Bible ought to be OK by most Islamic scholars - it's the > > Crusader history that has caused most of the problems - but you > > After 9/11 I saw a fellow named Tariq Ramadan on C-Span, an

Re: New method for Packages/Sources file updates

2004-12-02 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [snip] > >> very hard (figure out how to make a minimal diff > >> from the daylies) or you need every days Packages file (apt-dupdate > >> does that). > > > > It is not "very hard" to re-diff a few files to incorporate the changes > > between old and new Packages file. >

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Andreas Barth: > > >> Is this really a good idea? patch invokes ed(1) to process ed > >> scripts, and this might lead to execution of arbitrary commands. > > > > It is agreed that the usage of patch and ed is _not_ the recommended > > way for production code (but accepta

Re: list what's in the NEW queue?

2005-02-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Frederik Dannemare wrote: [snip] > I surely hope they would still do so. Another option could simply be to > proceed with the current way of uploading - but then let the buildd > rebuild the uploaded binary. Or is that somehow not feasible? Actually, requiring a binary upload _plus_ rebuilding i

Re: list what's in the NEW queue?

2005-02-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Frederik Dannemare wrote: [snip] > > Always build packages for uploads in a clean environment (a fresh > > chroot if nothing else is available). > > I absolutely agree. But it still doesn't have to be 100% problem-free > (letting buildd build all packages on all archs for distribution would > st

Re: Debug packages cluttering the archive

2005-02-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 08:52:28AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > My feeling for some time has been that we should introduce a separate > > section in the archive, or a separate archive and come up with the > > infrastructure to upload -dbg packages to there, with separat

Re: help needed with mips build failure

2005-02-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Clearly not, or it wouldn't have failed to build on mips and mipsel. There > > is nothing "perfectly working" about that version of libtool, and moreover, > > its effects are not limited to the mips architectures -- as

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 05:21:50PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Also, really huge stuff, like KDE, cannot be uploaded as frequently as > > perhaps the maintainers would like because it kills the slower buildd's > > for a few days. > > Hypothetical daily KDE builds would a

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Thiemo Seufer] > > Those would need to go into experimental, where no buildd problem > > exists by definition. > > I'm told there are some autobuilders for experimental, And how would missing builds there be a problem? > and believe yo

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [snip] > But at the moment, there are very few problems with the autobuilders, > it seem. The packages with missing builds on some archs are listedon > http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/cdbygging/distdiff-all.html.gz>, > and it is not bad compared to earlier. > > Mi

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Brian Nelson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:33:35AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > > But a total of eleven is insane. > > > > It is sometimes hard to get them all to work, yes. > > > > It also vastly increases the qual

Re: Cross-compiling and dist-cc (Was: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]))

2005-02-22 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Paul Hampson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 12:44:27PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 08:48:48PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > > Running such a system in parallel with the current systems (and comparing > > > the outputs) might be a good test for gcc-as-cross-compiler

Re: Cross-compiling and dist-cc (Was: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]))

2005-02-22 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Petri Latvala wrote: [snip] > Also, the first 16 bytes will differ in an ELF format .o, see > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/09/msg00201.html That's incorrect, strictly speaking. The first (magic) bytes have to be identical, only the padding bytes could be different (but are usually zer

Re: amd64 is already the 2nd most important arch (WasRe: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-23 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Joel Aelwyn wrote: [snip] > But that's OK. Our amd64 users just use the Alioth site instead of our > wonderful mirror network, and track it as unstable. I mean, it's so much > more effective to have it all hitting alioth for download, right? Thought > so. You probably should inform yourself before

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Source code is source code. Obfuscated or not does not change that. It > > fullfills at least the letter of DFSG#2. For it to violate DFSG#2 you > > would have to show that it is not source and the gcc already prooves > > y

Re: grass and Packages-arch-specific

2005-03-05 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Halasz wrote: > Hi, > > I've sent a few emails over the last month to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > [EMAIL PROTECTED] requesting that grass be removed from > packages-arch-specific. But my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, or > perhaps overzealous spam filters. Are you guys out there? Is there > any

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: [snip] > > > I had try to randomly submit wishlist bugs for 6 packages to bts with > > > the tag "patch" pointing to the dehs site or attaching the watch file to > > > the bug. > > > Almost all of this bug was closed and the watch file was check (in some > > > cases fix

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Thiemo Seufer in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Do *not* file 6229 bugs about the same subject. Never. > > > > Why not? As wishlist bugs with patch this seems sensible to me. > > I assume that you will hand-check the patches in those 622

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > su, 2005-03-06 kello 19:28 +0100, Thiemo Seufer kirjoitti: > > Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > > > Do *not* file 6229 bugs about the same subject. Never. > > > > Why not? As wishlist bugs with patch this seems sensible to me. > >

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > su, 2005-03-06 kello 20:11 +0100, Thiemo Seufer kirjoitti: > > Since preparation of the accompanying patches would take some time, > > it is unlikely to cause "denial of service" or "disruption". > > If they are sent at a slow

Re: mipsel binutils/gcc/glibc shared library breakage

2005-03-09 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Pjotr Kourzanov wrote: > Dear Debian developers, > > I gather there are some people out there with MIPS little-endian > machines (from mipsel drop discussion) and Debian on it. Do huge shared > libraries (containing >4 symbols) work for you? I am currently > investigating an issue I have

Re: grass and Packages-arch-specific

2005-03-09 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op za, 05-03-2005 te 14:26 +0100, schreef Thiemo Seufer: > > Steve Halasz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've sent a few emails over the last month to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] requesting that grass be

Re: NPTL and static linking

2005-03-10 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Le mercredi 09 mars 2005 à 11:23 -0800, Blunt Jackson a écrit : > >> I appreciate the clarification. What is desirable, then, is for the > >> developer > >> to be able to statically link his or her own libraries, and third > >> party librari

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:10:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > All the work and support over all those years by all those users and porters > > will be vanished with that stupid idea, imho. > > Ingo, obviously you are pissed off. But really, is there much benefit i

Re: Edge and multi-arch (was Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Martin Michlmayr wrote: [snip] > - a _clear_ plan about this migration (and have this plan before > sarge is out), including a clear timeplan (announcement on day X, > maintainers have Y months to upload, if they don't do it in Y > months, we'll have a time of Z people who'll NMU the

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:06:18PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > * Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-14 23:00]: > > > But really, is there much benefit in making *releases* for the SCC > > > architectures? > > > > For some SSC arches, it *might* not make a di

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:06:18PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > * Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-14 23:00]: > > > > But really, is there much benefit in making *releases* for the SCC > >

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:10:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > > > All the work and support over all those years by all those users and &

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > This change has superseded the previous SCC (second-class citizen > architecture) plan that had already been proposed to reduce the amount of > data Debian mirrors are required to carry; prior to the release of sarge, > the ftpmasters plan to bring scc.debian.org on-l

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
John Goerzen wrote: [snip] > > - the release architecture must have N+1 buildds where N is the number > > required to keep up with the volume of uploaded packages > > > > - the value of N above must not be > 2 > > It seems to me that if an arch can keep up with builds, why impose this > artific

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Thiemo Seufer > > | For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commercial solution it is a > | requirement. Grabing some random unstable snapshot is a non-starter. > > You do realise this is exactly what Ubuntu is doing? (Grab «random» > snap

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [snip] > A release for an scc arch could come weeks or month later than the > main archs and be done by the porters alone. The only requirement for > it would be that only stable sources can be used (with a few > exceptions maybe for arch specific sources). Stable source

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Hamish Moffatt > > > > | OK, that makes sense. Can you buy those architectures new? (Surely yes > > | in the case of s390 at least, probably mipsel also as the mips CPU > > | manufacturers are alive and well.) > > >

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > >> For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commercial

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Anthony Towns wrote: [snip] > >The "stabilise" is the missing part in the proposal. Stabilization and > >security would need to be done outside Debian. > > From the announcement: > > --- > Architectures that are no longer being considered for stable releases > are not going to be left out in the

Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: [snip] > I think we should distinguish between what's really necessary to have a > useable release and what is nice to have. It's obviously nice to compile > almost everything for all archs. But if upstream is too broken for this > to be possible, it might make more s

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:11:01 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Hamish Moffatt > > > > | OK, that makes sense. Can you buy those architectures new? (Surely yes > > | in the case of s390 at least, probably mipsel also as the mips CPU > > | manufacturer

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Yes, it was a broken autobuilder, the only autobuilder, the others are > > blocked by the w-b admins. > > How can something really be "blocked by the w-b admins"? The buildds > build .debs from publicly available source pac

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:37:10 +0100, Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This was bought about a week ago; a linksys WRT54GS. > > > > > > Please be serious. Did you really manage to get debian running on that > > &g

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: [snip] > In the contrary I assume that currently the security mechanism for > alls archs is hindered by the fact that the slowest arch sets the pace. > There has been a XSF-SVN commit for the latest libxpm vulnerability some > days ago, which hasn't culminated into a DSA y

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op di, 15-03-2005 te 11:43 -0800, schreef Steve Langasek: > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 01:28:15PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Op ma, 14-03-2005 te 16:09 -0800, schreef Steve Langasek: > > > > You do know that m68k is the only architecture still carrying around > > >

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Andreas Barth wrote: > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: > > Andreas Barth wrote: > > >If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an > > >architecture to be too slow to keep up, and will eventually discuss > > >about kicking it out of the architectures we wait for

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: [snip] > > Okay, so we've got a new suite; is that global for all scc arches, or > > separate, a la "subtesting-s390", say? The question there is "Will s390 > > have a different version of the package to m68k, if one or the other is > > being more aggressively maintained

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: [snip] > Why would a port release after the main release ? Probably to fix up a few remaining arch-specific bugs. > Why, if debian doesn't > care about the non-release archs, would the porters even bother to > follow the release arch sources and not just release whe

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > > How is the layout of scc.debian.org planned to look like? Separate > > .scc.debian.org (or scc.debian.org//...) archives or a > > single one which needs partial mirroring tricks? Will arch:all be > > duplicated there or will it need to be fetched from some other mir

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Michael K. Edwards wrote: [snip] > That leaves mips (big-endian), hppa, alpha, and s390. Not so much > doorstops as space heaters; some people might put ia64 in this > category too. FWIW, the distinction between mips and mipsel isn't that clear-cut. All MIPS CPUs (except the R8000) can run in big

State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hello All, while preparing an upload of gcc-2.95 which fixes its worst problems I wondered how many users of it are actually left. 9 packages in unstable still declare a build dependency on gcc-2.95 or g++-2.95, this makes it IMHO a plausible release goal to get rid of 2.95 maintenance for etch.

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Dave Carrigan wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > this makes it IMHO a plausible release goal to get rid of 2.95 > > maintenance for etch. > > No it is not. Just because debian packages don't use 2.95 doesn't mean >

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve M. Robbins wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > Malloc debugging, #285685 suggests it is broken for > 300 days now, > > either update or remove: > > > >Steve M. Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Ben Pfaff wrote: > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Unacknowledged NMU for > one year, either update or remove: > > > >Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > gcccheckerBuild-Depends: gcc-2.95 > > I recently filed a

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:30:00PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > The need for gcc-2.95 usually means the source code is broken (in C99 > > terms) and should be fixed. Do you have an example of an use case where > > this is unfeasible, and whic

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > > > Dave Carrigan wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > >> > >> > this makes it IMHO a plausible release goal to get rid of 2.95 > >> > maintenance for etch. > >

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: [snip] > > Also, people have some code (old completed internal projects, etc), which > > probably would never be ported to newer C++ standards (it's plainly too big > > job), but which are still useful to keep working -

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > In linux.debian.devel, you wrote: > >> The need for gcc-2.95 usually means the source code is broken (in C99 > >> terms) and should be fixed. Do you have an example of an use case where > >> this is unfeasible, and which is important enough to justify continued > >> main

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > >> > The need for gcc-2.95 usually means the source code is broken (in C99 > >> > terms) and should be fixed. Do you have an example of an use case where > >> > this is unfeasible, and which is important enough to justify continued > >> > maintenance of gcc 2.95? > >>

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-23 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Rafael Laboissiere said: > > I am moving this discussion to debian-devel, since I am not sure we > > are really violating the Policy. Feel free to move it further to > > debian-policy, if you think it is appropriate. > > FWIW, Rafael, at first bl

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Marc Haber wrote: [snip] > > How is it possible for you to claim something is more secure > >when you don't understand it well enough to say how it's different? > > Well, even if I know naught about it, it looks to me that having > something signed is better than having the same something not sign

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > [Please, Cc: to me, I am not currently subscribed to debian-devel.] > > * Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-24 02:13]: > > > Stephen Gran wrote: > > > FWIW, Rafael, at first blush I have to say I agree with you. A > > &

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Stephen Gran wrote: [snip] > > > > "The maintainer name and email address used in the changelog should > > > > be the details of the person uploading this version. They are not > > > > necessarily those of the usual package maintainer." > > [snip] > > > I think that are two distinct c

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Stephen Gran wrote: [snip] > And we are in danger of allowing policy to drive practice, rather than > vice versa. > > The problem is, there are many packages currently being group > maintained. These groups generally have some sort of group contact > email address: > grep-dctrl -n -s Maintainer

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Thiemo Seufer said: > > Btw, about this simple-minded test: > > 299 of those are maintained by the Debian Install System Team, and > > nobody there felt compelled to put [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the changelog > > for whatev

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Thiemo Seufer said: > > Stephen Gran wrote: > > > This one time, at band camp, Thiemo Seufer said: > > > > Btw, about this simple-minded test: > > > > 299 of those are maintained by the Debian Install

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Isaac Clerencia wrote: > On Thursday, 24 November 2005 22:03, Stephen Gran wrote: > > But the .dsc is. This stuff is easily traceable, if we want to. I can > > see the benefit of having the same name in the Maintainer field and in the > > changelog for some. I can see arguments against it, but n

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Isaac Clerencia wrote: > On Thursday, 24 November 2005 22:36, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > I can see arguments against it, but none that make > > > it an RC bug. > > > > Policy violations are RC by definition. > According to policy "should"'s

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Brian May wrote: > >>>>> "Thiemo" == Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Well, even if I know naught about it, it looks to me that having > >> something signed is better than having the same something not signed. &

Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2005-11-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Norbert Preining wrote: > Hi all! > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Miles Bader wrote: > > nicely as "texlive-lang-tibetan" and "texlive-fonts-recommended". > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Rogério Brito wrote: > > > texlive-binaries-source 96M > > > texlive-basicbin > > What about texlive-bin-base? >

Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2005-11-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Andrew Vaughan wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:28, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > > FWIW, Debian package names prefer e.g. foo-en-uk-doc over > > foo-documentation-ukenglish. This allows to filter documentation > > packages by name (doc-* or *-doc), and following the standar

Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2005-11-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Norbert Preining wrote: [snip] > For the language stuff: Here is a problem as some languages packages are > not *one* single language, but several (arabic, cjk, other). So would it > be the best solution to have > old:texlive-langX > new:texlive--lang > ? Arabic is "ar"

Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2005-11-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
mentation-czechslovak texlive-cs-doc > > texlive-documentation-dutch texlive-nl-doc > > texlive-documentation-english texlive-en-doc > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Norbert > > > > In [1], Thiemo Seufer asserts that "FWIW,

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-05 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Hi, > > Vincent Sanders wrote: > > [1] http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/architecture.php?a=arm > > taking a "random" (end of alphabet) sample from maybe-failed: > > twinkle: requeue (probably libccrtp was stuck in NEW) > wvstreams: Dep-Wait (libxplc0.3.13-dev) - d

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > > > So those should get added to P-a-s instead. > > Well, but that'd be something for the buildd-admin to collect. > > (Or maintainers of the packages, but that doesn't seem to fashionable > > nowadays...) > > Um... no. This is *porter* work; one does not have to be

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > Ok. Here's some feedback on some that I either disagree with, or don't see > > enough rationale for. (This is why, ideally, the process should involve the > > porters and the maintainers...) > Thanks. Doesn't hurt do get educated..

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > > -grub2: !hppa !ia64 m68k # > > bootloader > > +grub2: !hppa !ia64 !m68k !alpha !mips !mipsel !s390 !sparc # > > bootloader for i386/powerpc [?] Is a P-a-s entry some sort of a final verdict? I don't think it

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-12-10 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Heiko Müller wrote: > Dear Thiemo, > we very much appreciate your work on the gcc-2.95 debian package. > For us - and probably also for other users in the scientific > community - the "old" compiler version is still of great value. > > We use gcc-2.95 to compile C/C++ code with very large mathema

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-10 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: [snip] > A similar issue I noted in the past is the big number of build failures > that don't get tagged 'Failed'. I tried working on classifying them, but > got bored so increadibly fast that I gave up, and decided for myself > this should be something the porters shou

Re: sysklogd -17.1 NMU build broken in mips/mipsel

2006-02-23 Thread Thiemo Seufer
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 08:47:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 12:22:27AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Chris Stromsoe wrote: > > > for the entire lifetime of the current stable release. Will -17.1 be > > > making its way into stable

Re: question on hurd-i386 Debian architecture

2006-03-13 Thread Thiemo Seufer
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 01:05:38AM +0100, Pjotr Kourzanov wrote: [snip] > >>There's also kfreebsd-{i386,amd64}, so why don't you use uclibc-i386? > >> > >> > > > >Actually, I disagree. To me it makes perfect sense the way it > >currently is, namely: > > kernel-arch-libc > > > >kernel and libc c

Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Francois Bottin wrote: > Selon etse hellene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Bonjour Monsieur, > > > > For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I have > ever > received in this language, albeit very poorly written. Probably some automated translation, like the german va

Re: Bug#292541: RFP: pbzip2 -- Parallel bzip2 implementation

2005-01-29 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Mike Furr wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > retitle 292541 ITP: pbzip2 -- Parallel bzip2 implementation > thanks. > > Package name: pbzip2 > Version: 0.9 > Upstream Author: Jeff Gilchrist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > URL: http://compression.ca/pbzip2/ > License: BSD-style lice

Re: 0-8-15 user? (was: Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started)

2005-01-30 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > Every 0-8-15 user will do exactly the same as i did. It is your package > > What is a 0-8-15 user? 08/15: A german expression for "uniform, standardized, mass-". Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Debian mirror scripts

2005-01-30 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Cajus Pollmeier wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a script that regenerates Packages* and Release > files for a complete mirror. Due to some installer development, I > currently need to switch the mirrors during installation in order to > get up to date packages. > > Tried to work around this with

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-19 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Anthony Towns wrote: [snip] > So, I'd just like to re-emphasise this, because I still haven't seen > anything that counts as useful. I'm thinking something like "We use s390 > to host 6231 scientific users on Debian in a manner compatible to the > workstations they use; the software we use is ..

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria

2005-03-19 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > That said, I'm a firm believer of the suggestion posed by Jesus > > Climent[1], that we should have base set of software (where base is > > probably a bit bigger than our current base) released for all > > architectures th

Re: my thoughts on the Vancouver Prospectus

2005-03-20 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Christian Perrier wrote: [snip] > This is spring time (at least for half of the world...and probably for > 90% of Debian world)so take a break, go for a walk in the forest, > hear the birds singing, get one day off with no mail reading...and > remember this is all about a hobby for most of us.

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-20 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 09:56:05AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:00:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > But why would you spend over 1000 pounds on an arm Linux desktop box > > > instead of a few hundred pounds on a random i386 desktop box? > >

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-20 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Andreas Barth wrote: > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050319 03:50]: > > On Mar 18, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There would definitely be duplication of arch:all between ftp.debian.org > > > and ports.debian.org (let's call it ports), as well as duplication of the > > >

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-20 Thread Thiemo Seufer
David Nusinow wrote: [snip] > > This is a non-issue. The main problem was the kernel situation, which will > > be > > streamlined for etch into a single package, and maybe build issues, which > > could be solved by a separate build queue or priority for d-i issues. > > You know, you keep saying t

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-20 Thread Thiemo Seufer
David Nusinow wrote: [snip] > > > If you have a single source package for 12 different architectures > > > that's great, because when you have a security fix you can take > > > care of that more easily. That's awesome. > > > > We have that already. > > Great to hear. Then what is this new plan th

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Sven Luther wrote: [snip] > > For sarge, kernels are built in a two-stage process. First is to create > > a dsfg-free .deb from the upstream source which contains a source > > tarball, second is to build kernel images from another (arch-specific) > > .deb which build-depends on the source .deb. In

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Wouter Verhelst wrote: [snip] > > m68k, mips, mipsel, hppa: I've got one in the basement, and I like > > to brag that I run Debian on it; also I occassionally get some work out > > of > > it, but it'd be trivial to replace with i386. > > Aren't the first three of these also actively bei

Re: How to show $arch releaseability

2005-03-22 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > Michael K. Edwards: > >The latest uim FTBFS twice on ARM because of the removal of howl > >dependencies from gnome packages. The rebuilt gnome-vfs2 still hadn't > >made it to unstable as of the second try, so the archive wasn't in a > >state that any package depende

Re: Two thougts about testing

2005-03-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > Auto-removal of orphaned packages from unstable is also bad if it's an > orphaned library that's still needed (which happens often enough). Auto-removal of orphaned (build-)dependency leaves sounds useful. This would also remove orphaned libraries after a while if th

Re: lintian & linda

2005-04-11 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Emanuele Rocca wrote: > * [ 11-04-05 - 09:14 ] Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ISTM that the good reason for writing-from-scratch duplicate > > functionality is if you have a Better Idea (better data structures, > > better interfaces, extra functionality, etc, etc) that are so > > f

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Ian Murdock wrote: > On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I strongly suspect they're > > > more interested in your X.org and GNOME 2.10. Given > > > that, a lot of this divergence seems pretty gratutious to me. > > > > Yes, these are both very interesting to users. > > > > Wh

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-03 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Hi, > > > This week, we will change the GCC default versions from 3.3 to 4.0 > > Would it break kernel 2.4 builds somehow ? > I've not been quite following; but the thread almost a month ago > seems to indicate thus: > http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20050701

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Otavio Salvador wrote: > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Junichi Uekawa wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> > This week, we will change the GCC default versions from 3.3 to 4.0 > >> > >> Would it break kernel 2.4 builds som

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4 any more. > > This is of course one of the reasons why users feel left alone by the > kernel developers. The gcc version recommended by

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