Re: trove is already a source package in Debian and a Python module in PyPi

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 09:45:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Since I have already uploaded python-troveclient (currently waiting in > the FTP master's NEW queue), OpenStack troveclient will be in Sid, but > if some day, someone wants to upload TroveClient from > http://dev.yourtrove.com, then

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 09:42:37PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > That much?!? Where did you get the list of ITPs for OpenStack? GET 'http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?owner=zigo%40debian.org;dist=unstable' | grep ITP|wc -l No doubt something smarter is possible with UDD. -- To UNSU

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
s the time to do the sponsor work, so that people have the opportunity to learn, and you have the opportunity to learn the quality of someone's work, and in time trust their quality. And so the adage "you have to spend money to make money" springs to mind: you have to invest time in

Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On a related note, I idly wonder whether anyone is interested in an official ARMv6 hf port. The rpi community is massive. To be clear I'm not volunteering to be involved, merely curious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: ports and multiarch

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:22:06PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: > We should add official support for ppc64 and maybe sparc64 at least for use > as a multiarch extension to ppc/sparc, even if we do not have time to make a > full > port. Otherwise the introduction of multiarch will likely result in

Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 02:17:31PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2013-10-02 13:51:06) > > On a related note, I idly wonder whether anyone is interested > > in an official ARMv6 hf port. The rpi community is massive. > > To be clear I'm not v

Re: ports and multiarch

2013-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 2 Oct 2013, at 20:44, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I don't think Debian development should be driven by retro-computing. No, but driven by demand makes sense to me, and I'm glad Stephen pulled some figures on that. > > I'm not saying we should drop support for perfectly usable machines, >

Re: how do deal with versionless mercurial software ?

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:31:35PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2013-10-02 17:50:40 +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > That said, what's the point in NOT being verbose? > > Version strings need to be displayed, and if they take too much space, > they may be truncated (e.g. in aptitude). They

Re: Archive rebuild failures and the clean target

2013-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 03:34:58PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > Something has changed recently in dh_auto_clean that made it skip > cleaning or ignore cleaning errors when the package was not > configured. Whether it was on purpose or a bug at the time... Possibly it was detecting it had alread

Re: Collect Suspend Tweaks

2013-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Eventually, I think, the kernel itself should detect which quirks to apply for what hardware, and not rely on userspace telling it. Therefore it would be nice if this could be reported somewhere to be tracked and eventually fixed in the kernel (probably the kernel bugzilla, if not already.) -- T

Re: First autoremovals happen in about 8 days

2013-10-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 8 Oct 2013, at 07:58, Neil Williams wrote: > > The removal is simply one way to fix > the RC bug I'm broadly in favour of this course of action but in no way does it fix the bugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info)

2013-10-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 13/10/13 19:47, Niels Thykier wrote: > (Not sure of the origins of the rime; I remember it being used in "V > from Vendetta" though.) As a Brit I guess I'm as surprised by people not knowing this as some US folks are when I don't have plans for the 4th July. The pleasures of an international pr

Re: Bug#726397: ITP: libmateweather -- MateWeather shared library

2013-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 02:46:20PM +0300, Vangelis Mouhtsis wrote: > This package contains the shared library for the base MATE library > functions. > . > A library to use for writing pagers and task lists. You've copied-and-pasted the longdesc for libmatewnck, libmateweather doesn't do th

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:11:01PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Looking at it as code, it is a 16-bit DOS Hello world-program. Not > copyrightable, I suppose. I do not want EICAR to be copywritable, but I reckon it probably is. A surprising amount of work went into developing EICAR: it's a valid

Re: Propose Release Goals (delayed ;) - xz compression

2013-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:31:23AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > So, this means that, yes, you need a total of at least 128 MiB RAM+swap, > if not more, to use apt/dpkg in sid (and recent releases were not much > smaller). Managed with ~100M with squeeze (in VMs) — I remember because I recall yu

Re: Bug#726698: ITP: puppet-module-puppetlabs-xinetd -- The xinetd module let you manage xinetd with Puppet

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's good to see puppet modules being packaged for Debian. Is there a team under which such efforts are coordinated? Are they being managed in a vcs? I'd suggest flipping the order of the two paragraphs in the long description: put the text which describes the module first, and the text which e

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 17 Oct 2013, at 19:21, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote: >> eicar.com does not have a distributable license. > > Neither does the virus discussed in this thread (Win32.Worm.Mytob.EF) > included in libmail-deliverystatus-bounceparser-perl. Good point, I agree it should be removed on that bas

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> > It's not difficult if you reject the requirement of being DOS[0] executable: I meant ending up with something byte-for-byte identical. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At risk of coming across as a bikeshedder, On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:43:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain name server > recursive-name-server - recursive domain name server Is there a need to distinguish between "name server" and "domain name serv

Re: Bug#727195: ITP: OpenMW -- Reimplementation of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ing accordingly. It would be worth having a think about how the package dependencies should be set up here. Can the engine be used with alternative data? The doom packages have a particular scheme for interworking, and the Quake packages have another. Thanks -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSU

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > just recall the most epic flamewar in Debian's history), Peh it wasn't *that* epic. I recall some truly awful ones in around 2006 to which the systemd ones pale in comparison. (Do not interpret this as a challenge.) -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > And I for one heavily use vservers It's a professional shame of mine that we are still trying to get rid of some old vserver instances at $WORK. I am astonished to see that you are still using them. I didn't think they'd rebased ont

Re: let's split the systemd binary package [Was, Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME]

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 06:27:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > So first of all, how hard it is to split is irrelevant. This is work > that must be done, and Debian should not accept excuses for it not > being done. I have a lot of respect for the Debian systemd maintainers and I think it shoul

Re: Please assume good faith (was Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
This seems a little bit of a distraction from the issue at hand (Debian Development) — perhaps you and the OP could follow up off list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 06:48:03AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > I agree with the people who suggest getting rid of the concept of a > 'default' desktop but I don't know how practical it is since not all > users will be capable of choosing a desktop. So we need to develop > some guidance for them. In t

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:39:58AM +0100, Marcin Kulisz wrote: > Why should I have installed packages I'm not using and I don't want to > use? I know it's rhetorical question but not all systems are having > enough disk space besides I don't like have packages I'm not using on > my systems. So it

Re: away_0.9.5+ds-0+nmu2_multi.changes ACCEPTED into unstable

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:46:09AM +0200, Andreas Moog wrote: > As you can see from > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/away/0.9.5+ds-0+nmu1ubuntu1 I did > fix it in Ubuntu. Please direct your rage at the person who took the > patch, created a false changelog and uploaded it to Debian. This may

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:02:48PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > However, I must admit that even if the standard XFCE installation does > not depend on systemd, it would be even worse if a user came along and > wanted to extend their user experience by installing some XFCE addon and > *that* would

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Steve, thanks for starting this discussion. I was quite intrigued by the responses which challenged whether we need a default at all, but if we accept that a default is required (as you outline and as others have said), I have two separate thoughts to ponder about proceeding:  • we define some

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
That looked unintentionally *great* in my mutt, half of it got interpreted and coloured as quotes, giving a "chrome" feel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 25 Oct 2013, at 21:04, Steve Langasek wrote: > > If someone is interested in maintaining Unity in Debian, I would be happy to > help figure out how Debian could leverage the existing CI infrastructure > that's in place for these packages in Ubuntu. Aren't these folks working on it? https:

Re: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Paul, Whilst I think you have honourable intentions in referring this to tech-ctte, I can't help but think it's premature. The systemd maintainers have never said that they believe systemd is ready to be the default init nor whether they could handle supporting it if the decision was made o

gnucash dependencies (was Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce)

2013-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:19:53AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > I have Gnucash installed and it depends on udisks, trust me I have > absolutely no need for udisks or polkit, so don't be so sure (I am not > saying that I am sure that he is not). gnucash → libgnome2-0 → gvfs → gvfs-daemons → libgd

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 26 Oct 2013, at 13:00, Neil Williams wrote: > > Desktop > components cannot dictate how the rest of the system operates. The gnome folks are free to do what they please. They don't answer to us and your repeated assertions that they're crossing a line just shine a light on your own hubr

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 26 Oct 2013, at 16:08, "Andrew M.A. Cater" > wrote: > > That wouldbe my preference - a tasksel change for "no desktop" "KDE" "GNOME" > "LXDE" XFCE" etc. for the netinst - default being no desktop - ideal for a > minimum > install. I don't understand how that would work: I presume you do

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:23:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Thanks, I hadn't seen that team mentioned before anywhere. It looks > like the right place for this work to happen. Unfortunately it seems > rather dormant, as the packages they do have in place date back to > Ubuntu 12.04 (i.e., b

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 08:59:00PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > Debian is not Debian without non-Linux ports. You are entitled to your opinion, which is what this is. Debian certainly was Debian without non-Linux ports prior to February 2011, and some are of the opinion that it should be again in f

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:25:55PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Couldn't they just be ignored not to mention already having existing or > far more functional and robust *options* that work with any init system. A cursory glance at the example above… > > PrivateTmp=yes > > InaccessibleDirectorie

Re: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 02:04:24PM +, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/557177 > > This doesn't appear to be a bug in Upstart. Strictly, no, but there was a surprising amount of resistance to adding some boilerplate to that script to some

Re: .py suffixed scripts to /usr/bin/

2013-10-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Urgh. How about installing the .py to a private directory (under /usr/share say?) and creating non-suffixed symlinks in /usr/bin. You could document that the user could/should prefix the /usr/share dir in their $PATH if they need to rely on the .py names existing, perhaps even provide a small helpe

Re: .py suffixed scripts to /usr/bin/

2013-10-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:24:02PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > Urgh. How about installing the .py to a private directory (under > > /usr/share say?) and creating non-suffixed symlinks in /usr/bin. > > how that would help in case of a conflict with original MNE's binaries > becoming avail

Bug#728606: general: Keyboard shortcuts for Volume, keyboard backlight no longer work. Shortcut for brightness works, but OSD does not

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hello, What desktop environment are you using: E.g., GNOME3, KDE, XFCE, LXDE… If GNOME 3, do you know whether you are using it in "normal" mode or "classic" mode (aka fallback mode, sometimes)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: .py suffixed scripts to /usr/bin/

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 3 Nov 2013, at 15:28, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > The problem > with /usr/bin/ collision is *only* when we have 2 software > doing completely different things using the same /usr/bin/. We've already established that the tools are not command line compatible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: Bug#728859: ITP: gnome-online-miners -- Crawls through your online content

2013-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Are you planning to package this as part of the Debian GNOME team? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131106115623.ga22...@bryant.redmars.org

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 02:33:36PM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: > Please no. That's a maintenance nightmare. I'm fine with one on > GNU/Linux, another everywhere else (but I'll treat everything else as > secondary), but supporting all of them, everywhere they're available, is > madness. This is now

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
This discussion isn't really furthering the development of Debian and the init system question is already with the technical committee so can we please take such discussions off-list, if one is determined to continue them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: socket-based activation has unmaintainable security?

2013-02-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 6 Feb 2013, at 17:37, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > Do we finally have mechanisms to start processes without root but with > elevated capabilities? We also need fallback for non Capability-capable supported kernels (wow that's an awkward sentence) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Bug#702844: marked as done (general: imposible to shutdown or logout graphically in gnome-shell)

2013-03-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I think gnome-shell-extensions has an extension that changes the behaviour to what you desire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/96beef9c-c909-48d7-b0ab-c

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:06:26AM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Paul Gevers wrote... > > > Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that > > don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. > > Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been > added, as seen in #70

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:30:46AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > Additionally, if you don't want to see them, you can append > ;avatar=no. I'll also enable this to be set by default using cookies > too. [But since the BTS doesn't use cookies at all currently, please > don't hold your breath.] Don'

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 03:06:47PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > In this case, though, what about making the request on the BTS' side? This > would reveal nothing about the user who actually reads a bug page to > gravatar. The bandwidth needed to do so is totally negligible. I think that's what

Re: Bug#703762: ITP: jdownloader -- download manager for one-click hosting sites

2013-03-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
h will dilute the motivation for people to work on a proper solution. Then we end up stuck with the sub-optimal solution. I think downloader packages where required for licensing reasons are an uneasy necessary evil, but for when the maintainer doesn't have time to package something? This see

Re: Bug#704124: codename 'rc-buggy' not handled correctly

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
That explains why "rc-buggy" started showing up against experimental packages on packages.debian.org. I assumed it was a PDO bug. I guess everyone has stopped laughing now. Can we get rid of it? (It's also very misleading). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:32:57PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > on a more personal note, why oh why would you ever want the system to suspend > when you close the lid? That's what a suspend button is for. My suspend button requires a function modifier and is ignored if the screen saver is activ

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:48:09PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If a package fails to do what it is supposed to do, isn't that a valid > argument that it is RC? No. Or virtually every bug would be RC. > gnome-power-manager is meant to suspend a user's laptop when they shut > the lid and put it

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-03-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ts is topical, I'd love a response to #677792, sadly too late for wheezy now but I'm still interested. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: h

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:48:08AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > IMO it's important to remember that it's fundamentally the release team > that is at fault for problems here, not the R maintainer. Can you please remind me what you do for Debian? Aside from flame debian-devel. I've forgotten. > Unst

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:15:17AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote: > So help speeding up the release process. The universal rebuttal to all complaints about the release process. Sadly it misses the point at the heart of most complaints: far too much work is needed to become release-ready, and there is not

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 07:57:50AM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > I don't think the time for this discussion is now, so I'll restrain > myself from saying more. The release is near, and there's going to > be plenty of time until the next freeze :) When the pain of the freeze will be a fast-fadin

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:45:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > You seem to believe that unstable is more important than stable > releases. I do not. One of us is in the wrong project. If, you are suggesting here, that the release process in Debian is utterly set in stone and nobody may raise obj

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 05:18:53PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > This can/should preferably be configurable, defaulting to the Debian > BTS. Derivatives should be encouraged to override the defaults > accordingly. In the case of "our" bts tool, I think it would be rather too much work to re-arc

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 07:13:05PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > My point. Sorry Ben! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130402204348.GC5048@debian

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
The NEW queue is not just for double-checking licenses. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013040318.GB11273@debian

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 4 Apr 2013, at 20:16, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > otherwise the workflow becomes clumsier Just to be clear, did you read Russ' blog - are you referring to the merge trick he uses in his workflow for this purpose? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. Why? > Is there already some logic/templates in Debian that I could build on? dh-make-perl perhaps? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.de

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is > on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if > they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar > bugs are class

threads, Subjects: and mailers (was Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate))

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:28:32AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to > keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Fix your mailer… I see precisely one thread, correctly linked together via message-id and references headers, wit

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 02:52:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > If I upload new packages A and B, that A depends and B, and > that A gets approved, but B doesn't, then we end up with > package A being in Debian, but never installable. Has this ever happened? I believe the FTP masters do look at

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:11:05AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: > That was the part I didn't understand. What are people doing to solve > this generated files at release problem? I've solved this as upstream > and a Debian developer by having tarballs. Run the 'dist' stages as part of the 'build'

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > > document, > > vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a "DMCA safe > > harbor". > > Do

Re: Bug#704686: ITP: ruby-arr-pm -- RPM reader and writer Ruby library

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:33:20PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > This ruby gem is needed by FPM (see my ITP[0]). Hi Laurent, thanks for the clarification — to ask a related question. What's the worth of FPM on Debian? Especially given the issues that Wouter has raised in the bug¹ ¹ http://b

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would > mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not, but Debian is not hosting mentors, the .net domain is a forwarding service of sorts, so to take on the responsibilit

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:04:40PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > Aslo, we have sso.debian.org, whose use we should expand. I'd love to see that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archi

Re: Further Update on R 3.0.0 migration (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 09:18:05AM -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Charles, failing that, shall we coordinate off-list? Re-building in chroot > takes about a minute or two each but sadly some of these package appear > effectively orphaned (eg gpplot2, single upload 15 months ago -- is that > rea

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:28:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > % ls -lh debian/rules > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 mrvn users 1 Apr 16 12:27 debian/rules -> /usr/bin/dh > > I don't understand your point, other than to demonstrate tha

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:38:14AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Well yes, but if you do even small things such as generate the > package manually instead of using debhelper, prepare to be shouted > at by the British Cabal with threats of using superpowers to remove > such packages from Debian.

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > I also posted on Debian Planet, how to find patches applied in Ubuntu > via Debian PTS together with categories of useful fixes that are > relevant to Jessie and may be already solved/patched in Ubuntu. [1] > > I perceived that bl

Re: Bug#705930: ITP: kitchen -- Cornuscopia of useful Python code

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It would be nice if the long description (at least) gave a bit more of a concrete overview over the type of utilities that are included. Look at e.g. moreutils, devscripts for examples of how to do this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > Ideally, i'd like to see debian to branch or use t-p-u, such that sid > can continue accepting new uploads and not freeze. E.g. something > similar to how fedora operates. I vaguely recall that something like > that has been propos

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:20:53PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > dh_make -f ../foo-1.tar.gz > dpkg-buildpackage I think one valid point the OP makes which each of these suggestions — in isolation — seem to miss, is there are *too many ways to do it*. The suggestions you (and others)

Re: Join the #newinwheezy game

2013-04-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Is there a mobile version? Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2013, at 17:52, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ (in German, English and Dutch) > Please. Read it. Follow it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Paul, This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Many people, including Roger and Marco, have spent a *lot* of time thinking about this and working on proofs of concepts, etc. already. Please take some time to read up on the previous threads before insisting

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > That said, I'm not in support of moving things to /usr; it's completely > backward. … > If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge te

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 7 May 2013, at 17:26, Simon Chopin wrote: > Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. Don't worry, I haven't: I just don't know of a more accurate heuristic for determining when somebody started to get involved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I don't see why, in this context, that's a useful heuristic to have. If > you want to debunk someone's argument, I'm not sure I'd characterize what I tried to get across as debunking someone's argument. More so, questioning whet

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:06:45AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/28/2013 06:28 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > Please rename /sbin/rc to something else. We've had (unrelated) > > /usr/bin/rc in Debian for at least 18 years. > > Outch! This bites hard. Maybe you being the maintainer of the "rc" >

Re: Dead-lock in replaced package scripts

2013-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:52:35PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > Generally, I avoid even trying to remove system users during package > removal. Remove the files for that user but not the user itself. (What > harm does it do to leave the user defined?) This seems very sensible and pragmatic, but y

Re: Cross-directory hard links in Debian packages

2013-11-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:16:19AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > For instance the publican package saved 3/4 of its binary package > size. If this were a problem, then maybe we should have seen a bug > report. I'm not sure that making a general rule based on an edge-case is a good idea. Publican

Re: Subversion 1.8.4

2013-11-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:39:07PM +0400, Виталий Филиппов wrote: > As the latest packaged Subversion in Debian is now 1.8.4 and it seems > that the maintainer doesn't care updating it by now (see > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725787), A little over a month ago is not long e

Re: Bug#729660: ITP: xemacs21 -- highly customizable text editor

2013-11-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > I was on my phone, thanks for the advice. I laboriously quote-post from my phone all the time. Emails should be optimised for the reader, rather than the writer. > No, I don't think it's wise to let this back in the archive befor

Re: Bug#729660: ITP: xemacs21 -- highly customizable text editor

2013-11-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:30:01PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user > and so are many of other developers I work together with and everyone > I know of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11 > support, you just

Re: sysvinit: moving the contents out of the Essential: yes package?

2013-11-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:42:43PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > This is correct, OpenRC uses sysvinit, and replaces only sysv-rc > (which BTW shows that replacing a well working PID 1, or adding any > piece of code in it, is absolutely not needed at all) ...to achieve what OpenRC achieves. --

Re: Last call for pv-grub-menu.

2013-12-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 09:48:29AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > If you want this package in Debian, you just had to reply to my original > mail to you with "Yes" and re-dput it. Instead, you've wasted everyone's > time with these threads, and I'm sitting here, trying to reply to this. FWIW I d

Re: Bug#733029: dpkg-buildpackage: disable signing by default (-us -uc should be the default)

2014-01-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:27:29PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > * signing would get rafactored into a new program so that users do >not need to manually mangle the .changes file, rebuild or require >devscripts for something that was possible out-of-the-box. I chose to read that as "debsi

Re: Bug#733029: dpkg-buildpackage: disable signing by default (-us -uc should be the default)

2014-01-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
You raise some very valid points and §I appreciate your concerns and perhaps should rephrase my request so that I'm suggesting subsuming the most common used features of debsign and perhaps as part of a staged migration (compat symlink to debsign binary name in the phase 1, real name dpkg-sign or w

Re: Valve games for Debian Developers

2014-01-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:45:39PM +0100, Richard Hartmann wrote: > The absolute monetary value of the Valve Pack on Steam is €89.99 in > Europe You're forgetting future, unreleased Valve games too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: Proposal: remove krb5-appl (rlogin, rsh, telnet, ftp with krb5 support)

2014-01-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:27:52AM +0100, Simon Toedt wrote: > Hint: Before further claiming the obsolesce of krb-rsh/rlogin vs ssh > please try ssh on an ARM box (e.g gumstix) vs krb-rsh. ssh takes > almost 2.6 seconds to complete (even with tuning and using arcfour), > krb-rsh executes the same i

Re: Bug#735134: perl: rename(1) is ancient

2014-02-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, I regularly use rename(1) and miss it on non-Debian systems. The fact perl provides it currently doesn't matter to me (or I'd argue any end user) > On 2 Feb 2014, at 15:12, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > A > maintained version is available as a separate package, libfile-rename-perl. This is a

Re: Bug#735134: perl: rename(1) is ancient

2014-02-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Gregor, On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 07:31:02PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > It's the package for the CPAN File::Rename distribution, and > therefore named accordingly to > https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-package_names > in Debian. Thanks for po

Re: FW: Again ask for a mentor who can help me by private mail

2014-02-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
You may have better luck on debian-mentors (but I echo what others are saying… it sounds like your mentor is not behaving in the spirit of open source software) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.de

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