Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the > content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the > email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who signs their email > with a key

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:25:05PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not > > > the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it > > > with the email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who > > > signs their email

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:22:53PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the > > > content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the > > > email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who signs their email

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:42:38PM +0100, Martin Bagge / brother wrote: > > But all Debian Contributors have their OpenPGP key in the > > project's keyring. No? > Most certainly not. > Parts where many people who is not DD nor DM takes part include docs, > web, translations and graphics. I think th

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours, > > > that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO. > > Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email > Moderating (some) emails to d-d implies

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Wo

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Please no. > > > > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity > > in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. > If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter peop

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 06:44:50PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > You're expecting people proposing GRs to be receptive to rational > > argument. > > > > I fear you've not been paying close attention recently. Well > > done. I congratulate you on your wisdom. > If rational argument is not necess

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:24:13AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > > This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6, > > > being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution > > > was still under discussion. > > > > > > I urge the systemd maintaine

Re: on reloading services from logrotate

2014-11-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 03:07:02PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Please excuse a little excursion into the inhomogeneity of signalling > > services from logrotate. I did a little bit of research and came up > > with the following numbers (sid i386+all main): > > > -> 360 packages shipping logrot

Re: wine-unstable in Debian

2012-04-15 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 01:18:28PM +0200, Petr Baudis wrote: > I am rather dazzled that while there is working source package > of wine-1.5 ready, other people are working on gradually packaging > wine-1.1.x releases; I'm surprised that not everyone involved is such dazzled. > Also, it seems

Re: wine-unstable in Debian

2012-04-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:27:37AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > As a side note: One problem with wine is that it needs 32bit libraries > on amd64 and the state of ia32-libs. Ia32-libs does have some bugs open > concerning wine, specifically it doesn't allow building wine from source > (agai

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-04-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 07:16:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > The giant endless flamewars on debian-devel required to make a decision to > > change anything. :) > IIRC, last time we discussed this I think that even the exim maintainers > were in favour of the change... What were the reasons?

Re: Bug#661329: recommends doom-wad which is only provided by non-free doom-wad-shareware

2012-04-30 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 04:24:36PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > They may be useless without additional data, but this is the same as > > drivers that are useless without additional hardware. > I don't buy this analogy - usually, drivers are programmed for existing > (or soon-to-be-existing) hard

Re: openvz, was: Re: Bug#672695: wordpress: no sane way for security updates in stable releases

2012-05-14 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 04:37:23PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: > > This reminds me: is anyone going to bring back vserver or openvz in some > > I'm for having openvz back, then. Are you ready to do the required work? > Can we have this in a separate thread, please? Do we have any practical results

Re: why do people introduce stup^Wstrange changes to quilt 3.0 format

2012-05-15 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:59:31PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > See my other answer. This is conceptually wrong, because you might > end up with a *wrong* patch and the old one is destroyed due to the > refresh (patch just messed it up .. and I didn't realize it, uuups). Why don't you use a VCS

Re: debuild/dpkg-buildpackage behaves not as expected

2012-05-16 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote: > I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect from > the maintainer's guide [1]: > > | Cleaning the source and rebuilding the package from your user account > | is as simple as: > | $ debuild > [...] > | You can c

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:24:23PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Eventually (wheezy+2? +3?) we would stop building a kernel package for > > > > i386. > > > > > > As in drop the i386 arch? > > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > that to a 'partial archi

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 02:19:09PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > By the way, are there plans to drop the support of the i386 architecture > > with > > kFreeBSD as well ? > I thought we were discussing amd64 being the default architecture for new > installations, rather than the removal of the i

Re: zlib and biarch/triarch

2012-05-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:14:49PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Just curious… > > I thought one is supposed to use Multi-Arch now, and that > biarch/triarch can finally go away. > > Seeing the trouble broonie has with zlib, why are those > packages still built anyway? Can’t they please go away

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:22:24AM +0300, Serge wrote: > What's a temporary file? Really, why would applications temporarily store > its data in a file? They do that to *free some memory*. Placing those files > back to memory renders the whole process of writing the file useless. > If the files are

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 08:22:20AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > > > What's a temporary file? Really, why would applications temporarily store > > > its data in a file? They do that to *free some memory*. Placing those > > > files > > > back to memory renders the whole process of writing the file us

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useful

2012-05-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:50:31PM +0300, Serge wrote: > /tmp on tmpfs won't help in that case. You do not reduce number of disk > writes, you just move them to other directories. As you suggested, all > the programs will still use files i.e. in /var/tmp. Or they'll write to > swap if tmpfs is larg

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useful

2012-05-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 05:08:37PM +0300, Serge wrote: > > Why do you assume tmpfs contents is always written to the swap? > > Most programs, using /tmp for temporary files, may write *large* files > there. So most programs fill tmpfs with large files. So tmpfs grows and > swaps out (probably swap

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useful

2012-05-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 03:24:02AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > /tmp 8,0G 60M 8,0G1% /tmp > > Does this count as "large files"? > > As "a lot of small-only files"? > > > Exactly how is this a practical explanation and example? :/ > Are you saying that in *

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useful

2012-05-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:47:37PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >>> /tmp 8,0G 60M 8,0G1% /tmp > >>> Does this count as "large files"? > >>> As "a lot of small-only files"? > >>> > >>> > >> Exactly how is this a practical explanation and example? :/ >

Re: Upgrade path for packages that dropped ia32-libs for wheezy

2012-06-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM -0400, Scott Howard wrote: > Hello, > > I have a non-free package that is distributable but comes precompiled > for i386. Squeeze (and previous) released an amd64 package that > depended on ia32-libs. For wheezy we've been able to use multiarched > libraries to d

Re: this bug .. bugs me

2012-06-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:46:46PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Not sure what to say other than when I became a DD and gained the > power to NMU, I started fixing this. Before that, Ove's contributor > rejections blocked myself and many other non-DDs from effectively > helping. I would also be

Re: this bug .. bugs me

2012-06-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:41:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > You mean, besides completely hijacking the package? > > > > The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23. > > > > So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to be the real > > package maintainers for wine. > > > > My s

Re: this bug .. bugs me

2012-06-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 08:16:26PM +0200, Steven Post wrote: > Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which > I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that > currently depend upon ia32-libs? To name a certain package: skype. Its > AMD64 package from

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Bug#676686: libxslt1.1: libxslt1.1 binNMU broke multi-arch installability

2012-06-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:01:29AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > As I mentioned in the long ref-counting thread, I strongly disagree this > is a correct solution, it just seems like a hack to me. Instead I > think we should consider changelog (and copyright as long as it's in > machine parseable fo

Re: Lintian warning: hardening-no-fortify-functions & version numbering

2012-06-19 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0200, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote: > I have read the output of lintian-info -t about > hardening-no-fortify-functions, and it helps a lot. The software uses > Cmake as build tool, and the "hardening-wrapper" solution solved some > lintian warnings, but not the l

Re: Lintian warning: hardening-no-fortify-functions & version numbering

2012-06-19 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:42:33PM +0200, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote: > > Why do you need hardening-wrapper? You should use flags set by > > dpkg-buildflags. > Because that > (http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#Notes_for_packages_using_CMake), > referred by lintian-info too. Using it I only need to

Re: Lintian warning: hardening-no-fortify-functions & version numbering

2012-06-19 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:04:46PM +0200, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote: > > I see several solutions there, and the hardening-wrapper one is in my > > opinion the worst one: it adds a build dependency and it uses own set of > > configuration variables, not compatible with dpkg-buildflags ones. > Yes

Re: proprietary solutions just work (Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:28:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell > > people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other > > devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious > > anyway. >

Re: proprietary solutions just work (Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 07:11:52PM +0530, Praveen A wrote: > >> > It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell > >> > people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other > >> > devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious > >> > any

Re: Lintian warning: hardening-no-fortify-functions & version numbering

2012-06-23 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:08:50PM +0300, Serge wrote: > > (http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#Notes_for_packages_using_CMake), > > referred by lintian-info too. Using it I only need to define "export > > DEB_BUILD_HARDENING=1" on my debian/rules and it adds the CPPFLAGS to > > CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS (C

Re: fortify help

2012-06-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:06:02PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > but i always get: > W: plasma-widget-smooth-tasks: hardening-no-fortify-functions > usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_smooth-tasks.so As the extended tag description suggests, refer to http://bugs.debian.org/673112 for the discussion of f

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:25AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > We really need to find better ways to involve new users in core teams, > and that means removing from our collective consciousness the idea that > you come in Debian to package your new favorite piece of software. Unfortunately dif

Re: Bug#682502: ITP: console -- Terminal application for the Cream Desktop Environment

2012-07-23 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 02:29:23PM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote: > It would probably make sense to rename the console executable (as > provided by upstream) to cream-terminal then? Of course (and poke upstream to do that, not just rename it in the package). > Or will Debian accept an binary with the

Re: Modified http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper to mention non-packagers (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 01:55:06PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > We are in the process of discussing a variety of constitutional amendments > > > to be raised by the tech-ctte that will hopefully end up creating a sort > > > of bundle of constitutional fixes to vote on. Perhaps it would be good

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:38:25PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > systemd may seem better in /most/ cases because it does have some nice > features, but I don't think it's better in *all* cases. systemd doesn't > allow > shutdown/reboot from within KDE4 That doesn't sound like an inherent systemd

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source > > package. > > Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check > could alarm packagers of this? http://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-cont

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 04:43:51PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source > > > package. > > > > Interesting, that issue seem

Re: symbols file: To hide or not to hide...

2012-09-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:34:36PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > So I finally managed to get my C++ symbols file generated. However > before shooting myself in the foot, I'd like to know if I need to > generate the symbol file using -fvisibility=hidden or not ? Theoretically, it is much bette

Re: CIA going down: KGB wants your commits!

2012-09-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:52:52PM +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote: > Not to "to knock 'em when they're down", but since it seems that the CIA.vc > service has officially closed recently (cannot find exactly when did that > happen) http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html http:/

Re: GFDL in main

2013-05-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 03:44:06PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > I would like to save the effort to upload that. And if somebody wants to nmu > that, please just append dfsg to the version, not +dfsg. +dfsg is annoyingly > popular, but prevents updates of something like 2.64.1. $ dpkg --compare-

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 07:07:16PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service > >files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too. > > Are those any better than init scripts shipped by upstream? How many > Debian packages use

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 02:07:38PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > You're right, in that the "interface" that a user has to exim-on-debian is > update-exim4.conf.conf, rather than exim4's configuration directly; however, > length aside, I don't see this as a strength, but a serious source of > con

Re: Bug#711359: ITP: python-first -- simple function that returns the first true value from an iterable

2013-06-06 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 04:31:43PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Julien Danjou > > * Package name: python-first > Version : 2.0.0 > Upstream Author : Hynek Schlawack > * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/first > * License

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 05:12:22PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > >>> * Package name: libsdl2-mixer > > >> > > >> Isn't this packaged already? You don't need to file WNPP bugs for SONAME > > >> bumps... > > > > > > It's a massive new major release. Think perl5 vs perl6. > > > > The point i

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 03:05:05PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply ignores > bug severities entirely. Life for the maintainer or for the user? -- WBR, wRAR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 04:15:27PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply ignores > > bug severities entirely. Of course harder to do nearer to release, but > > we live in a time of relative luxury right now… > > This is important for apt-

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:17:26PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > > > >>> * Package name: libsdl2-mixer > > > > >> > > > > >> Isn't this packaged already? You don't need to file WNPP bugs for > > > > >> SONAME > > > > >> bumps... > > > > > > > > > > It's a massive new major release. Think

Re: Filtering bugs from apt-listbugs reports (was Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure)

2013-06-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 02:40:17PM -0400, James McCoy wrote: > > > > It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply > ignores > > > > bug severities entirely. Of course harder to do nearer to release, but > > > > we live in a time of relative luxury right now… > > > > > > This is i

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 07:04:30AM -0400, Stephen M. Webb wrote: > > Normally you would keep the old version's changelog. But even if you don't, > > there's no need for an ITP in cases like this, or when part of a package > > starts > > to be shipped from a different source upstream. It's like ope

Re: Mail breaks spamassassin

2013-06-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >>> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting > >> > >> I do not like to use browsers. Especially to report bugs. > > > >Likewise, however bug reporting in Debian is only done via email not > >via a web browser. You can either use the reportb

Re: Berkeley DB 6.0 license change to AGPLv3

2013-07-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:58:34PM +0200, Nick Andrik wrote: > Since AGPLv3 is really similar to GPLv3 but mostly oriented for > webapplications, would it make sense to contact Oracle with the > concerns raised in this thread and ask for clarification and possible > consideration to change to licen

abi-compliance-checker and abi-dumper to track API/ABI

2013-07-03 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
. Enjoy! [1] https://github.com/lvc/abi-dumper [2] https://github.com/lvc/abi-compliance-checker -- Andrey Ponomarenko, ROSA Lab. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Arc

Re: abi-compliance-checker and abi-dumper to track API/ABI

2013-07-04 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
Markus Raab wrote: Hello! Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: There is a new simple way to track changes in API/ABI of system libraries using a new ABI dumper [1] tool. Thanks for the tipp! However, this approach has some drawbacks. Perhaps the main drawback is the inability to perform some

Re: Pepper Flash for Chromium

2013-07-07 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 01:05:21PM +0200, Stéphane Glondu wrote: > Has anyone considered asking Google to distribute separately the flash > plugin? I think you need to ask Adobe, not Google. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: abi-compliance-checker and abi-dumper to track API/ABI

2013-07-10 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
/usr/include/libgrip/gripinputdevice.h /usr/include/libgrip/gripgesturemanager.h /usr/lib/libgrip.so But I haven't gotten far enough to have this working automagically as dep8 tests. DEP-8 tests are per-package, I want something that would work for every package that includes a

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 06:33:08PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > It's about the same on the other side when Lennart tells about Systemd > "debunking myths". If this wasn't about systemd, I'd ask for some arguments here. But as all systemd discussions are full of FUD anyway, it won't help much here

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:50:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems > > > >> "friendly upstream yes no NO YES" > > > > Really? You put something like this in a technical comparison chart? > > I wasn't the one who wrote

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:47:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> It's about the same on the other side when Lennart tells about Systemd > >> "debunking myths". > > I'd ask for some arguments here. > > This has already been discussed. You can look in the archive. I don't think so. -- WBR, wRA

Re: Grub 2.00 in testing?

2013-07-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 07:36:22AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > The migration notification is in error; it's a bug in the script that > generates the notifications, that doesn't ignore extra entries included > in the Sources files added by the archive management software in order > to help with

Re: Grub 2.00 in testing?

2013-07-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:03:48AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Trust dak instead: > | kibi@arya:~$ ssh release.debian.org dak ls grub2 -s testing Permission denied (publickey). -- WBR, wRAR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: Grub 2.00 in testing?

2013-07-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:02:10AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Trust dak instead: > > > | kibi@arya:~$ ssh release.debian.org dak ls grub2 -s testing > > Permission denied (publickey). > > For those having missed [1,2], how much time exactly does one need > to find coccia.d.o on machines.c

Re: Finding correct component for Virtual Box / Debian / screen resolution issue

2013-08-06 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:15:29PM +, adrelanos wrote: > >> This question is about Virtual Box / Debian / screen resolution without > >> having guest additions installed. > > > > I see, is there any reason to not do that? > > Security reasons. It weakens isolation between guest and host. See

Re: lib/libgsl.so: undefined reference to `cblas_ztrsv' (on Ubuntus)

2013-09-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:42:32AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > ~/afni-0.20130830~dfsg.1/build-x86_64-linux-gnu/avovk# gcc --param > ssp-buffer-size=4 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat-security -g -O2 > -fstack-protector > --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wno-unused

Re: lib/libgsl.so: undefined reference to `cblas_ztrsv' (on Ubuntus)

2013-09-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 12:21:50PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../../lib/libgsl.so: undefined > > > reference to `cblas_ztrsv' > > > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../../lib/libgsl.so: undefined > > > reference to `cblas_scasum' > > If y

Re: think twice before enabling -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 for C projects without thorough build-time testing

2013-09-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:00:57AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > So basically a variation of the old problem of calling memcpy when one > > meant to use memmove. I'm actually surprised that type of call to sprintf > > ever worked reliably with optimization, even without _FORTIFY_SOURCE. > > But,

Re: dpkg-buildpackage creating uninstallable packages?

2013-09-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:18:03AM +0400, Norbert Preining wrote: > since a short time when I build a binary package on my running system, I > cannot install the created .deb anymore because it depends on >libc-amd64 (>= some.version) > which somehow is not what I have although I am running am

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:39:58AM +0100, Marcin Kulisz wrote: > > > >This falsely implies that sticking with Gnome requires replacing the > > > >init system. The only requirement is that systemd is installed, not > > > >that it is used as the init system. > > > > > > That may be the case today,

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:43:04PM +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > Would LXDE still fit on the same CD? I'm guessing yes, but I'd rather > > have it explicit. > > > > Why are we still talking about CDs? Didn't everybody move to DVDs a century > ago? And then they moved away from DVDs too. I gu

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 01:29:34PM +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > > > Why are we still talking about CDs? Didn't everybody move to DVDs a > > century > > > ago? > > And then they moved away from DVDs too. > > I guess we are talking about install images to download (where you usually > > don't

Re: away_0.9.5+ds-0+nmu2_multi.changes ACCEPTED into unstable

2013-10-25 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:57:50AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > The usefulness of supporting --as-needed isn't because of Ubuntu. It's > > > because switching --as-needed on across the board > > > > I think it would be better send all our upstreams patches for their > > build systems than to

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 04:37:55PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > [...] non-Linux UNIX flavours - which I think Debian should support for > ethical and philosophical reasons. Uh-oh. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:58:16PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > How about Gentoo, Slackware, LFS and many many others? What's that? -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: How to connect to SQL Server using ODBC and still have kde on my machine

2011-11-14 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 01:01:25PM +0200, Boris shtrasman wrote: > any ideas how can I do that without breaking kde ? Use squeeze? -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: weekly-builds 14.11.2011: apt-cdrom add fails

2011-11-17 Thread Andrey Gursky
2011/11/17, Steve McIntyre : > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:54:00PM +0100, Andrey Gursky wrote: >>Hi! >> >>As with almost each weekly-build DVD I was about to update one of my >>PCs not connected to internet. But this time it has failed: >> >># apt-cdrom add

Re: weekly-builds 14.11.2011: apt-cdrom add fails

2011-11-17 Thread Andrey Gursky
2011/11/17, Steve McIntyre : > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:45:41AM +0100, Andrey Gursky wrote: >>2011/11/17, Steve McIntyre : >>> >>> Looks like a bug in apt, as far as I can see - pkgTagFile::Resize() >>> has a hard-coded internal maximum buffer size

Re: libconfig9 for Wheezy?

2011-11-28 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
been tracked as wishlist bug #583528 since May 2010 [2]. Is there enough time left to have this updated before the Wheezy freeze window? Thanks, Jon [1]http://packages.qa.debian.org/libc/libconfig.html [2]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583528 -- Andrey Ponomarenko

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:38:10AM +0100, Iustin Pop wrote: > > > All admins I know have at least some servers with custom kernels (in the > > > past it was said, to build your firewall/server kernels without module > > > support, so that no rootkit module could be loaded). > > > > No longer neede

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 06:59:07PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > It is a good thing to run with minimum privs, but compiling a new kernel to > > support this seems to be a lot of work for a fairly small benefit. > First of all it is quite a significant benefit. And you get quite some > other a

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 08:35:06AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Andrey Rahmatullin [111227 07:53]: > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 06:59:07PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > > > It is a good thing to run with minimum privs, but compiling a new > > > > kernel

pkgdiff

2012-01-30 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
://pkgdiff.github.com/pkgdiff/ [2] http://pkgdiff.github.com/pkgdiff/pkgdiff_reports/libqb/0.4.1_to_0.8.1/compat_report.html -- Andrey Ponomarenko, ROSA Lab. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: pkgdiff

2012-01-30 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:08:03PM +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > Hello list, > > A new tool for package maintainers has been released today: pkgdiff > [1] - a tool for analyzing changes in Linux software packages (DEB, > RPM, TAR.GZ, etc). The output of the tool is an HTML rep

Re: pkgdiff

2012-01-30 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:08:03PM +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: Hello list, A new tool for package maintainers has been released today: pkgdiff [1] - a tool for analyzing changes in Linux software packages (DEB, RPM, TAR.GZ, etc). The output of the tool is an HTML

Re: Doesn't contain source for waf binary code

2012-02-07 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:12:37AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > While the waf behavour does sound quite awful, is this really any > > different than the current behaviour of the autotools? The "configure" > > script is an unreadable mess generated by the expansion of macros in the > > autotools

Re: Doesn't contain source for waf binary code

2012-02-07 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:47:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> While the waf behavour does sound quite awful, is this really any > >>> different than the current behaviour of the autotools? The > >>> "configure" script is an unreadable mess generated by the expansion of > >>> macros in the au

Re: Rebuild of the Debian archive with clang

2012-02-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:47:45PM +0100, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > There are some results of the rebuild of the Debian archive with clang: > http://clang.debian.net/ > http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2012/02/29/rebuild_of_the_debian_archive_with_clang That's very interesting, thanks! I c

Re: Bug#661840: ITP: rfcdiff -- IETF Internet Draft Difference Tool

2012-03-02 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
it in with other tools. Scott K I do not agree. This tool can be used to compare any text-based files and produce pretty HTML reports. For example, I'm using it to publish differences in C header files on the web: http://upstream-tracker.org/diffs/barry/0.16_to_0.17.0/diff.html -- Andrey P

Re: Bug#661840: ITP: rfcdiff -- IETF Internet Draft Difference Tool

2012-03-02 Thread Andrey Ponomarenko
it in with other tools. Scott K I do not agree. This tool can be used to compare any text-based files and produce pretty HTML reports. For example, I'm using it to publish differences in C header files on the web: http://upstream-tracker.org/diffs/barry/0.16_to_0.17.0/diff.html -- Andrey P

Re: init systems and Policy

2012-03-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:25:17AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > Ubuntu's version of debhelper includes changes to maintainer scripts to > avoid calling update-rc.d for sysvinit scripts when there is a > corresponding Upstart job, from which I infer that Upstart does not do > the same as systemd?

Re: init systems and Policy

2012-03-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:48:12AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:31 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:25:17AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > Ubuntu's version of debhelper includes changes to maintainer scripts

Re: bug reports with urls in them

2012-04-01 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:11:11AM +0200, Michael Welle wrote: > I just tried to report a bug. To show how one can reproduce > the bug I needed an url, I chose www.foo.org for that purpose. You have example.com just for that. > : > 140.211.15.34 failed after I sent the message. > Remote host said:

Re: bug reports with urls in them

2012-04-01 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:20:04AM +0200, Michael Welle wrote: > >> I just tried to report a bug. To show how one can reproduce > >> the bug I needed an url, I chose www.foo.org for that purpose. > > See RFC2606. > so you suggest a Debian user should consult RFCs before reporting a bug > in some so

Re: bug reports with urls in them

2012-04-01 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:22:59AM +0200, Michael Welle wrote: > >> I just tried to report a bug. To show how one can reproduce > >> the bug I needed an url, I chose www.foo.org for that purpose. > > You have example.com just for that. > > > >> : > >> 140.211.15.34 failed after I sent the message.

Re: On init in *Debian*

2012-04-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 05:14:25PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > > And the third advantage of it, is that upstream people is starting to ship > > systemd unit files. > It is not advantage. it is crap. I believe no one can write and support > init/systemd/whatsoever scripts sutable for many distributi

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