Quoting Russ Allbery (2018-10-26 02:00:24)
> But I think it's simply incorrect to say that libgpgme11 is in any way
> doing something wrong given what Policy says right now. This
> *clearly* meets the definition of Depends as currently stated in
> Policy.
I agree that current behaviour of libg
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On 2018-10-26 at 00:51, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The Wanderer writes:
>
>> On 2018-10-25 at 20:00, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is
>>> required for the depending package to provide a significant
>>> amount of functionality.
>
>> This does
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* Russ Allbery [181026 00:52]:
> I don't know why you would expect otherwise? That seems entirely natural
> and expected given that Depends is a stronger relationship than
> Recommends, and therefore is naturally a subset of the things that would
> qualify as Recommends.
[As The Wanderer said, I
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Hi,
I've been encouraging my students to install Debian on their personal
machines, and we've found out that a lot of them get the wrong Debian
installer:
- some of them attempt to install an AMD64 version of Debian in
a 32-bit-only virtual machine;
- others attempt to install an i386 ver
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 09:30:46AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:15 AM Sean Whitton wrote:
> >
> > On Tue 23 Oct 2018 at 05:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
> > >
> > > In short: Make it very clear if you want to provide long-term support
> > > for your project. Talk to the
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 02:41:31PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> I've been encouraging my students to install Debian on their personal
> machines, and we've found out that a lot of them get the wrong Debian
> installer:
>
> - some of them attempt to install an AMD64 version of Debian in
>
* The Wanderer [181026 08:38]:
> On 2018-10-26 at 00:51, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > You choose the strongest relationship that is applicable.
>
> I'm not sure that's clear from the given definitions, nor that it should
> necessarily hold. Is there any statement which would make that explicit?
> I ha
On 2018-10-26 10:26:09 -0300 (-0300), Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> Using the LTS term in a slightly different way than the "industry
> standard" now means we need to spend a little more effort on users
> education.
[...]
Just a data point: under pressure from downstream consumers t
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 02:56:23PM +0800, Yangfl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Many of packages include bundled Aladdin Enterprises independent
> implementation of md5. Full list can be seen at
> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=typedef+unsigned+char+md5_byte_t&perpkg=1
> (100 packages)
>
> As discussed
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:24:17AM -0400, Marvin Renich wrote:
> Using Depends instead of Recommends actually _prevents_ the admin from
> being able to choose.
you know about the equivs package, do you?
--
cheers,
Holger
* Holger Levsen [181026 10:45]:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:24:17AM -0400, Marvin Renich wrote:
> > Using Depends instead of Recommends actually _prevents_ the admin from
> > being able to choose.
>
> you know about the equivs package, do you?
Sure. But that requires the admin to build a pack
On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 09:30:46AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:15 AM Sean Whitton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue 23 Oct 2018 at 05:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In short: Make it very clear if you wa
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:05:18AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> > I am guessing one of the other (incorrect) assumption users might make
> > is that the "LTS version" is preferred over other versions. That's how
> > LTS works for Lin
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> Turns out Nico has a bundle of support modules which optimesh uses.
> I've packaged up fastfunc, there's also quadpy and meshplex.
The web of optimesh dependencies goes deeper, dependencies have
further dependencies within the nschl
On 2018-10-26 13:02:57, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
>> > 5) Is that not true anymore with Extended LTS and CIP?
>>
>> Sorry, what is not true? #4? If so, I think people should *still*
>> install the latest supported Debian release (stable or stretch right
>> now) and not LTS or ELTS, when
Hello,
Juliusz Chroboczek, le ven. 26 oct. 2018 14:41:31 +0200, a ecrit:
> In both cases, the installer crashes with no useful error message
This is not what I get.
- 32bit debian on 64bit machine: this should be working fine
- 64bit debian on 32bit machine: I get the attached message
If it's n
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On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 14:41 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been encouraging my students to install Debian on their personal
> machines, and we've found out that a lot of them get the wrong Debian
> installer:
>
> - some of them attempt to install an AMD64 version of Debian in
>
On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 11:05 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> > 3) Stop using LTS as a "label" for oldstable releases?
>
> I am not sure how that would help anything. :) I do like, however, the
> idea brought by Jeremy Stanley in a
On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 13:02 -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:05:18AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> > On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> > > 2) Say "supported by Security team" versus "supported by Freexian",
> > > instead o
My brief 2p - I hope we can improve the interaction and experience of
LTS for the whole project: although I don't use (yet) or contribute
(yet) to the LTS effort, I think it's a *great* idea and a real benefit
to Debian in the world. I'm glad some friends are able to support
themselves by working
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 08:38:01AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
I suppose, on consideration, that this boils down to me being a grumpy
pedant about language - which isn't necessarily helpful in a discussion
that's more related to technical merits
It's useful. You're pointing out bugs in our polic
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:15:36AM -0400, Marvin Renich wrote:
Sure. But that requires the admin to build a package and deal with
version number issues related to that package. E.g. A Depends: B, then
later, A Depends: B and A Breaks: B < someversion. The admin simply
wants to not install B an
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 08:17:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 14:41 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> > I've been encouraging my students to install Debian on their personal
> > machines, and we've found out that a lot of them get the wrong Debian
> > installer:
> >
> >
Le vendredi 26 octobre 2018 à 14:41:31+0200, Juliusz Chroboczek a écrit :
> […]
> Could somebody please speak with the installer people so they make sure
> that the installation fails with a friendly user message in both of the
> cases outlined above?
Regardless of the discussion, you can, and sho
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:40:34PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> > Wouter Verhelst writes:
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 11:12:57PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 01:22:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >>> I think the prerequisite for making a change
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:30:17AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:07 +0200, Wouter Verhelst
> wrote:
> >This has been discussed before and rejected. It makes no sense.
>
> technically, but a lot of sense if it helps silencing another
> instance of an "exchange standard
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