Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-20 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
Le 19 nov. 2014 21:33, "Russ Allbery" a écrit : > > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > > Which implies, I believe, that any other way of starting daemons should > > also respect policy-rc.d if it can lead to automated triggering. > > > Example: if a logrotate snippet uses "update-rc.d force-restart ...

Bug#770288: ITP: python-tasklib -- Task Warrior database interaction

2014-11-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-tasklib Version : 0.5.0 Upstream Author : Rob Golding * URL : https://github.com/robgolding63/tasklib * License : BSD-3-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : Task War

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ben Finney (2014-11-20 06:14:55) > Paul Wise writes: > >> Upstreams that want to cater to end-users can distribute prebuilt >> binary packages separately, in separate branches, zip/tarballs, >> binary packages or "app" installers. > > You'll get no disagreement from me on that. > > But a

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Vincent Danjean
Hi, On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in > /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, > for example: > > +--- > | [Unit] > | Description=Some Helpful Description > | Documentation=man:minidlda(1) > | > | [

Re: Cloudstack for Debian

2014-11-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 11/19/2014 05:00 PM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > Le 19/11/2014 14:55, Michael Meskes a écrit : > >> Also, as a bonus question to the Debian folks, should we try >> establishing a cloudstack packaging group or do we push the effort into >> the java packaging group? > > Cloudstack is more than wel

Re: Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Eric Valette
> I did not know that. It is very interesting. > > But, is there a way to be notified at upgrade time that the > system service file has been modified when there is local > (partial or full) changes ? > As a small workaround, I think I will put symlinks such as > /lib/systemd/[perhaps sub-direc

Re: Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:51:57PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Laurent Bigonville writes ("Re: Re: init system policy"): > > Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > See "man 5 sudoers" for details. > > > > You probably want to use "runuser" that has been introduced recently in > > utils-linux > > Or `reall

Bug#770337: ITP: s-el -- The long lost Emacs string manipulation library

2014-11-20 Thread Hajime MIZUNO
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Hajime Mizuno X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-emac...@lists.debian.org * Package name: s-el Version : 1.9.0 Upstream Author : Magnar Sveen * URL : https://github.com/magnars/s.el * License : GPL-3+

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) > Hi, > > On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in > > /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, > > for example: > > > > +--- > > | [Unit] > > | Description=So

Re: Cloudstack for Debian

2014-11-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/19/2014 11:40 PM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 14:55:51 +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Wido and I have been talking about bringing Cloudstack into Debian. >> There is quite a bit of work involved because several dependencies are >> not yet packaged.

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> Hi, >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in >> > /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, >> > for exa

Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bastien ROUCARIES writes: > Le 19 nov. 2014 21:33, "Russ Allbery" a écrit : >> Yes, absolutely. Likewise for cron jobs, etc. That's something that I >> don't think we're doing a great job of right now, and really should >> improve. > Could lintian help here ? Yes, although it's tricky. If a

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Seems to me this is a similar limitation as for config.d structures - as > an example apache2 is now far more modular than in the past but I no > longer as sysadmin get notified what exactly has changed when I upgrade > a system with customizations, as I did in the past

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) > 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in > >> > /lib/systemd/system an

Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Bob Proulx > Russ Allbery wrote: > > Bob Proulx writes: > > > Maybe I am missing a better alternative? > > > > update-rc.d disable > > No. That is too late. By the time you are disabling something it has > already been installed and started in postinst scripts. Using > policy-rc.d is the

Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: Didier> Systems cross-craded from Ubuntu to Debian are absolutely Didier> not supported, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Didier> issues you're seeing are in some way related to this. I've seen both these issues on pure Debian

Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 20 novembre 2014, 12.06:45 Sam Hartman a écrit : > > "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > Didier> Systems cross-craded from Ubuntu to Debian are absolutely > Didier> not supported, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the > Didier> issues you're seeing are in some

Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: Didier> Steve's suggestions stands though: separated and actionable Didier> bugs for these two issues filed on the corresponding Didier> packages are way more helpful than a general "non-sysvinit Didier> init systems are made of fail"

Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: > In that spirit. > The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd > maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected. > I don't know that filing a bug that will be immediately wontfixed will > be helpful. > I don't think sending that iss

Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 20, Sam Hartman wrote: > The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd > maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected. The behaviour of systemd will not be changed, but I have plans to add a fstab sanity check to preinst. -- ciao, Marco pgpZ

Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Noel Torres
On Thursday, 20 de November de 2014 17:53:27 Marco d'Itri escribió: > On Nov 20, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd > > maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected. > > The behaviour of systemd will not be changed, but

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ron [141119 07:21]: > I believe Bernhard explained earlier that git-dpm allows the replacement > character to be configurable (but also offers just a single character > for all replacements). git-dpm doesn't have a replacement-character configurable, but different control sequences for the vari

Help to review a patch in ELisp

2014-11-20 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Hello, I am looking for a person who knows enough to verify a ELisp patch. The patch is supposed to fix a problem of space in file names [1], upstream unfortunately does not have the in-house expertise [2]. Volunteers? Regards, [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579531 [2] ht

Help to review a patch in ELisp

2014-11-20 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Hello, I am looking for a person who knows enough to verify a ELisp patch. The patch is supposed to fix a problem of space in file names [1], upstream unfortunately does not have the in-house expertise [2]. Volunteers? Regards, [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579531 [2] ht

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-20 17:28:28) > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > >> Seems to me this is a similar limitation as for config.d structures - as >> an example apache2 is now far more modular than in the past but I no >> longer as sysadmin get notified what exactly has changed when I upgrade >>

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 17:44 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) >> 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : >> > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> >> > With systemd you can ship a

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-20 Thread Simon McVittie
On 20/11/14 19:06, Noel Torres wrote: > On Thursday, 20 de November de 2014 17:53:27 Marco d'Itri escribió: >> On Nov 20, Sam Hartman wrote: >>> The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd >>> maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected. >> >> The beh

Bug#770384: ITP: sjaakii -- computer player for Chess and variants, including Shogi and XiangQi

2014-11-20 Thread Yann Dirson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Yann Dirson * Package name: sjaakii Version : beta2 Upstream Author : Evert Glebbeek * URL : http://www.eglebbk.dds.nl/program/chess-index.html * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Sjaak II - compu

Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 06:53:27PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 20, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd > > maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected. > The behaviour of systemd will not be changed, but I have

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Philip Hands
Matthias Klumpp writes: > 2014-11-20 17:44 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : >> Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) >>> 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : >>> > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >>

Bug#770387: ITP: ruby-beaneater -- simple beanstalkd client library for Ruby

2014-11-20 Thread Apollon Oikonomopoulos
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Apollon Oikonomopoulos * Package name: ruby-beaneater Version : 0.3.3 Upstream Author : Nico Taing * URL : https://github.com/beanstalkd/beaneater * License : MIT Programming Lang: Ruby Description : simple beanst

Re: Help to review a patch in ELisp

2014-11-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Stéphane Aulery wrote: > I am looking for a person who knows enough to verify a ELisp patch. The > patch is supposed to fix a problem of space in file names [1], upstream > unfortunately does not have the in-house expertise [2]. [...] > diff -r -u cscope-15.7a/contrib/xcscope/cscope-indexer > chan

Bug#769907: A small suggestion on constructive engagement [Was, Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail]

2014-11-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 01:45:55PM -0800, Octavio Alvarez wrote: > On 19/11/14 21:32, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> 1) the problem with new feature in systemd which considers all > >> filesystems in fstab vital for system boot and stops boot if they > >> fail. It's been decided that although it is a

Bug#769907: A small suggestion on constructive engagement [Was, Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail]

2014-11-20 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 19/11/14 21:32, Steve Langasek wrote: >> 1) the problem with new feature in systemd which considers all >> filesystems in fstab vital for system boot and stops boot if they >> fail. It's been decided that although it is a change in behaviour >> that might render some systems unbootable it's tec

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Cameron Norman
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > >> Seems to me this is a similar limitation as for config.d structures - as >> an example apache2 is now far more modular than in the past but I no >> longer as sysadmin get notified what exactly has changed when I

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-20 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> Could you include some information about the upstream you are talking > about and the specific files you are concerned about? I am talking about this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769830 The package has a lintian override that I suggested, on the grounds that the incri

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:40:18 PM Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > Could you include some information about the upstream you are talking > > about and the specific files you are concerned about? > > I am talking about this bug: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769830 > > The

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Salvo Tomaselli (2014-11-20 23:40:18) >> Could you include some information about the upstream you are talking >> about and the specific files you are concerned about? > > I am talking about this bug: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769830 That's a nice bugreport. It

Re: r-base-core upload to unstable does not respect freeze policy

2014-11-20 Thread peter green
Hmmm, this is what I missed. :-( I guess the only chance is to upload to t-p-u, right? Afaict you could do a "source amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64el s390x" upload to unstable so that binaries for all release architectures were supplied by you rather than by buildds

Work-needing packages report for Nov 21, 2014

2014-11-20 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 621 (new: 12) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 148 (new: 8) Total number of packages reques

Bug#770405: ITP: libbase58 -- library for Bitcoin's base58 encoding

2014-11-20 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
Package: wnpp Severity: minor X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org pkg-bitcoin-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Package name: libbase58 Version: 0.1.3 Upstream Author: Luke Dashjr URL: https://github.com/luke-jr/libbase58 License: Expat (a.k.a. MIT), public-dom

systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-20 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi everyone, so here we are, after the freeze, and systemd stubbornly rejects to start lightdm, my default display manager, and in turn tries to start lxdm, which does not work because it is not selected as default display manager. (Bug reported to systemd already) Is there *any* way to *force* s

Bug#770410: ITP: libjson-rpc-cpp -- JSON-RPC 1.0 & 2.0 framework for C++

2014-11-20 Thread Peter Spiess-Knafl
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Peter Spiess-Knafl" * Package name: libjson-rpc-cpp Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Peter Spiess-Knafl * URL : https://github.com/cinemast/libjson-rpc-cpp * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: C++ Description : JS

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-20 Thread Russell Stuart
On Thu, 2014-11-20 at 13:46 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > > But a growing number of upstreams disagree, so those upstreams are > > likely to be actively opposed to your recommendation to patches > > which remove non-source files from the VCS repo

Let's help your Visitors Enable JavaScript with Better Instructions

2014-11-20 Thread javascriptON.com
Hi there! We're from a non-profit web project - javascriptON.com - we are showing the easy-to-do instructions to enable JavaScript for all popular browsers: Internet Explorer, Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera, Safari,... on many platform: Windows, Macintosh, Android, iOS,... DO NOT let your visit

Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/19/2014 06:14 PM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > On 18 November 2014 00:52, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 11/18/2014 03:50 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> With >>> current sysvinit the serial console is also used as main but >>> sysvinit-core does not produce any messages on tty0 whatsoever and so >>

Re: systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 21 nov 14, 09:45:51, Norbert Preining wrote: > Hi everyone, > > so here we are, after the freeze, and systemd stubbornly rejects > to start lightdm, my default display manager, and in turn tries > to start lxdm, which does not work because it is not selected as > default display manager. (B