Michael Ole Olsen wrote:
How do you hack a quick init script these days?:)
I write a systemd unit file. It’s smaller, faster to write, easier to
understand and works more reliably.
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On 10.10.14 Norbert Preining (prein...@logic.at) wrote:
Hi,
> > In any case, I think this will require a MBF, hence the CC to
> > debian-devel.
>
> Hmm, let us see the status, searching in Contents-*.gz I find
> the following packages:
>
Did you file bugs? Will it be helpful if I do?
Found m
On 10/21/2014 01:34 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> I mean, when I read that infamous guy, Poettering, talking about things
> like this:
>
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
Actually, while the rest of your post isn't helpful (or even an
annoyance), I'm happ
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Michael Ole Olsen wrote:
> suddenly I couldnt just place a script in rc2.d folder anymore, needed to
> symlink
> needed to add an lsb header too it seems
Indeed.
It took me quite some effort to learn about LSB headers, exit codes,
SYSV init scripts, and all that, in order t
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> So, dear fellow DDs, I'm asking you: each time you see that an upstream
> author is breaking an ABI on a package you maintain, write an email to
> him/her, and explain how much this is bad and shouldn't happen. If the
> Unix community starts to realize
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:04:03 +0200 (CEST)
Moritz Tacke wrote:
> >>* What led up to the situation?
> >> After the last upgrade, the system would not halt any more.
> >> Instead, it runs into a restart cycle. The restart bypasses GRUB,
> >> i.e. one a computer with multiple OS, it restarts linu
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:28:07 +0200, Josselin Mouette
wrote:
>Michael Ole Olsen wrote:
> How do you hack a quick init script these days?:)
>
>I write a systemd unit file. It’s smaller, faster to write, easier to
>understand and works more reliably.
And it is also a bug to not have an init
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:12:20 +0200
Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > So, dear fellow DDs, I'm asking you: each time you see that an
> > upstream author is breaking an ABI on a package you maintain, write
> > an email to him/her, and explain how much this is bad and shouldn't
> > happen. If the Unix comm
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 08:45:04PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2014-10-19, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 04:39:20PM +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> >> > What I know of is
> >> > - large parts of boost and
> >> > - seqan.
> >>
> >> If you are looking for samples: mpfrc++ [1]
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reassign 757941 libc6
forcemerge 754813 757941
severity 754813 important
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On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 09:58:
Konstantin Khomoutov dixit:
>Sometimes we have to run software which is neither Open Source nor Free
>on our systems which are (luckily) Open Source and Free.
Things like f-prot are shipped statically linked, when in their
binary form for OpenBSD. And binary compatibility only goes so
far either
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Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
> OpenBSD’s libc.so major number is 50 or something like that right now,
> because they – correctly – increment it on every incompatible change.
>
Glibc has versioned symbols instead …
> This is not a problem because, you know, we have Open Source, so we
> can always just re
On 10/20/2014 at 01:50 PM, Axel Wagner wrote:
> Hi Thorsten,
>
> Thorsten Glaser writes:
>>
>>> "If you don't want to use my software on general principles, go
>>> away and write your own. Do not bother me."
>>>
>>> This principle is hardly specific to systemd.
>>
>> Yes, but other upstreams
On 10/20/2014 at 11:59 AM, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 09:32:54AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
>> David Kalnischkies:
>>> This isn't trying harder, it is trying increasingly incorrect
>>> solutions to the problem because aptitude assumes the users is
>>> not able to e
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The Wanderer wrote:
This is the problem. The init system should not be providing "features"
which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make use
of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly all? - of the other
init-system candidates don't
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On 10/21/2014 at 10:03 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> This is the problem. The init system should not be providing
>> "features" which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown,
>> want to make use of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly
>> all? - of the
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the process
> which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not possible to
> ensure the relation of a log to a service if you do not have awareness
> of how the service was launched. Et c
On 10/21/2014 at 10:13 AM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
>> not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the
>> process which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not
>> possible to ensure the relation of a log to a service if you d
On 10/21/2014 04:13 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the process
>> which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not possible to
>> ensure the relation of a log to a service if you do not h
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:03:10 +0200
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
> This is the problem. The init system should not be providing
> "features" which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown,
> want to make use of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly
> al
Hi,
The Wanderer:
> > Can you give an example of people doing that in case of systemd?
> > Because so far, everything I heard was similar to GNOME, where:
> > • systemd provided a feature.
>
> This is the problem. The init system should not be providing "features"
> which other software might, po
Hi,
I'm the maintainer for src:librabbitmq and the binary package
librabbitmq1 is linked against libssl1.0.0 (OpenSSL).
Now I was approached by Julien Kerihuel from the OpenChange project, who
release their software under the terms of GPL-3, asking if I could
provide an alternative to the OpenSSL
Why just not add a license exception as many other GPL projects do?
Something like (copied from our Knot DNS d/copyright):
In addition, as a special exception, the author of this program gives
permission to link the code of its release with the OpenSSL project's
"OpenSSL" library (or with modi
On 21/10/14 15:32, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
It did not work, yes. That's why, for example, fail2ban can be used by
local users to deny access to other users[1].
With that said, if that fact *actually matters*, you probably have
other, worse problems.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014, at 16:13, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the process
> > which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not possible to
> > ensure the relation of a log to a service if y
Ondřej, could you please stop your aggressive behaviour against other
people on this list? Sadly, you are not very helpful with these remarks.
Repeatedly.
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On 10/21/2014 04:43 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 21/10/14 15:32, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> It did not work, yes. That's why, for example, fail2ban can be used by
>> local users to deny access to other users[1].
>
> With that said, if that fact *actually matters*, you probably have
> other, worse p
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Norbert, could you please stop your aggressive behaviour against other
> people on this list? Sadly, you are not very funny with these remarks.
Come on Ondřej, that was just sarcastic to me.
The CoC is a good thing, though such attitude t
Hi,
Neil Williams:
> A relation of a log to a service is mere configuration - a conffile is
> all that is needed for that example.
>
No it's not. You need code which captures all of a daemon's output (and its
children -- stdout+stderr+syslog), separately from any other daemon, and
log it in a way
On 10/21/2014 at 10:35 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Wanderer:
>
>>> Can you give an example of people doing that in case of systemd?
>>> Because so far, everything I heard was similar to GNOME, where:
>>> • systemd provided a feature.
>>
>> This is the problem. The init system shou
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 16:03 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
> This is the problem. The init system should not be providing
> "features"
> which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make
> use
> of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and
hi matthias,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> [...]
> first place. Having ten processes responsible for bits&pieces of what
> systemd-as-PID1 does instead of one isn't a benefit -- not if all you gain
> by that is nine additional processes.
>
> "It's a big monol
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2014-10-21 17:24 GMT+02:00 Robert Lemmen :
> hi matthias,
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> [...]
>> first place. Having ten processes responsible for bits&pieces of what
>> systemd-as-PID1 does instead of one isn't a benefit -- not if all you gain
>> by that
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:39:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> Did you play around with systemd already?
not as much as would be ideal, but I have been running it on one
machine, adapted a few things that I run for starting, and trieid the
monitoring/restart. but really, my main
Hi,
The Wanderer:
> None of those things are done exclusively at boot / shutdown time, so
> they should not be done by the init system. If they are done at all,
> they should be done by something which can run and do them under any
> init system.
>
The whole point of an init system is to start pr
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:22:32PM +, Joey Hess wrote:
> tasksel (3.29) unstable; urgency=high
> .
>* Gnome only works on i386 and amd64, so default to xfce on other arches.
> Closes: #765839 Thanks, Adam Borowski for testing.
Gnome only works on i386 and amd64?
Maybe we should sub
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>* Gnome only works on i386 and amd64, so default to xfce on other
arches.
> Closes: #765839 Thanks, Adam Borowski for testing.
Gnome only works on i386 and amd64?
GNOME works on all Linux architectures.
GNOME *without hardware 3D*
Hi,
The Wanderer writes:
> This is the problem. The init system should not be providing "features"
> which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make use
> of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly all? - of the other
> init-system candidates don't either.) Such featu
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:14:35AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > These features cannot exist separately.
>
> If that is the case, then they should not be provided at all.
>
> That is a core disagreement here; the systemd upstream plainly rank
> those as features more valuable than either the pri
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:41:27PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Why just not add a license exception as many other GPL projects do?
> Something like (copied from our Knot DNS d/copyright):
>
> In addition, as a special exception, the author of this program gives
> permission to link the code of
The Wanderer dijo [Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:10:41AM -0400]:
> >>> Can you give an example of people doing that in case of systemd?
> >>> Because so far, everything I heard was similar to GNOME, where:
> >>> • systemd provided a feature.
> >>
> >> This is the problem. The init system should not be p
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On Ma, 21 oct 14, 09:08:26, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> What I think is being asked for (and what I'd certainly like to see,
> anyway) is a way for the user, having figured out which packages they
> don't want removed, to tell the aptitude resolver that and have it taken
> into account in calculating
Hello, fellows.
First, I'm correcting the misspelling of the God dammit subject. I'm
not a native English speaker, but since it's the so called universal
language to communicate with everyone else subscribed to it, I think
everyone should, at least, check grammar and spelling before submitting
me
Hi,
>> I write a systemd unit file. It’s smaller, faster to write, easier to
>> understand and works more reliably.
>
> And it is also a bug to not have an init script since we still have
> ports that do not use systemd.
And this is also completely irrelevant as the question was about quickly
h
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> GNOME works on all Linux architectures.
>
> GNOME *without hardware 3D* will probably have big trouble running
> anywhere but on i386 and amd64.
> So in the real world, it depends on the architectures:
> * real-world desktop powerpc hardware comes with hardware 3D
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 07:46:25PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Santiago Vila wrote:
> >* Gnome only works on i386 and amd64, so default to xfce on
> other arches.
> > Closes: #765839 Thanks, Adam Borowski for testing.
>
> Gnome only works on i386 an
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 23:40 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 07:46:25PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Santiago Vila wrote:
> > >* Gnome only works on i386 and amd64, so default to xfce on
> > other arches.
> > > Closes: #765839 Thanks, Adam Boro
[Sorry for slow response, testing this on one's main machine requires
dropping too much state...] I should have CCed the bug earlier, doing this
now.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:37:04PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote:
> > * the Utopia stack (restart, shutdown, suspend, hibernate, mounting USB
> > d
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:13:45 +0200, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> Found more two packages in non-free:
>
> sid:~# zgrep usr/share/doc/texmf/
> /var/cache/apt/apt-file/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_*|awk -F " " '{print
> $2}'|sort|uniq
> non-free/doc/context-doc-nonfree
> non-free/tex/foiltex
>
> I
El mar, 21 de oct 2014 a las 7:03 , Josselin Mouette
escribió:
The Wanderer wrote:
This is the problem. The init system should not be providing
"features"
which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want
to make use
of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most -
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:23:39PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote:
> El mar, 21 de oct 2014 a las 7:03 , Josselin Mouette
> escribió:
> >The Wanderer wrote:
> >This is the problem. The init system should not be
> >providing "features"
> >which other software might, post-boot and pre-
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 16:03 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > The Wanderer wrote:
> > This is the problem. The init system should not be providing
> > "features"
> > which other software might, post-boot and pre-s
On 10/21/2014 at 11:39 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2014-10-21 17:24 GMT+02:00 Robert Lemmen :
>
>> hi matthias,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>>> first place. Having ten processes responsible for bits&pieces of
>>> what systemd-as-PID1 does instead of
The Wanderer writes:
> At a glance at the sysvinit source, it doesn't look to me like
> /sbin/init itself does service management, in the "starting, stopping
> and monitoring services" form; at most, it seems to handle some subset
> of the "monitoring" part, in the form of noticing when something
Le mardi 21 octobre 2014 à 16:23 -0700, Cameron Norman a écrit :
> Also, I do not understand the log statement. Once again, Upstart can
> hook up a job's stdout/err to a file in /var/log/upstart/, but I am
> not exactly sure what was being said so maybe I missed the point.
I don’t understand how y
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> * real-world ARM hardware comes with hardware 3D and non-free
> drivers
...and free drivers for Qualcomm Adreno GPUs:
http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.com/2013/06/freedreno-gnome-shell-on-nexus4a320.html
freedreno appears
Le mardi 21 octobre 2014 à 16:39 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> #765839 has it tested failing on multiple real-world ARM hardware
> (with proprietary 3D drivers).
Thanks for the pointer.
It looks like this is a bug in either of cogl or the drivers themselves.
Which makes me wonder: how is it that t
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