On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Paul Wise writes:
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> >> Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I
> >> called "insane" in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due
> >> t
Hey all,
I have hacked together a PoC systemd2init shell script on top of
augeas-tools (you need at least jessie version) to autogenerate sysv-rc
script out of simple service file.
It can handle:
Environment
EnvironmentFile
ExecStart
ExecReload
PidFile
Description
Right now you need to put the
Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-14 09:06:34)
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Paul Wise writes:
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>
Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is
what I called "insane" in the RFP an
Quoting Chris Bannister (2014-02-14 05:10:05)
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:06:10PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> This mailinglist is, after all, a list about developing Debian. If
>> your interest is only in *using* Debian e.g. for own package
>> development, then our debian-user lists are m
Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them.
Where's linus in all of this?
The systemd fans ban anyone who say f__k-that to systemd.
What can we do?
Can we fork debian? (Why do we have to...)
Why do 4 people get to decide to send thousands and thousands of people into
the
Russ Allbery schrieb:
> Paul Wise writes:
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
>>> Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I
>>> called "insane" in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due
>>> to:
>
>> Also, I expect the security team wou
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for
libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge stream
of security issues trickling in. We need definitely need to pick one
solution only.
And
Hi,
ChaosEsque Team writes:
> Everyone knows that the systemd crap is armtwisting and trys to
> pull everyone and everything along with it.
Please provide some numbers on this statement of fact. I believe (and
will continue to believe) that the strong supporters of sysvinit within
the developmen
On 02/14/2014 12:01 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> I have hacked together a PoC systemd2init shell script on top of
> augeas-tools (you need at least jessie version) to autogenerate sysv-rc
> script out of simple service file.
Cool! Thanks for hacking this together. I'd guess this could be
very helpful
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:52:01PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:17:46PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > See https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=html2text - you can only
> > hope that I've build it in a clean environment and there aint a logfile for
> > the am
* Wouter Verhelst , 2014-02-14, 14:01:
I'm told there's at least some magic address you can mail the logs to,
but I never remember what it is. (It's all a workaround anyway.)
l...@buildd.debian.org
The mail's subject has to be in the format that buildd uses, though:
Subject: Log for successf
Hi Adrian,
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 13:33, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 12:01 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > I have hacked together a PoC systemd2init shell script on top of
> > augeas-tools (you need at least jessie version) to autogenerate sysv-rc
> > script out of simple service
Quoting Stephan Seitz (2014-02-14 13:32:41)
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> >But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for
> >libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge
> >stream of security issues trickling in. We
Hi,
ChaosEsque Team:
> Everyone knows that the systemd crap [...]
Well, having used systemd for the past umpteen momnths, I can state from
personal knowledge that it works rather well. "Crap" by definition does
not, therefore systemd es not crap.
Ergo, your main premise is hereby refuted.
*NOW*
On 14/02/2014, Axel Wagner wrote:
> ChaosEsque Team writes:
>> Everyone knows that the systemd crap is armtwisting and trys to
>> pull everyone and everything along with it.
>
> I believe (and
> will continue to believe) that the strong supporters of sysvinit within
> the development community of
JFTR I have added support for ExecStop, Exec{Start,Stop}{Pre,Post} and
X-Debian-Daemonize (to pass extra arguments to the daemon when
Type=simple and you want it to daemonize).
The shell script is still far from the universal and complete tool, but
it really makes me wonder – it was really a GSoC
Hi
I've put cobbler packaging to collab-maint/cobbler.git, which is based
on the original ubuntu package but has been cleaned up for the most
part. Some ubuntuisms still remain, and some patches need to be sent
upstream for merging.
But it doesn't have an ITP yet, since I'm not sure if
+++ Stephan Seitz [2014-02-14 13:32 +0100]:
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> >But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for
> >libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge stream
> >of security issues trickling in. We n
On 14 February 2014 13:42, ChaosEsque Team wrote:
> The systemd fans ban anyone who say f__k-that to systemd.
Not respecting the communication culture of the project is a perfectly
reasonable reason for a ban, regardless of the opinion expressed by
the banned or held by the banners.
> What can w
On 02/14/2014 07:01 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I have hacked together a PoC systemd2init shell script on top of
> augeas-tools (you need at least jessie version) to autogenerate sysv-rc
> script out of simple service file.
>
> It can handle:
>
> Environment
> EnvironmentFile
> ExecSta
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 02:10:38PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Wouter Verhelst , 2014-02-14, 14:01:
> >>I'm told there's at least some magic address you can mail the
> >>logs to, but I never remember what it is. (It's all a
> >>workaround anyway.)
> >
> >l...@buildd.debian.org
> >
> >The mail's s
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 04:39:25PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Are buildd people happy with humans sending their logs this way?
>
> Well, I am, but it's probably not my call.
Which keyring does it use to validate? Can DMs send logs? Does it
validate at all, or can some script kiddies use it
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42:16AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> Which keyring does it use to validate? Can DMs send logs? Does it
> validate at all, or can some script kiddies use it as a pastebin
> service? :)
The logs aren't signed, so it only validates the Subject line.
This has been un-abu
Matthias Urlichs dijo [Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 02:13:34PM +0100]:
> I hereby formally ask the listmasters to please block these persons(?);
> enough is enough.
Sadly, banning explicitly anonymous, cowardish people hiding behind a
funny alias... Is quite a burden that I don't think we can put on our
l
[ dropping insane number of offtopic Cc:s ]
ChaosEsque Team dijo [Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 03:42:47AM -0800]:
> Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them.
> Where's linus in all of this?
He is maintaining a kernel, not userland?
> What can we do?
> Can we fork debian? (Why d
On 02/14/2014 01:33 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 12:01 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> I have hacked together a PoC systemd2init shell script on top of
>> augeas-tools (you need at least jessie version) to autogenerate sysv-rc
>> script out of simple service file.
>
> Cool! Thank
On 13/02/2014 21:25, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:38:55PM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Holger Levsen
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, Jakub Wilk wrote:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poor_man
Thomas Goirand writes:
> What about exploring Ian Jackson's idea, which was to hack a debhelper
> that would generate things for multiple init systems?
Can I file RC bugs when that breaks horribly? (Because it will.)
I would suggest not going down that route, it only leads to pain and
suffering
Moritz Mühlenhoff writes:
> Russ Allbery schrieb:
>> If they're now diverging separate source bases, this isn't really
>> different than the other cases where upstreams have forked and for
>> various reasons we've found uses for both implementations.
> But we still try to minimise such cases as
Hi Adrian,
Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option
> (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie
> based on the information that is available today?
Honestly, I don't t
Fabian Greffrath writes:
> Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
>> Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option
>> (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie
>> based on the information that is available today?
>
Hi,
Aigars Mahinovs:
> Debian appears to have some important requirements and wishes that
> current upstream does not consider valid.
Do we? Which?
I only see one, which is to run on non-Linux kernels.
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I have to admit that I did *not* expect this.
At all.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
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On 14/02/14 19:15, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all.
>
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
>
Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that
Debian choosing systemd woul
Moritz, what's the security team's opinion on ffmpeg being reintroduced
as a binary package (providing /usr/bin/ffmpeg) only?
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Excerpts from Timo Aaltonen's message of 2014-02-14 05:49:38 -0800:
>
> Hi
>
> I've put cobbler packaging to collab-maint/cobbler.git, which is based
> on the original ubuntu package but has been cleaned up for the most
> part. Some ubuntuisms still remain, and some patches need to be sent
previously on this list Gunnar Wolf contributed:
> > Everyone knows that the systemd crap is armtwisting and trys to
> > pull everyone and everything along with it.
>
> Please provide some numbers on this statement of fact. I believe (and
> will continue to believe) that the strong supporters o
previously on this list Brian May contributed:
> After the damage is done, probably easier to find the malware that did it
Assuming the damage is visible?
> All rants aside, I believe there's a fairly wide agreement that we
> should throw away binaries from builds.
>> I'd encourage something
On 02/14/2014 07:59 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> That IS twisting things in true pro systemd style.
That's not twisting, he is just asking for something proof such claims,
nothing more.
> It would seem wrong (again this is
> before I've found time in looking at the details of the members
> reasoni
On 14 February 2014 18:57, Clint Byrum wrote:
> Excerpts from Timo Aaltonen's message of 2014-02-14 05:49:38 -0800:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've put cobbler packaging to collab-maint/cobbler.git, which is based
>> on the original ubuntu package but has been cleaned up for the most
>> part. Some ubunt
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Bernard
* Package name: xcape
Version : 0.1
Upstream Author : Albin Olsson
* URL : https://github.com/alols/xcape
* License : GPLv3
Programming Lang: C
Description : Configure modifier keys to act as other ke
Hi,
Daniel Pocock:
> > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all.
>
> Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that
> Debian choosing systemd would effectively be a death sentence for Upstart
So did/do I. But that doesn't mean that I expected Mark to acknowledge
th
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jonas Genannt
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Hash: SHA256
* Package name: haproxyctl
Version : 1.2.0
Upstream Author : Carlo Flores
* URL : https://github.com/flores/haproxyctl
* License : MIT / Expat
Programming
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 06:46:37PM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> > Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option
> > (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jess
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 19:15 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
That's really interesting... and disturbing... in so many ways.
First, while I don't like everything about systemd, I was/am in favour
of it (as long as we can keep the non-Linux ports alive
[Christoph Anton Mitterer]
> btw: And quite obviously, this post is not about bashing upstart,..
No, and it's also not about Debian. Could we ... do our Canonical
bashing somewhere else? Please? Thanks.
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On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 07:40:20PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all.
> >
> > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
> >
>
> Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that
> Debian choosing systemd would effectively be
On Feb 14, 2014, at 07:40 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that
>Debian choosing systemd would effectively be a death sentence for Upstart
Keep in mind that (just as before the ctte decision and Mark's announcement)
Upstart is free software, l
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de):
> On 02/11/2014 04:18 PM, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > FWIW, disagree - I rarely set up a machine (little laptop or server or
> > container) where I don't need to do one thing or another custom at boot.
> > Throttle back cpus to prevent o
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie?
Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two
forks is the way to go.
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On Feb 15, Paul Wise wrote:
> > But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie?
> Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two
> forks is the way to go.
A fork exists exactly because the upstream developers do not want to
collaborate, not becau
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:47:36PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-14 09:06:34)
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> Paul Wise writes:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >>
> Having both sets of libraries
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