On 11/02/14 15:19, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Yes, that's my proposal, and as well deprecate sysv-rc in the favor of
> OpenRC, and allow OpenRC runscript files *only* if there's support for
> the default init system (because this way the default init system will
> not use them, so the runscript format
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
You are way out of line.
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Hi there,
I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from
what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect.
I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC,
but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too many) of my fellow
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:39:10 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> While they loose the warranty which is my main point.
>
Who needs a warranty when it's so straight forward. These days you have
an engine with a "management system" which you have to fix or convince
the mechanic that the "mana
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:37:59 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Arch, openSUSE and Fedora are among the most popular and widely
> used Linux distributions where most of the upstream development
> happens.
>
Show me the numbers, I completely disagree and developers from those
ditributions s
Dominik George writes:
> I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from
> what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect.
> I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC,
> but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too man
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On 11/02/2014 22:45, Dominik George wrote:
> I do not know how many of them are trolls, but the content I had to read
> on this mailing list in the last days is clearly intolerable.
>
> systemd, be it as one init system or as the only init system, wil
Hi,
Maas Verri:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
In some (if not most) jurisdictions, this email would be enough to earn
you a stern talking-to by the local police and/or public prosecutor.
Please refrain from sending further hate mails.
Thank you.
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The discussions on init system have discovered much energy of
developers and users,
so I think they are able to use that energy to support multiple systems :-)
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On 11/02/14 21:23, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
> Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
>
>> About The Thread.
>
> The Thread That Shall Not Be Named. (to be more precise :)
>
Apply to the thread of your choice - unfortunately there are more than
one
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
It *should* go without saying, but I want to make it clear that as an
upstart developer, I find this message reprehensible and absolutely
unacceptable. I have technical
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
This is, of course, absolutely intolerable. Regardless of how strongly
you might feel about any technical issue within Debian, resorting to
threats of any kind of violen
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 01:18:57PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> > Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> It *should* go without saying, but I want to make it clear that as an
> upstart developer, I find
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:48:07AM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Matthias Urlichs
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > vita...@yourcmc.ru:
> >> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
> >>
> > Why? (Seriously.)
>
> To use standard text based tools, e
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:38:16PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >>5) After all, I don't see why writing 1 regexp is a hard task. And
> >>it won't be really slower because of (4).
> >
> >A regexp is unreliable and slow. Lots of ssh blocking tools have had
> >various security issues due to this.
On 02/11/2014 11:46 AM, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
Are you aware that saying "let's physically beat systemd
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| PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.:
| FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
| | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
| Thank you, |
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:30:07PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >Here's a challenge then: Implement everything the journal does, without
> >using a binary format, and show us it's not only doable, but performs
> >similarly.
> >
> >I would first recommend you read up - and try! - what the journa
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-11 20:01 +0100]:
> On 02/11/2014 04:19 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 02/11/2014 05:27 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> No, it's absolutely not. You can have the choice for the interior
> >> design, the paint job, the radio, the type of engine and c
+1
On Feb 11, 2014 7:09 PM, "Marco d'Itri" wrote:
> +---+ .:\:\:/:/:.
> | PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.:
> | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> | | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> |
On 02/12/2014 01:26 AM, Wookey wrote:
> Anyone trying to win an argument by suggesting that changing bits of my
> car is a _bad_ thing has a very cock-eyed view of the world.
Ever heard of the German TUEV?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein
They will show you who
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:26:11PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >You can tell it to do that, yes. You can also set it to forward them to
> >rsyslog without storing anything. Or both.
> >
> >Read http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/journald.conf.5.html and be
> >enlightened. ;-)
>
> OK, it's g
Wookey writes:
> I've changed all of those bits on my cars at some point, and the fact
> that it was relatively simple to do was, and is, a good thing. I've
> never owned a car with a warranty, and as they only come with one for
> the first few years, they are not that relevant to the majority of
On 02/12/2014 02:21 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I agree wholeheartedly with Wookey on this. If systemd were actually some
> sort of closed black box, I would not want to run it on my systems.
>
> (a poem)
Seriously, Russ, you should be a writer or a politician *. You're a
wizard with words. I enjoy
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:50:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Your email has no old Subject:, no References: and no In-Reply-To: headers.
> So … whatever or whoever you're talking about …
I was confused what it was about too.
I think I've been over-eager with the ^D key in mutt again.
It was
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:35 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Seriously, Russ, you should be a writer or a politician *. You're a
> wizard with words. I enjoyed reading that :).
Russ for DPL!
https://lwn.net/Articles/585238/
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:04:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:39:09PM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
> >
> > That wasn't clear to me in your previous messages, which is why I
> > presumed you were wanting someone to transition the consumers of the
> > file not the file
2014-02-11 15:16 GMT-04:30 Maas Verri :
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
>
> They are wresting from all of us a nice unix like OS, th
Le Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:06:42AM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
>
> That being said, I don't have access to most of the packages. Even if I
> did, it feels "dirty" to go and commit to a couple hundred packages I
> have no involvement with instead of adapting two pieces of software to
> deal with
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:18:50PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:51:33PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > Well if a bug can be solved by killing the buggy process and getting better
> > functionality than when the process is running is certainly a very very bad
> > bug!
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