On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Stewart Smith wrote:
> I'm Stewart and I work for Percona. One of the things I'm currently
> working on is ensuring all our free and open source software projects
> are packaged for all the major linux distributions - including my
> beloved Debian.
Since you are pa
❦ 2 juillet 2013 09:20 CEST, Paul Wise :
>> Why is the tarball so big and why did it require an internet connection?
>> Well, XtraBackup uses *part* of the MySQL code (actually, mostly parts
>> of InnoDB)
>
> An alternative to including the MySQL InnoDB code might be to
> build-depend on mysql-
Hi,
Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
the BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (
https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/56.html). This hasn't
been reflected in release tarball (probably by mistake), but since the
AGPLv3 is not very friendly to downstream p
Excerpts from Paul Wise's message of 2013-07-02 00:20:36 -0700:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Stewart Smith wrote:
>
> > I'm Stewart and I work for Percona. One of the things I'm currently
> > working on is ensuring all our free and open source software projects
> > are packaged for all the ma
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Paul Wise writes:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Stewart Smith wrote:
>
>> I'm Stewart and I work for Percona. One of the things I'm currently
>> working on is ensuring all our free and open source software projects
>> are packaged for all the major linux distributions - including my
>> beloved
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Stewart Smith wrote:
> I'll investigate this first thing in the morning (it's getting late),
> although it looks as though the tar.gz didn't fully download (yes, it's
> really 135MB)
Looks like your tarball is named incorrectly (tar.gz instead of
orig.tar.gz) and y
Vincent Bernat writes:
> ❦ 2 juillet 2013 09:20 CEST, Paul Wise :
>
>>> Why is the tarball so big and why did it require an internet connection?
>>> Well, XtraBackup uses *part* of the MySQL code (actually, mostly parts
>>> of InnoDB)
>>
>> An alternative to including the MySQL InnoDB code migh
Paul Wise writes:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Stewart Smith wrote:
>
>> I'll investigate this first thing in the morning (it's getting late),
>> although it looks as though the tar.gz didn't fully download (yes, it's
>> really 135MB)
>
> Looks like your tarball is named incorrectly (tar.gz i
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> I think changing /etc/resolv.conf automatically is broken at all.
What's the malfunction?
> We should have a generated /run/resolv.conf that's overridden by the
> settings in /etc/resolv.conf (if it exists). This allows you to have a
> consistent set of domains searched
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change the
> BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/
> 56.html). This hasn't been reflected in release tarball (probably by
> mis
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:15:15AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> Again, why do you plan on removing free software from main due to a
> change in license?
As algernon points out, it makes slightly more sense when you remember
that the AGPLv3 is not compatable with the GPLv2
I'm still against re
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to
> change the
> > BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (
> https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/
> > 56.
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 09:35 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:15:15AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> > Again, why do you plan on removing free software from main due to a
> > change in license?
>
> As algernon points out, it makes slightly more sense when you remember
>
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> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
> > the
> > BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/
> > 56.html). This hasn't been reflected in
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 09:44 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to
> change the BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3
> (https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/56.html). This
> hasn't been reflected in release tarball (probably by mi
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> I think we should just keep libdb5.3 until a suitable replacement shows
> up.
The OpenLDAP lightningdb might be a viable option: http://symas.com/mdb/
O.
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> Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > I think changing /etc/resolv.conf automatically is broken at all.
>
> What's the malfunction?
Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
> > We should have a generated /run/resolv.conf that's overridden by the
> > settings in /etc/resolv.co
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondrej Sury wrote:
> Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
> the BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (
> https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/56.html).
:
> we (as the Debian project) need to take a decision.
:
Thanks Dan for this comprehensive email.
I'll take ITP bug for libmdb (#694757) under pkg-db umbrella, as it will
affect Berkeley DB, so it makes sense to have it there.
People are most welcome to join the team, as I am the only active person in
the team.
O.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Dan
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 03:36:57PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> apt-get is licensed GPLv2 and thus incompatible with AGPLv3.
No, apt is GPL-2+.
> cyrus-{imapd,sasl} has BSD-style license and thus incompatible with AGPLv3.
> OpenLDAP has BSD-style (OpenLDAP) license and thus incompatible with AGPLv
(Written on my phone).
I have worked with original information from Florian's follow-up to transition
bug. Sorry for not checking apt license myself. Anyway... effectivelly
relicensing apt to GPL-3 might not be a problem for apt (and all its rev-deps),
but it is a still problem for all other so
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 05:22:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Also it would cultivate the debate here if you have presented your arguments
> (e.g. explain why I might be mistaken) instead of presenting just the ad
> hominem arguments. Thanks.
I am not a lawyer, though I work for lawyers. It wo
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Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> An AGPL licenced libdb isn't particularly useful for us, though. It'd
> mean distributing a fair amount of software including exim, postfix,
> squid, webalizer, dovecot and many other servers under the AGPL, which
> would mean patching them so you could download the source
Joey Hess writes:
> Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the
> Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users
> interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your version
> supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 05:22:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > Also it would cultivate the debate here if you have presented your
> arguments (e.g. explain why I might be mistaken) instead of presenting just
> the ad hominem arguments. Thanks
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Clint Adams wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 05:22:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> > Also it would cultivate the debate here if you have presented your
>> arguments (e.g. explain why I might be mistaken) in
* Paul Tagliamonte:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
>> the
>> BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/
>> 56.html). This hasn't been reflected in rele
Ondřej Surý writes:
> Just to clarify – I am not in any way opposed to the hereditary
> properties of (A)GPL. The evil thing is the relicensing at the point
> where people depend on you, and not the license itself.
I don't believe the AGPL was ever intended to be used for libraries.
Quite a bit
2013/7/2 Russ Allbery :
> I don't believe the AGPL was ever intended to be used for libraries.
> Quite a bit of the license is very difficult to interpret as applied to a
> library. (For example, does that mean that every application using the
> library has to provide a URL to download the source
On 2 July 2013 17:58, Nick Andrik wrote:
> 2013/7/2 Russ Allbery :
>> I don't believe the AGPL was ever intended to be used for libraries.
>> Quite a bit of the license is very difficult to interpret as applied to a
>> library. (For example, does that mean that every application using the
>> libr
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Nick Andrik wrote:
> 2013/7/2 Russ Allbery :
> > I don't believe the AGPL was ever intended to be used for libraries.
> > Quite a bit of the license is very difficult to interpret as applied to a
> > library. (For example, does that mean that every application usi
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 18:58:34 +0200, Nick Andrik wrote:
> Since AGPLv3 is really similar to GPLv3 but mostly oriented for
> webapplications, would it make sense to contact Oracle with the
> concerns raised in this thread and ask for clarification and possible
> consideration to change to licens
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:58:34PM +0200, Nick Andrik wrote:
> Since AGPLv3 is really similar to GPLv3 but mostly oriented for
> webapplications, would it make sense to contact Oracle with the
> concerns raised in this thread and ask for clarification and possible
> consideration to change to licen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Richard Fontana wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:20:48PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > I don't believe I have spread any FUD.
> >
> [...]
> > 2. AGPLv3 is incompatible with Apache 2.0 license (
> http://www.apache.org/
> > licenses/GPL-compatibility.html)
>
> On
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:40:11 +0200 Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Paul Tagliamonte:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> >> Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
> >> the
> >> BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (https://oss.oracle.com/piperm
Le 02/07/2013 16:35, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
> Thanks Dan for this comprehensive email.
>
> I'll take ITP bug for libmdb (#694757) under pkg-db umbrella, as it will
> affect Berkeley DB, so it makes sense to have it there.
>
> People are most welcome to join the team, as I am the only active person
Dan Shearer wrote:
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Ondrej Sury wrote:
Florian Weimer has correctly pointed out that Oracle has decided to change
the BDB 6.0 license to AGPLv3 (
https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/bdb/2013-June/56.html).
:
we (as the Debian project) need to take
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:20:48PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> I don't believe I have spread any FUD.
>
[...]
> 2. AGPLv3 is incompatible with Apache 2.0 license (http://www.apache.org/
> licenses/GPL-compatibility.html)
Only in the same sense that GPL or LGPL (any version) is incompatible
with a
* Paul Tagliamonte [130702 15:15]:
> Again, why do you plan on removing free software from main due to a
> change in license?
Licenses matter. Just because something it acceptable for Debian
main does not mean it is a good idea to have something licensed under
a specific license. So removing stuf
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
If /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to somewhere else, then it's
appropriate for automatic processes to override it by writing to
"somewhere else". If it's not a symlink, then it shouldn't be
overridden
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
If /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to somewhere else, then it's
appropriate for automatic processes to override it by writing to
"somewhere else". If it's not a symlink, then it
* Julien Cristau:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 18:58:34 +0200, Nick Andrik wrote:
>
>> Since AGPLv3 is really similar to GPLv3 but mostly oriented for
>> webapplications, would it make sense to contact Oracle with the
>> concerns raised in this thread and ask for clarification and possible
>> conside
* Howard Chu:
> We can provide plenty more documentation on LMDB performance and
> reliability if desired.
Can you cope with incompletely written pages (e.g., only the first 512
bytes of a page is written) or write reordering between fsyncs?
Berkeley DB doesn't deal with torn writes, either, but
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 12:38:24PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
> >On Tue, 02 Jul 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> >>Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
> >If /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to somewhere else, then it's
> >appropriate for automatic processes to over
Hi,
I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code
will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and
Linux will be several years back of course. Anybody has an idea on how
old Linux
Florian Weimer wrote:
* Howard Chu:
We can provide plenty more documentation on LMDB performance and
reliability if desired.
Can you cope with incompletely written pages (e.g., only the first 512
bytes of a page is written) or write reordering between fsyncs?
Berkeley DB doesn't deal with to
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 10:24:40PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
> gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code
> will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and
> Linu
Svante Signell, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:24:40 +0200, a écrit :
> I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
> gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution!
I don't see why there should be such a need. By Debian's standards
GPLv2 is GFDL-compliant.
Samuek
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 21:53:45 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Previous versions of Berkeley DB have been released under the
> Sleepycat license, which is actually a copyleft license.
Right, my bad. I forgot about that oddity.
Cheers,
Julien
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Samuel Thibault, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:29:46 +0200, a écrit :
> Svante Signell, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:24:40 +0200, a écrit :
> > I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
> > gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution!
>
> I don't see why there should be such a need.
* Howard Chu:
> We require that fsync() (actually fdatasync()) doesn't lie. Data pages
> can be written in any order, as long as all outstanding data pages are
> actually written by the time fsync returns. Given this constraint, you
> can pull the power on a drive and the DB will still be fine.
A
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 21:29 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 10:24:40PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
> > gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code
> > will not
Svante Signell writes:
> Sorry Ben, I'm serious about this. GPLv2 is evil wrt progress, and I
> still would like to know how many years Linux would back until the first
> V2 only statement. Of course you cannot answer this question, but maybe
> somebody else.
It's not just Linux, and the only wa
Florian Weimer wrote:
* Howard Chu:
We require that fsync() (actually fdatasync()) doesn't lie. Data pages
can be written in any order, as long as all outstanding data pages are
actually written by the time fsync returns. Given this constraint, you
can pull the power on a drive and the DB will
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 05:08:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Dear Debian people,
>
> I upload popularity-contest 1.58 which add support for encrypted submissions.
> For this release it is not activated by default.
> Please help test this feature by adding
> ENCRYPT="yes"
> to /etc/popularity
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 12:38:24PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
If /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to somewhere else, then it's
appropriate for automatic pro
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Svante Signell wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a
> gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code
> will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and
> Linux will be several years back of course. Anybody
On Jul 02, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> You're slipping. Your trolling used to be way more subtle.
I do not think that Svante has ever been trolling.
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]] Don Armstrong
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > Automatic processes overwrite explicit admin setups.
>
> If /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to somewhere else, then it's
> appropriate for automatic processes to override it by writing to
> "somewhere else". If it's not a symlink,
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:04AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jul 02, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> > You're slipping. Your trolling used to be way more subtle.
> I do not think that Svante has ever been trolling.
My initial thought was WTF but Ben's email seem to make it all clear.
Are you sayi
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Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Don Armstrong
> > Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > > It seems resolvconf wants to get its name servers from
> > > /etc/network/interfaces?
> >
> > Resolvconf can get its nameservers from anywhere that calls
> >
> > echo 'namserver information'|resolvconf -a interface.progra
Humble suggestion:
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It is a very useful report; a sort by package name would make it better.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:58:34PM +0200, Nick Andrik wrote:
> > Since AGPLv3 is really similar to GPLv3 but mostly oriented for
> > webapplications, would it make sense to contact Oracle with the
> > concerns raised in this thread and a
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> Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Don Armstrong
> > > Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > > > It seems resolvconf wants to get its name servers from
> > > > /etc/network/interfaces?
> > >
> > > Resolvconf can get its nameservers from anywhere that calls
> > >
> > > echo 'namserver informati
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> No, in my setup it should not do that without admin intervention. Doing
> that means it's likely to cause security-related problems. I use DNSSEC
> and don't want to trust random resolvers, I want to trust the one that
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