Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:45:15AM -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > A new major release R 3.0.0 will come out on Wednesday April 3rd, as usual > according the the release plan and announcements [1]. > > It contains major internal changes [2] and requires rebuilds of all R > packages. As I us

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Andreas Tille > Hmmm, you just show some more code as in your blog but this is not > addressing the three flaws of the workflow I was mentioning in my > initial mail. I'm honestly wondering whether I'm missing something > and these are non-issues. They seem to just be deficiencies in the too

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 08:53:52AM +0100, Julian Gilbey a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:45:15AM -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > I am a little unclear what is required; is a binary rebuild > sufficient, or is some change in the source code necessary? If the > former, would it not be bet

Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Koch
Hi, debian-java has the tool "mh_make" that generates debian packages from maven projects. There's some java code in there that produces debian/* files: rules, copyright, watch, control, orig-tar.sh, doc-base.api, doc.install and of course source/format and compat. This java code should be rep

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. Why? > Is there already some logic/templates in Debian that I could build on? dh-make-perl perhaps? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.de

SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/13 22:43, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net): > >> If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never >> convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support o

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is > on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if > they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar > bugs are class

Status of Debian package utility tester

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Koch
Hi, as I've posted some minutes ago I'm searching to generate the files in debian/ and remembered the DPU project[1]. It took me some time to find the blogpost again and thus the name of the project. It seems the project is stalled since august and it has not yet been uploaded to the archive?

Bug#704541: marked as done (general: cannot switch open application by taskbar)

2013-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:54:23 +0200 with message-id <201304051154.26778.hol...@layer-acht.org> and subject line Re: Bug#704541: general: cannot switch open application by taskbar has caused the Debian Bug report #704541, regarding general: cannot switch open application by taskbar to

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread olivier sallou
dh-make-perl indeed for Perl CPAN packages. dh-make for base packages... Olivier 2013/4/5 Thomas Koch > Hi, > > debian-java has the tool "mh_make" that generates debian packages from > maven > projects. There's some java code in there that produces debian/* files: > rules, > copyright, watch,

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Wookey
+++ Jonathan Dowland [2013-04-05 10:09 +0100]: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. > > Why? Because it's an entirely unnecessary circular build-dependency. java is not part of build-essential a

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:07:04 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > gen-author-list: > git log --format='%aN <%aE>' | awk '{arr[$$0]++} END{for (i in > arr){print arr[i], i;}}' | sort -rn | cut -d' ' -f2- A better way to write the above could be: gen-author-list: git shortlog -nes | tr

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Guido Günther
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 09:38:36AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jean-Christophe Dubacq writes: > > > Yesterday, however, I just had the case of a project with no tarballs > > (as the library I wanted to package is part of a larger project, it's > > not released independently). I stumbled (too lon

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Keep it all on the same thread. We don't need to 5 threads about this nonsense. It's starting to get annoying. On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > ---

Re: Status of Debian package utility tester

2013-04-05 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:56:04AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > Hi, > > as I've posted some minutes ago I'm searching to generate the files in > debian/ > and remembered the DPU project[1]. It took me some time to find the blogpost > again and thus the name of the project. It seems the project i

alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Игорь Пашев
I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can be a script in any language. Is there any package using debian/rules whihc is not a makefile? Are there any packages that can get advantages by using debian/rules written in bash/perl/python/etc? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 04:43 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > the release of wheezy. Christian, Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary, meaning that your system

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Timo Weingärtner
Hallo Игорь Пашев, 2013-04-05 um 13:32:24 schriebst Du: > I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can > be a script in any language. > > Is there any package using debian/rules whihc is not a makefile? > Are there any packages that can get advantages by using debian/rule

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Simon McVittie
On 05/04/13 12:32, Игорь Пашев wrote: > I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can > be a script in any language. This is technically possible (dpkg allows it), but not acceptable for Debian packages (Debian Policy requires that debian/rules is an executable makefile).

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 03:32:24PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can > be a script in any language. The policy says: # 4.9. Main building script: `debian/rules' # - # # This file must be an

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 03:32:24PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can > be a script in any language. Not really. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules "This file must be an executable makefile, [..

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, Quoting Wookey (2013-04-05 12:17:42) > Because it's an entirely unnecessary circular build-dependency. java > is not part of build-essential and this doesn't seem like a good > reason for making it so. mh_make is part of the package maven-debian-helper (Thomas: I cant find the package debian-

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Preud'homme
Le vendredi 5 avril 2013 13:41:50, Adam Borowski a écrit : > > It can be done, here's an example how to use a JIT C compiler (tcc) > this way: > dget http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/goodbye/goodbye_0.2-1.dsc > although you might have trouble smuggling this through the FTPmasters :p > > On

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 05.04.2013 12:45, Johannes Schauer wrote: (Thomas: I cant find the package debian-java you were talking about) That's because it's a group of people, not a package... Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Bug#704746: ITP: r-cran-armadillo -- R bindings to Armadillo C++ linear algebra library

2013-04-05 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Package: wnpp Owner: Dirk Eddelbuettel Severity: wishlist * Package name: r-cran-armadillo Version : 0.3.800.1-1 Upstream Author : Dirk Eddelbuettel et al (for RcppArmadillo), Conrad Sanderson (for Armadillo) * URL or Web page : http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/c

SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Pocock writes ("SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)"): > It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is > on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if > they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar > bugs are

Epoch usage conventions (was Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Guillem Jover writes ("Epoch usage conventions (was Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)"): > Well, I strongly disagree that in general using epochs for packaging > mistakes is a good practice (and I've thought so even before Ubuntu > existed). The main purpose of epochs

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 April 2013 20:47, wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:09:04 +0200 > Christian PERRIER wrote: > >> This mail is a very good argument to confirm that overcomplicated >> methods to make your point will just fail. >> >> If you have a point to make it, make ti. Once. With facts. > > I supplied plenty

SI units (was: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Freitag, den 05.04.2013, 12:59 +0100 schrieb Dmitrijs Ledkovs: > The default to base-10 units, is good as majority of the installer > deals with HDD drives (not SSD) and not RAM. SSD manufactures use base-10 units, too. Even 128 GB SSDs have 128 * 10^9 bytes for the users, but 128 * 2^30 bytes

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/4/5 Adam Borowski : > The policy says Indeed. So, in any case one can use its own tool just like dh: %: debian/megatool $@ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http:/

threads, Subjects: and mailers (was Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate))

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:28:32AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to > keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Fix your mailer… I see precisely one thread, correctly linked together via message-id and references headers, wit

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > > the release of wheezy. > Christian, > > Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead > to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary

Bug#704760: ITP: python-pecan -- WSGI object-dispatching web framework

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-pecan Version : 0.2.1 Upstream Author : Jonathan LaCour * URL : https://github.com/dreamhost/pecan * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description : WSGI object-dispatch

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Koch
Jonathan Dowland: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. > > Why? Wookeys response (circular build-dependency) is not the reason here. We have two packages, maven-repo-helper with minimal depende

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread The Wanderer
On 04/05/2013 10:40 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary, meaning that your system would be slow. If any tools don't r

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > The default to base-10 units, is good as majority of the installer > deals with HDD drives (not SSD) and not RAM. Come on... it's not! Let's be serious 5 minutes here. There isn't even a warning about which units are in use. This fools our users (me

Re: sprezzos apt-show-rewrite complete (report + numbers)

2013-04-05 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 06:31:11AM -0400, nick black wrote: > This is a followup to my post to debian-devel, debian-derivatives, deity, > and sprezzos-dev last Monday entitled "apt-show-versions rewrite". This > post is strictly informative, and does not advocate any policy. > > Documentation has

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Thomas, Le vendredi, 5 avril 2013 17.52:19, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > And all of these features will only land for the next cycle > > with a release in ~= 2 years time. > > I really hope that it wont be the case. That it doesn't go into > De

Re: Bug#684128: down the memory hole

2013-04-05 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi Ian. ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote: > It seems that Historical Revisionism, of the bad kind, is now in > operation at Debian, in that critical commentary about unapplied patches > is made to disappear down the memory hole, without leaving so much as a > trace on the relevant bug report. > > If

Bug#704766: ITP: rapicorn -- The Rapicorn Toolkit

2013-04-05 Thread Alessio Treglia
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alessio Treglia * Package name: rapicorn Version : 13.03.0 Upstream Author : Tim Janik * URL : http://rapicorn.org * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : The Rapicorn Toolkit Rapicorn is a toolkit

Re: Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread ian_bruce
a écrit : > You want that bug fixed? Great: test the patch, document your tests I did all that. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684128#103 > gather feedback, get involved quoting from the above: I would be interested to hear suggestions as to what sort of tests of bi

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Игорь Пашев writes: > Indeed. > So, in any case one can use its own tool just like dh: > %: > debian/megatool $@ Yes, from a Policy perspective. Although please consider using dh and its framework instead to make life easier for everyone else in the project who may have to help out with m

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 10:40 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* >>> the release of wheezy. >> Christian, >> >> Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can le

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 02:50:19AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >>> Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > >>> the release of wheezy. > >> Christian, > >> > >> Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead > >> to having partitions not aligned t

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/06/2013 12:16 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Le vendredi, 5 avril 2013 17.52:19, Thomas Goirand a écrit : >> On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: >>> And all of these features will only land for the next cycle >>> with a release in ~= 2 years time. >> I really hop

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Cyril Brulebois
[ Not answering all occurrences, things got repeated a few times… ] Thomas Goirand (06/04/2013): > I've wrote that we should at least address the issue, in a way or > another, through the next point release if that is safer. It is not. > But, are you seriously proposing that we leave the issue

Re: [PATCH] netplug - Allow to specify custom script file via param '-s'

2013-04-05 Thread Pali Rohár
On Wednesday 27 March 2013 12:41:03 Andrew Shadura wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:08:20 +0100 > > Pali Rohár wrote: > > So is my patch totally ignored? I sent it to upstream > > maintainer, next to debian mailinglist, attached to debian > > bug tracking system, sent to ubuntu mailing

Re: Bug#684128: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Thomas Goirand (z...@debian.org): > But, are you seriously proposing that we leave the issue as-is ??? Of course. The issue is there since partman exists (about 2005, from memory) and has probably never prevented anyone to install Debian since then. So, yes, this issue will still be in w

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 06:57 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:07:04 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> gen-author-list: >> git log --format='%aN <%aE>' | awk '{arr[$$0]++} END{for (i in >> arr){print arr[i], i;}}' | sort -rn | cut -d' ' -f2- > A better way to write the above could be

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Andreas Tille > > > Hmmm, you just show some more code as in your blog but this is not > > addressing the three flaws of the workflow I was mentioning in my > > initial mail. I'm honestly wondering whether I'm missing som

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-05 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 04:40:00 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/05/2013 06:57 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: > > A better way to write the above could be: > > > > gen-author-list: > > git shortlog -nes | tr -s ' '| cut -f2- > > > > which in addition will fix up the authors using any .mailmap rule

libc-bin

2013-04-05 Thread carlos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Thanks for your time and job! I've trying to use Chromiun latest trunk but its requires libc-bin > 2.15, even I use Debian Testing I do not have this package. Is thought to have libc 2.17 on Debian testing soon? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version

Re: so long, and thanks for all the fish

2013-04-05 Thread Aneurin Price
On 4 April 2013 18:28, wrote: > There is apparently no mode of argument, or "style of > communications", which is capable of penetrating the Debian > bureaucracy. It is impervious, even to patches which have been > previously solicited. Silly me, for taking that seriously. > You need to remember

Update on R 3.0.0 migration (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-05 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
First off, let me apologize. I clearly did this the wrong way and should have contacted -release and -devel beforehand. My bad -- I'm sorry for extra work this created for the release managers and maintainer, particularly at this time. R 3.0.0 was released on April 3 as scheduled. As usual, I bui

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:02:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit : > > Depends: r-base-core (>= 3.0.0~20130327) , r-base-core (<< 4) > > or you could have an API virtual package: > > r-base-api-3.0 Hi Dirk and everybody, since we already have a substitution variable in most of the R package

Bug#704810: ITP: spice-html5 -- Spice Web client which runs entirely within a modern browser

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: spice-html5 Version : 0~ Upstream Author : Aric Stewart * URL : http://www.spice-space.org/page/Html5 * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang: Javascript Description : Spice Web clie