Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Russ Allbery wrote: > > 4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and that > >I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going to > >maintain it. With a C

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:53:04PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I'm currently working on the Policy modification to document (and > recommend) use of symbols instead of shlibs, but I'd only personally used > symbols with C libraries. Today I decided that I should try adding a > symbols file to a C

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery wrote: > But that feels like a result contrary to what I had previously thought was > the intended direction, so I wanted to ask the Debian development > community as a whole: am I missing something? Are these symbols files > actually useful? Symbol files are nice if

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog writes: > On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Russ Allbery wrote: >> 4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and that >>I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going to >>maintain it. With a C program, I would change the symbols file >>vers

RE: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Richard Sweeney
> > The code is GPL and the gfx and data is CC BY-NC-SA 3.0. > > This is the first time I've heard a mention of a CC license. There is nothing > in the source tarball mentioning a Creative Commons license. If you really > mean > it to be CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, you have to clearly specify that in the s

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Jérémy Lal
On 26/01/2012 09:08, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery wrote: >> But that feels like a result contrary to what I had previously thought was >> the intended direction, so I wanted to ask the Debian development >> community as a whole: am I missing something? Are these symbols files

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Do, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:26:15 (CET), Jérémy Lal wrote: [...] > About what i wonder (since i'm not c++ expert) if abi-compliance-checker > is serious enough to be used to decide soname bumps ? > http://www.upstream-tracker.org/ Thank you very much for pointing out this service. It surely is ver

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 26/01/2012 14:53, Russ Allbery wrote: > 5. The exported symbols of the library contained many symbols that >obviously weren't really from that library, but instead were artifacts >of the C++ compilation process, things like instantiations of >std::vector. Do those go into the symbol

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Jérémy Lal wrote: > About what i wonder (since i'm not c++ expert) if abi-compliance-checker > is serious enough to be used to decide soname bumps ? > http://www.upstream-tracker.org/ The abi checker that iirc is hosted somewhere underneath linuxfoundation is producing quite good r

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery wrote: > I certainly believe there are carefully-maintained C++ libraries that are > more conservative and that go to the required effort to make this work > properly, and KDE is probably an excellent example of a large C++ project > with enough C++ experts involved to

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > (c++|regex)"MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get\(MediaInfoLib::stream_t, > unsigned (int|long)\)@Base" 0.7.52 (subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t {size_t})@base 0.7.52 note that you might actually want to use the mangled symbol

Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: > OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc > directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just > include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: > > http://legendof

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 26/01/2012 17:06, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> (c++|regex)"MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get\(MediaInfoLib::stream_t, >> unsigned (int|long)\)@Base" 0.7.52 > > (subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t > {size_t})@base 0.7.52 That feat

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> (subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t >> {size_t})@base 0.7.52 > > That feature has not been implemented, and its bug[1] has been tagged won= > tfix. it's available in pkg-kde-tools as mentioned at other places in this thread. >

RE: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 10:00 +, Richard Sweeney wrote: > The reason for choosing NC is because I don't want someone > selling something I'm giving away for nothing. > I take it there's no Debian compatible license > that allows me to do this? That would go against items 5 and 6 of the DFSG: h

RE: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Richard Sweeney
(Apologies if this top posts, sending from my phone) The reason for choosing NC is because I don't want someone selling something I'm giving away for nothing. I take it there's no Debian compatible license that allows me to do this? > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:28:38 +0800 > Subject: Re: Bug#65381

Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: > OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc > directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just > include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: > > http://legendof

RE: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Richard Sweeney
(Last top post) After some reading, I can probably just leave the assets under the current license. I can simply just change it back since it's currently not released? > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:22:01 +0800 > Subject: Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game > From: p...@

Re: Switching /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and removing /lib/init/rw

2012-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"brian m. carlson" writes: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> jida...@jidanni.org writes: >> >> > Forty years of pleasant df(1) and mount(1) reading shattered in one day, >> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653073 >> >> Any update on why

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Russ Allbery: > I'm currently working on the Policy modification to document (and > recommend) use of symbols instead of shlibs, but I'd only personally used > symbols with C libraries. Today I decided that I should try adding a > symbols file to a C++ library, particularly if I'm going to reco

Re: collab-maint join requests on Alioth

2012-01-26 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 07:57:10AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I don't know if this has been fixed on the FusionForge side, but when I > was processing collab-maint, this was not the case. Alioth did not send > out such mails (i.e. when you accepted/declined a join request). > > If that's sti

Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
On 2012-01-26 11:51, Richard Sweeney wrote: > After some reading, I can probably just leave the assets under the current > license. I can simply just change it back since it's currently not released? If "current" license is GPL and someone make a fork based on that your license change in the futu

Re: collab-maint join requests on Alioth

2012-01-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Enrico Zini wrote: > Good point, I really assumed that alioth would send you a notification > mail. > > We can try to manually inform people when we accept them, but me being > one of those that would have to spend time doing it, I would consider > that to be a useless extra

Re: RFC: Realtime system (audio) group

2012-01-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 25 janvier 2012 à 13:31 +0100, Adrian Knoth a écrit : > > If you have PolicyKit, rtkit defaults to letting you have rt priorities > > if and only if you are logged in locally (gdm, kdm, getty etc., but not > > Is there something like > > "If you're logged in locally, I'll grant y

Re: collab-maint join requests on Alioth

2012-01-26 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 02:20:15PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Can we have GForge send a notification mail on approval/decline, at > > least for collab-maint? > > FWIW, I opened > https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?func=detail&group_id=1&aid=304644&atid=21 > in 2007. > > I think you'll

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Jue 26 Ene 2012 05:08:07 Sune Vuorela escribió: [snip] > >Am I missing some trick to make them useful? > > You miss pkgkde-symbolshelper written by the fabulous Modestas Vainius > which is available in pkg-kde-tools. > > http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html +1. As Sune said in ot

A package question

2012-01-26 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, I need to install an old package, having a dependency on libreadline5-dev. This -dev package does no longer exist, it is replaced by libreadline-gplv2-dev. From the package description that package conflicts with libreadline5-dev, and replaces libreadline5-dev. Still the old package refuses to

Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2012-01-26 Thread The Fungi
On 2012-01-26 13:06:31 +0100 (+0100), Martin Bagge / brother wrote: [...] > There are several articles about the problem with CC NC licenses, > exactly what that means is not clear. Make sure to study the field > before picking anything based on NC. > Pick license and pick it wise. The historic qu

[Fwd: A package question]

2012-01-26 Thread Svante Signell
Sorry, I just realized I'm not subscribed to debian-deval from the mailing address below. Forwarded Message From: Svante Signell Reply-to: To: debian-devel Subject: A package question Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:34:18 +0100 Hi, I need to install an old package, having a depend

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* From: Russ Allbery, Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:53:04 -0800 > 4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and > that I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going > to maintain it. With a C program, I would change the symbols file > versions when the underlying func

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Russ Allbery
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > How many upstream are there that try to achieve ABI equivalence? > Usually people only try to achieve ABI compability, i.e. programs > compiled against the old version will work with the new one, but there > is no garantee that programs compiled against the new versio

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Thomas Weber
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 08:08:07AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > >Am I missing some trick to make them useful? > > You miss pkgkde-symbolshelper written by the fabulous Modestas Vainius > which is available in pkg-kde-tools. > > http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html I'm currently crea

Re: Do symbols make sense for C++

2012-01-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-01-26, Thomas Weber wrote: > I'm currently creating symbol files for Octave in Debian. And quite > frankly, the way symbol files for C++ libraries are handled and > (especially) documented is totally frustrating. > > There's exactly zero precise documentation on how to maintain symbol > fi

Re: Bug#657067: ITP: futures -- backport of concurrent.futures package from Python 3.2

2012-01-26 Thread Antonio Terceiro
Jakub Wilk escreveu isso aí: > * Antonio Terceiro , 2012-01-25, 10:12: > >Another argument in favor of using the same name for source and > >binary packages: suppose there is "libfoo", and independent > >bindings for Perl, Python and Ruby, all called "foo", and that > >"foo" is unique in their resp

Work-needing packages report for Jan 27, 2012

2012-01-26 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 397 (new: 5) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 151 (new: 3) Total number of packages request