On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:54:41PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> We didn't discussed browser-plugin-*. Should we make a poll with
> *-browserplugin and browser-plugin-*?
I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
you've a choice among these two the latter is preferabl
On 26/04/2010 08:42, Mike Hommey wrote:
> I'd say usually namespaces in packages names are prefixes, so
> browser-plugin-* would make sense.
On 26/04/2010 09:52, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
> you've a choice among these two th
On 26/04/2010 09:52, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:54:41PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
>> We didn't discussed browser-plugin-*. Should we make a poll with
>> *-browserplugin and browser-plugin-*?
>
> I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> > I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
> > you've a choice among these two the latter is preferable.
>
> If this is so, then browserplugin-* should content everyone.
I'm sure you meant "bro
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Na grupie linux.debian.devel napisałe(a)ś:
> I've been reading through the archives in order to find out if there's
> been any consensus on the controversial change to the default value of
> net.ipv6.bindv6only -- and unless I've missed something, I'm under the
> impression that people agree that t
On Monday 26 April 2010 16:14:05 Jarek Kamiński wrote:
> If some program needs specific value of bindv6only, it should request it
> explicitly with one simple setsockopt(). And according to
> http://bugs.debian.org/560238, only one package in Debian (which is not
> in testing) didn't manage that. T
Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> > > I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
> > > you've a choice among these two the latter is preferable.
> >
> > If this
>> unless I've missed something, I'm under the impression that people
>> agree that the change was a mistake.
> Not again...
What do you mean?
The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
the one that people don't want.
> On Linux bindv6only is configurable by administr
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:53:24PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
> the one that people don't want.
It's the one that I want.
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:56:15PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> 1. browser-plugin-*
> 2. browserplugin-*
> 3. *-browserplugin
> 4. *-browser-plugin
>
> Opinions?
I like #3
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> Opinions?=20
I would prefer 1. or, slightly less, 4.
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On Monday 26 April 2010 17:17:05 Clint Adams wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:53:24PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> > The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
> > the one that people don't want.
>
> It's the one that I want.
>
You could still change it, right?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 05:35:45PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> You could still change it, right?
So could you, but that's not going to fix the broken software,
just like disabling the Tomcat security manager doesn't magically
make Hudson less broken.
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:46:17PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 16:14:05 Jarek Kamiński wrote:
>> If some program needs specific value of bindv6only, it should request it
>> explicitly with one simple setsockopt(). And according to
>> http://bugs.debian.org/560238, only o
On Monday 26 April 2010 17:42:04 Clint Adams wrote:
> So could you, but that's not going to fix the broken software,
> just like disabling the Tomcat security manager doesn't magically
> make Hudson less broken.
You have a missconception of "broken".
POSIX has a default value, the developers will
On Monday 26 April 2010 17:35:00 Jarek Kamiński wrote:
> 560238 is blocked only by 579033, end of bug report mentions also wine,
> which I've missed. Reports against other packages are already closed. Am
> I missing something else?
Read this mailing list, some packages were mentioned.
> My point w
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On Mon Apr 26 18:02, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> You have a missconception of "broken".
> POSIX has a default value, the developers will read the POSIX documentation
> and tell you to screw you if you do a bugreport saying that if you
> voluntarily
> make your system non-compliant then their softwa
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:56:15PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > I'm sure you meant "browser-plugin-*" here ...
> Hm, browserplugin-* would be a new option. Then we would have
>
> 1. browser-plugin-*
> 2. browserplugin-*
> 3. *-browserplugin
> 4. *-browser-plugin
>
> I thin
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 15:17 +, Clint Adams a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:53:24PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> > The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
> > the one that people don't want.
>
> It's the one that I want.
Good. Now if you or one of
On Monday 26 April 2010 18:30:29 Matthew Johnson wrote:
> Default does not mean "only permittable". If POSIX allows it to be set to
> either value, then no matter what the _default_ is, not coping with either
> is a bug.
Default: a selection automatically used by a computer program in the absence
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 19:30:14 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 15:17 +, Clint Adams a écrit :
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:53:24PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> > > The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
> > > the one that peop
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 19:54:53 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 19:30:14 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> > Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 15:17 +, Clint Adams a écrit :
> > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:53:24PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> > > > The apparent consens
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 18:30:29 Matthew Johnson wrote:
> > Default does not mean "only permittable". If POSIX allows it to be
> > set to either value, then no matter what the _default_ is, not
> > coping with either is a bug.
>
> Default: a selection
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Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 18:49 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:56:15PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > > I'm sure you meant "browser-plugin-*" here ...
> > Hm, browserplugin-* would be a new option. Then we would have
> >
> > 1. browser-plugin-*
> > 2. b
Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 20:40 +0200 schrieb Benjamin Drung:
> Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 18:49 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 04:56:15PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > > > I'm sure you meant "browser-plugin-*" here ...
> > > Hm, browserplugin-* would be a new opt
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On Monday 26 April 2010 20:22:07 Don Armstrong wrote:
> There's no conflict here. The definition quoted says nothing about
> default meaning "only permittable", exactly as Matthew claims above.
>
> If the software doesn't work properly when either of the permissible
> values is set when it is poss
Benjamin Drung writes:
> Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
>> > > I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at '-', so if
>> > > you've a choice among these two the latter i
On Apr 26, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> The apparent consensus is being ignored -- the default value is still
Because:
- nobody cares about the consensus in the peanut gallery
- as explained in #560238, it is still not the time to make a choice
> This is of course nonsense. Choosing the default
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 20:22:07 Don Armstrong wrote:
> > If the software doesn't work properly when either of the permissible
> > values is set when it is possible for the software to handle either
> > value correctly, the software is buggy. It may not
Am Montag, 26. April 2010 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow:
> Benjamin Drung writes:
> > Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> >> > > I'd rather say that generally binary packages split words at
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
>> Benjamin Drung writes:
>> > Hm, browserplugin-* would be a new option. Then we would have
>> >
>> > 1. browser-plugin-*
>> > 2. browserplugin-*
>> > 3. *-browserplugin
>> > 4. *-browser-plugin
>
> I think, 3 and 4 are
On Monday 26 April 2010 21:59:08 Don Armstrong wrote:
> It doesn't matter who sets it. If the program doesn't work properly
> with either setting, and it's possible for it to work properly with
> either setting by patching the code, it's a bug that should be fixed.
It matters because in my view, th
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 21:59:08 Don Armstrong wrote:
> > It doesn't matter who sets it. If the program doesn't work properly
> > with either setting, and it's possible for it to work properly with
> > either setting by patching the code, it's a bug tha
On Monday 26 April 2010 23:03:22 Don Armstrong wrote:
> It's a system wide default which can be changed by the administrator
> or by Debian. If the code fails when that default is changed, the code
> is buggy.
>
> There's no reason for the code to rely on a particular setting of the
> default when
"Hans-J. Ullrich" writes:
> Am Montag, 26. April 2010 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow:
>> Benjamin Drung writes:
>> > Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
>> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
>> >> > > I'd rather say that genera
Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 23:58 +0200 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow:
> "Hans-J. Ullrich" writes:
>
> > Am Montag, 26. April 2010 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow:
> >> Benjamin Drung writes:
> >> > Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 11:07 +0200 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:
On Mon Apr 26 23:21, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 23:03:22 Don Armstrong wrote:
> > It's a system wide default which can be changed by the administrator
> > or by Debian. If the code fails when that default is changed, the code
> > is buggy.
> >
> > There's no reason for the co
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:50 +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Mon Apr 26 23:21, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > On Monday 26 April 2010 23:03:22 Don Armstrong wrote:
> > > It's a system wide default which can be changed by the administrator
> > > or by Debian. If the code fails when that default is cha
Le Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:40:41PM +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
>
> I setup a doodle poll
Dear Benjamin,
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Doodle, Selectricity is free software.
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