Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 07:54:33 +0200, a écrit : > Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit : > >> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere > >> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to > >>

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit : > Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote: > >>> Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use

Remove control field Conflicts if the package is no longer in the repository

2009-08-12 Thread Timur Birsh
Hello Debian Developers, I've recently uploaded (thanks to Bart Martens for sponsoring) my first package and want to adopt the next one. It's cd-discid [1]. Its debian/control file contains the Conflicts field. This package conflicts with cdgrab (<< 0.7), which is no longer exists in the reposi

What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, the question in the subject may sound a bit naive, but I’m starting to wonder why we still set the Standards-Version in package control files. AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce which poli

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version ?

2009-08-12 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, the question in the subject may sound a bit naive, but I’m starting to wonder why we still set the Standards-Version in package control files. AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:56:49AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit : > > Bastian Blank wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > >> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> y

MBF for removal of python-gnome2-desktop binary package

2009-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, due to some upcoming changes in the list of supported modules upstream, the python-gnome2-desktop binary package will be removed soon. Packages must depend on the individual modules instead. For example, if the only module used is gnomeapplet, you must depend on python-gnomeapplet instead. A

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:54:33AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit : > >> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere > >> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to >

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Thomas Koch
It's impressing how quickly threads on this list grow big. :-) I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached. 1. apt-get install mysql 2. enter mysql client 3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) ); Replace mysql with whatever application you like. What should be the

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Russ Allbery wrote: > Josselin Mouette writes: >> If we use build IDs (and this has quite some advantages, like being able >> to do more than just dump the ddebs on a repository), this can lead to >> having the same detached debugging symbols in two binary packages, since >> sometimes a binary is

Re: MBF for removal of python-gnome2-desktop binary package

2009-08-12 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort >scribes > Python Applications Packaging Team >scribes (U) Fixed in trunk. Cheers, Emilio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached. > > 1. apt-get install mysql > 2. enter mysql client > 3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) ); > > Replace mysql with whatever application you like. > > What

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:59:09 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > However I think this approach doesn’t fit the current way we deal with > policy changes. The de facto way of dealing with policy breakages > currently is to directly report serious bugs against packages not > conforming, regardless of t

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Hi, > > the question in the subject may sound a bit naive, but I’m starting to > wonder why we still set the Standards-Version in package control files. > > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the > package is supposed to

Re: Remove control field Conflicts if the package is no longer in the repository

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Timur Birsh wrote: > Hello Debian Developers, > > I've recently uploaded (thanks to Bart Martens for sponsoring) my first > package and want to adopt the next one. It's cd-discid [1]. Its > debian/control file contains the Conflicts field. This package conflicts > with cdgr

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:59:09 +0200 > Josselin Mouette wrote: > >> However I think this approach doesn’t fit the current way we deal with >> policy changes. The de facto way of dealing with policy breakages >> currently is to directly report serious bugs

Re: Remove control field Conflicts if the package is no longer in the repository

2009-08-12 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Timur Birsh wrote: Hello Debian Developers, I've recently uploaded (thanks to Bart Martens for sponsoring) my first package and want to adopt the next one. It's cd-discid [1]. Its debian/control file contains the Conflicts field. This package conf

Re: Remove control field Conflicts if the package is no longer in the repository

2009-08-12 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Timur Birsh wrote: Hello Debian Developers, I've recently uploaded (thanks to Bart Martens for sponsoring) my first package and want to adopt the next one. It's cd-discid [1]. Its debian/control file contains the Confl

Re: Debian packaging license (was: Re: RFC: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines).

2009-08-12 Thread Jonathan Yu
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote: > Le lundi 10 août 2009 09:58:04, Jonathan Yu a écrit : >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: >> > Le Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:33:58AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: >>

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 08:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the > > package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce > > which policy versions are supported, e.g. in a stable release, by > > forbidding

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Roger Leigh, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 11:30:50 +0100, a écrit : > > > The default is UTF-32 or UTF-16, whichever corresponds to the width of > > > wchar_t. > > > > This documentation is bogus BTW. It should read "UCS-4 or UCS-2". > > It's "strictly" correct according to the standard. > http://en.wikip

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version ?

2009-08-12 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 08:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce which policy versions are supported, e.g. in a stable release, by

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:17 -0500 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > In many cases, wouldn't such a relationship be better expressed by a > > dependency on a package that implemented the new behaviour? Often it's > > dpkg and many of those situations are already handled via just such a > > dependency.

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > What would you think of deprecating this header? > > This would be bad, since when someone looks at the package, they > would not know easily what they have to look for to update the > package. The Standards Version gives a

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 08:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the >> > package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce >> > which policy versions are sup

Re: Remove control field Conflicts if the package is no longer in the repository

2009-08-12 Thread Timur Birsh
Hi, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >>> I think that as long as the package (cdgrab, in this case) is >>> not longer in stable, the conflicts line may be removed (we support >>> partial upgrades from stable, as far as is possible). In this case, >>> apparently cdgrab is not anywhere, so th

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> > What would you think of deprecating this header? >> >>         This would be bad, since when someone looks at the package, they >>  would not know easily what they have to l

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Roeth
On Aug 12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote: > Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 08:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the > > > package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce > > > which policy

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> > What would you think of deprecating this header? >> >> This would be bad, since when someone looks at the package, they >> would not know easily what they have to look for to

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:17 -0500 > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> > In many cases, wouldn't such a relationship be better expressed by a >> > dependency on a package that implemented the new behaviour? Often it's >> > dpkg and many of those situations a

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10:43AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:17 -0500 > > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > >> > In many cases, wouldn't such a relationship be better expressed by a > >> > dependency on a package that im

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:03:13 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Open questions: > * Can we require a one-to-one correspondance between binary package names > and debug package names that provide symbols for that binary package? I > think we should; I think it would make the system more strai

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:36:23PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > The only /real/ use for the standards version is using it as a starting > point for upgrading to the current standards version, and that's already > making the (rather naïve) assumption that it was already fully conforming > with Policy

Re: Bug#540365: ITP: turnin-ng -- Assignment submitter and manager

2009-08-12 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:40:44 -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:23:43PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > I hope the packages uploaded won't have a «project» binary in the > > PATH? > > At the moment yes, Turnin-NG provides /usr/bin/project since that's what the > original tu

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10:43AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:17 -0500 >> > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > >> >> > In many cases, wouldn't such a relationship be better expr

Bug#541223: ITP: libtext-dhcpleases-perl -- libtext-dhcpleases-perl -- an object-oriented interface to ISC DHCPD leases files

2009-08-12 Thread Javier Uruen Val
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Javier Uruen Val * Package name: libtext-dhcpleases-perl Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Carlos Vicente * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-DHCPLeases/ * License : (Perl Artistic) Programming Lang: (Perl) Desc

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 11:06 -0400, Neil Roeth a écrit : > I've had some packages for years during which policy was changed and required > corresponding changes in my packages. In that case, the "previous developer" > was me, so I'm pretty confident that the previous developer did at least as

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version ?

2009-08-12 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Hi, > > the question in the subject may sound a bit naive, but I’m starting to > wonder why we still set the Standards-Version in package control files. > > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the > package is supposed to conform to. This wa

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I do not have a strong opinion about this, apart from the fact > that it must be present in the sources when someone is looking to > update the package, and it should be accessible before downloading all > the sources. So having it in the di

Bug#541239: ITP: GT.M -- Database Engine with Extreme Scalability and Robustness

2009-08-12 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "K.S. Bhaskar" * Package name: GT.M Version : V5.3-004A Upstream Author : K.S. Bhaskar * URL : http://fis-gtm.com * License : AGPL v3 Programming Lang: C with some modules in x86 assembly language Description :

Bug#541242: ITP: VistA -- Real time health care information system including electronic health record

2009-08-12 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "K.S. Bhaskar" * Package name: VistA Version : To be determined Upstream Author : K.S. Bhaskar * URL : http://worldvista.org/AboutVistA * License : Public domain, GPL v2, AGPL v3 Programming Lang: MUMPS Description

Bug#541245: ITP: WorldVistA EHR -- WorldVistA EHR is a repackage and extended version of VistA produced by WorldVistA

2009-08-12 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "K.S. Bhaskar" * Package name: WorldVistA EHR Version : VOE/ 1.0 Upstream Author : K.S. Bhaskar * URL : http://worldvista.org/World_VistA_EHR * License : GPL v2 Programming Lang: MUMPS Description : WorldVistA E

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Josselin Mouette writes: > This assumes that the previous developer has correctly updated the > package according to the stated Standards version. Which is, in the > general case, wrong. No, it assumes that the previous developer tried to update the package according to the stated standards vers

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Roeth
On Aug 12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote: > Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 11:06 -0400, Neil Roeth a écrit : > > I've had some packages for years during which policy was changed and > > required > > corresponding changes in my packages. In that case, the "previous > > developer"

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > I'd be in favour of making it optional or deprecating it if we (as in > the project) were good in adding checks to lintian for changes in the > policy or reporting bugs where it's not possible (or in addition to the > checks). I already attempt to add checks to L

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil Williams writes: > In which case all we need is the existing lintian check and for > Standards-Version to be ignored by dpkg-dev so that it doesn't get into > the .dsc, it doesn't get into the Sources.gz and it is finally OK to get > rid of all these pointless messages in debian/changelog.gz

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Tue Aug 11 10:12, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > > Personally I don't think we should do a GR to recommend a freeze or release > > date. > > We already used the DPL election to push a release, when it was *long* due, > > but > > I don't think we sho

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 14:17 -0400, Neil Roeth a écrit : > If people don't have time to handle all their packages properly, they should > reduce the number of packages they maintain. I’ve seen this kind of arguments again and again, and every time it looks more stupid to me. If you don’t have

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11826 March 1977, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > The proposal is (very briefly) to make dak accept .ddeb packages (containing > debugging symbols using build-ids), and to then modify helper tools to > automatically generate them and add them to the changes file. I've written > down > the deta

I want to delete an ITP

2009-08-12 Thread Leinier Cruz Salfran
Hello. I'm creating my first package, after reading the debian policy and others mails in 'debian-mentors' list I want to delete the ITP Bug #539568 in order to create a new one with the same library but with other name .. How can I do that? Thanks signature.asc Description: Esta parte del

Re: I want to delete an ITP

2009-08-12 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello Leinier, first of all, this question is more fit for debian-mentors that for -devel, so I'm adding the list to CC (please follow up there, removing -devel). 2009/8/12 Leinier Cruz Salfran : > Hello. > > I'm creating my first package, after reading the debian policy and > others mails in 'deb

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Harald Braumann
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100 Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached. > > > > 1. apt-get install mysql > > 2. enter mysql client > > 3. create database test; create table test( test char(10)

Re: What's the use for Standards-Versio n?

2009-08-12 Thread David Claughton
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> * updated Standards-Version (no changes needed) > > Firstly, you do not ahve to put that into the changelog, and, > secondly, one should not have t

Re: What's the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Daniel Moerner
On 08/12/2009 03:01 PM, David Claughton wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 >>> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> * updated Standards-Version (no changes needed) >> Firstly, you do not ahve to put that into the

Re: What's the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Daniel Moerner writes: > I don't think that anyone was every seriously defending that people do > uploads just to bump the Standards-Version, I think the objection was > more that bumping the Standards-Version needlessly clutters the > changelog and wastes space. I'll admit I don't quite understa

Re: What's the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread David Claughton
Daniel Moerner wrote: > On 08/12/2009 03:01 PM, David Claughton wrote: >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 Manoj Srivastava wrote: * updated Standards-Version (no changes needed) >>> Firstly, you d

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-12 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:07:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > >Any thoughts? We could have such a vote over and done in about two weeks, >with the DPL's consent, and it'd seem a lot more inclusive and less >cabal-tastic than how things seem to be working atm... Personally, I think the last thin

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:17:55PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Quantity of .ddebs: > Usually there should only be one .ddeb per source. Of course there are > always exceptions from the rule, so Maintainers may chose to have one > per binary package. This should only be taken when the size of the

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:17:55PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Quantity of .ddebs: >> Usually there should only be one .ddeb per source. Of course there are >> always exceptions from the rule, so Maintainers may chose to have one >> per binary package. This should only be ta

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100 > Roger Leigh wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > > I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached. > > > > > > 1. apt-get install mysql > > > 2.

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > Roger Leigh wrote: >> This fails to address the rather valid concern brought up about having >> different versions of libraries and binaries installed from the same >> source package. Having one .ddeb per binary would solve this >> elegantly. > Except that in th

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:58:45 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > If that bothers you, you can use the share we plan to provide. > I'd like to still be able to debug offline, thank you very much. So far you've avoided answering the question, though: why one ddeb per source instead of per b

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Russ Allbery wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: >> Roger Leigh wrote: > >>> This fails to address the rather valid concern brought up about having >>> different versions of libraries and binaries installed from the same >>> source package. Having one .ddeb per binary would solve this >>> el

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:58:45AM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:17:55PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> Quantity of .ddebs: > >> Usually there should only be one .ddeb per source. Of course there are > >> always exceptions from the rule,

Re: default character encoding for everything in debian

2009-08-12 Thread Harald Braumann
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:03:43 +0100 Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100 > > Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > > > I'm not sure, whether a conclusio

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Except that in that case, the old library will be NBS and thus I see >>> no point why you would want to keep it installed. The only reason >>> would be if it was meant to stay around, but in that case I'm sure the >>> source package names w

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > There will still be a repository with all the .ddebs. And aptitude and dpkg will know how to install ddebs, somehow? and synaptic, etc? > But also we will have a share that will ship all the debugging symbols > in a build id file hie

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >        I too am wondering if we should defer the polivy change until >  the details get shaken out with a partial deployment of the scheme. Full deployment already happened (in Ubuntu). -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise writes: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>        I too am wondering if we should defer the polivy change until >>  the details get shaken out with a partial deployment of the scheme. > Full deployment already happened (in Ubuntu). As .ddebs? What's the po

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > As .ddebs?  What's the policy about what can go in them and how are they > integrated with the packaging tools?  And could you point me at the Ubuntu > share for the debugging information so that I can see what protocols it's > using? > > Pri

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise writes: > Not having anything to do with Ubuntu, I don't know anything about the > details, but they have had automatic debug packages and automated > crash report stuff for quite a while, a couple of years IIRC. The > specs for that are here: > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le mercredi 12 août 2009 04:59:09, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the > package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce > which policy versions are supported, e.g. in a stable release, by > forbidding the too old

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Paul Wise writes: >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Manoj Srivastava >> wrote: > >>>        I too am wondering if we should defer the polivy change until >>>  the details get shaken out with a partial deployment of the scheme. > >> Full deployment al

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Romain Beauxis writes: > But there could be another use of this field, which would fit into the > test- driven workflow. What about a tool that displays the changes in > the policy based on the declared supported version and the latest > version ? Like: zcat /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upg

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le mercredi 12 août 2009 23:22:45, Russ Allbery a écrit : > Romain Beauxis writes: > > But there could be another use of this field, which would fit into the > > test- driven workflow. What about a tool that displays the changes in > > the policy based on the declared supported version and the lat

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Russ Allbery (12/08/2009): > zcat /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz \ > | sed /`grep Standards-Version debian/control | awk '{ print $2 }'`/Q > > ? I just use zless on that file and stop reading when I get to the > current Standards-Version of the package, but t

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Paul Wise writes: > >> Not having anything to do with Ubuntu, I don't know anything about the >> details, but they have had automatic debug packages and automated >> crash report stuff for quite a while, a couple of years IIRC. The >> specs for that are

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Romain Beauxis (12/08/2009): > Is it foolish to propose this as a lintian check ? "Hey, standards version > is outdated, here are the changes that ought to be done" checks/standards-version.desc Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:44:26PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > > IIRC, there is a plan for splitting Descriptions out of the Packages files For the curious, there is some extra information here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-l10n-devel/2009-August/000507.html In my experience,

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 13 août 2009 00:09:09, Cyril Brulebois a écrit : > Romain Beauxis (12/08/2009): > > Is it foolish to propose this as a lintian check ? "Hey, standards > > version is outdated, here are the changes that ought to be done" > > checks/standards-version.desc Please, pretty please, try to ma

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote: > What I mean is that we can use the information contained in the standards- > version tag and display at this place the list of changes that were done since > 3.7.0 > > That makes a difference in the sense that it helps to improve the workflo

Re: What's the use for Standards-Versi on?

2009-08-12 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I do not have a strong opinion about this, apart from the fact >> that it must be present in the sources when someone is looking to >> update the package, and it should be accessible before downloading all >> the so

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:44:26PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : >> >> IIRC, there is a plan for splitting Descriptions out of the Packages files > > For the curious, there is some extra information here: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Romain Beauxis wrote: > What I mean is that we can use the information contained in the > standards- version tag and display at this place the list of changes > that were done since> 3.7.0 Assuming you have the policy package installed. > That makes a difference in

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 13 août 2009 00:31:40, Paul Wise a écrit : > Please file a bug (and patch) against lintian, I doubt the lintian > maintainers would have a problem with this as long as it is > implemented sanely. Ok. Are the .desc files processed in any way ? I looked at lintian's source and could find an

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 13 août 2009 01:13:44, Romain Beauxis a écrit : > Le jeudi 13 août 2009 00:31:40, Paul Wise a écrit : > > Please file a bug (and patch) against lintian, I doubt the lintian > > maintainers would have a problem with this as long as it is > > implemented sanely. > > Ok. Are the .desc files p

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 13 août 2009 00:48:13, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > That makes a difference in the sense that it helps to improve the > > workflow by putting as much information as possible in the same place. > > Oh, for Pete's sake, just run zless on the file lintian already > reports for you.