On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:57:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Well, I haven't left, but I do far less with Debian now than I used
> to.
> It is still my preferred OS for a variety of reasons. (...)
> I get no joy whatsoever out of the current mailing list
> discussions. (...) We're here to mak
The problem is you can't wave a magic wand, and fix the community.
It's a self-feeding cycle which goes on and on and on. Even if we had
a Code of Conduct for Debian, unless it was strongly enforced, its the
same problem.
Whether the ballot was valid or not was immaterial, the response to it
was c
Eduard Bloch (18/12/2008):
> * Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
> > http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7991
>
> I would like to know what exactly Steve told them. The major tone WRT
> OSS on that page seems to be pretty harsh, close to FUD and trolling.
>
> So how did St
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Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Le Friday 19 December 2008 01:04:05 Johannes Wiedersich, vous avez écrit :
>> Joss, it is disappointing that after all that time since your faux pas
>> [1], you still seem to fail to understand that what might be acceptable
>> w
Am Donnerstag, den 18.12.2008, 22:51 -0800 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:04:05AM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> > I am really speechless The French seem to have a completely
> > different understanding of the English language used in all these
> > matters than almost
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
> that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
> wide announcement is fine, just because the French think it is fine.
"the French" => FAIL; thanks
Le Friday 19 December 2008 09:56:21 Johannes Wiedersich, vous avez écrit :
> What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
> that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
> wide announcement is fine, just because the French think it is fine.
I y
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Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
>> that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
>> wide announcement is fine, j
* Michael Banck:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:51:34PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> > Florian Weimer writes:
>>
>> > I would very much like this library to become the *only* WPAD
>> > implementation anywhere. Hopefully eventually with
* Michael Banck:
>> WPAD is a broken protocol with security issues inherent to the DNS
>> devolution mechanism (which is also performed by libproxy). Please
>> don't add implementations to the Debian archive.
>
> As I understand it, this library is made so that application writers
> don't duplica
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Romain Beauxis wrote:
> I start a discussion trying to explain how misunderstanding can happen and it
> ends up claiming that french are arogant.
I am sorry, if I misunderstood your point as defending Joss's
announcement, while you were just trying t
Dear Debian developers,
for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most recent
developments, but it is also I fairly good indicator of the projects
climate ... which seems to be getting colder ...
But I can
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Michael Hanke wrote:
>
> Dear Debian developers,
>
>
> for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
> most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most recent
> developments, but it is also I fairly good indicator of the p
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:00:47AM +0100, Harald Braumann wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:04:05 +0100
> > I am really speechless The French seem to have a completely
> > different understanding of the English language used in all these
> > matters than almost every one else in the world.
> Wel
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Homosexuality can be an *accusation* ‽
It still is in some countries. That's why mature people don't play
with that openly in international projects.
Perhaps you didn't know.
cheers,
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Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 10:01 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Homosexuality can be an *accusation* ‽
>
> It still is in some countries. That's why mature people don't play
> with that openly in international projects.
>
> Per
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Romain Beauxis wrote:
>> I start a discussion trying to explain how misunderstanding can happen and
>> it
>> ends up claiming that french are arogant.
>
> I am sorry, if I misunderstood your point as defending Joss's
> announcement, while you were just trying to expl
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 13:30 +0100, Olivier Berger a écrit :
> For instance see our Secretaire d'Etat's declaration at :
> http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/france-rama-yade-will-appeal-at-the-united-nations-for-the-universal-decriminalisation-of-homosexuality/
>
> OK, OK,
Hi,
Bastian Venthur wrote:
What I see *now* is that the freezes during the last two and the current
release are getting longer and longer (~1,5 months, ~4 months and for
Lenny at least 5 months). For me this seems to be a serious problem we
should not ignore. Important software is outdated in un
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> I am sorry. I meant 'some French'. It was not my intention to give the
> impression that this applies to all the French. Please accept my apologies.
We're almost all humans, thanks for retracting. :-)
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Hi John,
very well said, thanks. I suggest everyone to go back and read his mail.
http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1483 is also a nice read about what working
together nicely can achieve. I miss that in Debian.
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has become
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Our country is very far from exempt of human rights violations. Those
> trying to frame the current discussion in terms of cultures or countries
> are forgetting that every culture and country has its share of
> intolerant people. I don't
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:09:03PM +0100, Dionysios Kalofonos wrote:
> during soft freeze any changes can be made as long as no new RC bugs get
> introduced, and during hard freeze is what happens today.
>
Erm, doesn't this happen already?
Neil
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Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
> The mission of Debian is not "spot the bigot". Debian embraces people
> of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief --
> about an OS.
Precisely. And in such a project, you need to work together with peopl
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Holger Levsen wrote:
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has become totally unacceptable for me. I guess -project will follow soon.
I wished such flamewars could be fighted at -project and -devel would
be free for what it was intend
Neil McGovern wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:09:03PM +0100, Dionysios Kalofonos wrote:
during soft freeze any changes can be made as long as no new RC bugs get
introduced, and during hard freeze is what happens today.
Erm, doesn't this happen already?
sorry, something i did not clarify
2008/12/19 Michael Hanke :
>
> Dear Debian developers,
As a debian user, I subscribe all of the above post.
Thanks
Luca
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> Now if only we could say positive things about people BEFORE they
> resign, wouldn't this be a better place?
+1E6
John, thank you for taking the time to write and post that note. I couldn't
agree more.
When Manoj and I joined the Debian project, there were only a couple dozen of
us, and
we
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
> > The mission of Debian is not "spot the bigot". Debian embraces people
> > of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief --
> > about an OS.
>
> Precisely. An
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> > > to
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 07:47:50AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
>
> project atmosphere. The only way we can "get things back on track"
> and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
> create a free operating system...
I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all he
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
> correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
> else.
Please use gender-neutral language when addressing a diverse audience
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:13:57PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> Dear Norbert,
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
> > correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
> > el
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> too. I am going to spend the next few days evaluating how important the
> proje
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
> > project atmosphere. The only way we can "get things back on track"
> > and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
> > create a free operating system...
>
> I believe that part of the problem is that we are not a
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:22:29PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Also new users have a tendency to go with testing and don't use
> unstable much these days.
>
> The net effect is that there aren't enough people left using unstable
> to uncover enough problems. Hence bugs silently make it to testin
Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Barry deFreese wrote:
Shoot, I didn't add that, Moritz did.
Ah, woops.
Which one should we actually use?
OngoingTransitions IMO (perhaps it could be renamed too).
BTW, found this page too:
http://wiki.debian.org/GTK%2B_
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Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 12:03 -0500 schrieb Barry deFreese:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just in case anyone cares/is interested, here is some work I have been
> doing on packages using Gtk1.2, Imlib, gnome-libs, or any combination
> thereof.
>
>
> Obviously some packages fall within more than one rde
Daniel Leidert (19/12/2008):
> > bluefish
> > Actually built with gtk2 but still build-deps on gnome-bin?? (pinged
> > maintainer). Just a suggests, can probably be removed.
>
> It does *not* build-depend on gnome-bin and I already told you this
> (you simply did not answer). Where do you
On Friday 19 December 2008 21:07:09 Daniel Leidert wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 12:03 -0500 schrieb Barry deFreese:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Just in case anyone cares/is interested, here is some work I have been
> > doing on packages using Gtk1.2, Imlib, gnome-libs, or any combination
> > the
Daniel Leidert wrote:
It does *not* build-depend on gnome-bin and I already told you this (you
simply did not answer). Where do you see this build-dependency?
Regards, Daniel
Daniel,
Sorry about that, I keep going through so many of these, I keep mixing
up build-deps/deps in my syntax. Bu
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:43:32 +0100
Michael Hanke wrote:
> for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
> most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most
> recent developments, but it is also I fairly good indicator of the
> projects climate ... which se
> Let me express my appreciation and gratitude for Debian.
Reading debian-devel during the last weeks, I had the same feeling that
some positive counterpart to the recent discussions is needed to somehow
keep the "balance". I intended to post the top 5 reasons, why I love
Debian, but you were fast
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
>> Debian can be considered the optimal environment for brain imaging
>> research (compared to all other possible operating systems).
>
> That is good news - good enough to be made very, very public.
(Just keeping the thread up for adding posit
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> The best part is that, knowing how quality assurance and the BTS
> works, I hardly ever run into problems. If I do run into problems (in
> the spirit of DFSG 3), I know I can bring it up and someone will hear
I meant Debian Social Contract, P
Agustin Martin writes:
> For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
> a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
> expression. No sexual connotation implied at all.
>
> World is not that different,
For the record, the same is true in American Englis
On Fr, 19 Dez 2008, Michael Banck wrote:
> Dear Norbert,
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
> > correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
> > else.
>
> Please use g
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Noah Meyerhans writes:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
> > I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all here to
> > create "a free operating system". I have the impression that some
> > developers merely wish to create "an operating system", or perhaps
>
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53:47PM +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
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> tevent is a simple library that can handle the main event loop for an
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> descripto
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Hoi Guus,
Am Freitag, den 19.12.2008, 23:14 +0100 schrieb Guus Sliepen:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53:47PM +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
>
> >Package name: tevent
> > Description: talloc-based event loop library
> >
> > tevent is a simple library that can handle the main event loop fo
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 09:02:04AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > OTOH, it seems to me that there are people with varying degrees of
> > pragmatism.
>
> That implies a (lamentably common) false dichotomy. Free software
> goals *are* pragmatic goals. They directly affect how we interact with
> the di
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Agustin Martin writes:
>
>> For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
>> a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
>> expression. No sexual connotation implied at all.
>>
>> World is not that different,
>
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
>> > The mission of Debian is not "spot the bigot". Debian embraces people
>> > of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one sh
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> For the record, the same is true in American English (the colloquial
>> phrase being "a stick up your ass" and regularly used without any sexual
>> connotation whatsoever). I don't know if Russell's objections are unique
>> t
#include
* Michael Banck [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 06:13:57PM]:
> Dear Norbert,
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
> > correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
> > else.
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:49 +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
> An alternative would be to implement tevent as a wrapper around libev or
> libevents that added talloc support to the API but that's hardly worth
> the trouble as that would add another dependency and the library is
> pretty small itself
#include
* Cyril Brulebois [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 09:35:24AM]:
> Eduard Bloch (18/12/2008):
> > * Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
> > > http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7991
> >
> > I would like to know what exactly Steve told them. The major tone WRT
> > OSS on that page
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:37:35 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> But then I also thought the parody sent to
> d-d-a was inappropriately sexist and offensive, so I'm apparently some
> sort of censorious Nazi or hyper-sensitive PC freak or whatever the
> current in-vogue terminology for people who prefer b
On 12/19/08 17:18, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
Agustin Martin writes:
For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
expression. No sexual connotation implied at all.
W
On 12/19/08 17:47, Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include
* Michael Banck [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 06:13:57PM]:
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do
Am Samstag, den 20.12.2008, 11:10 +1100 schrieb Robert Collins:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:49 +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
>
> > An alternative would be to implement tevent as a wrapper around libev or
> > libevents that added talloc support to the API but that's hardly worth
> > the trouble as t
Eduard wrote:
>#include
>* Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
>> http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7991
>>
>> From the above news article:
>> # Debian Project Leader Steve McIntyre told iTWire that after Mouette's
>> "abuse
>
>I would like to know what exactly Steve told
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:11:25AM +0100, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > No, the problem is that certain of our French developers *think* that the
> > rest of the world just doesn't understand their French humor and that
> > something has been lost in translation.
> > When the reality is that we understa
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Barry deFreese wrote:
> OK, I have created a new page at:
> http://wiki.debian.org/Gtk1.2ImlibGnome1Removals and linked it to the
> OngoingTransitions page.
Would it be a good idea to file bugs against all packages depending on
the gnome1/gtk1/imlib1 stack? With
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