Symbol files and C++ name mangling

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi all, I just added a symbols control file to the latest upload of the diagnostics library. I started out with a single libdiagnostics0.symbols file, which caused an FTBFS on all archs [0]. So we all know that C++ name mangling has its downsides, but in this case it becomes a real PITA. Though, i

Re: Pls help me

2008-07-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jithesh Chandran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My acer aspire 5310 notebook doesn't perform good with the debian os.. You have emailed the Debian development list, if you are looking for support, please read this page: http://www.debian.org/support In short,

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-20 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Goswin von Brederlow dijo [Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:10:30PM +0200]: I don't think that any of the alternatives are valid candidates yet: - Linux-Vserver, OpenVZ: clearly not the same use case. - Virtualbox,

Re: Symbol files and C++ name mangling

2008-07-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > I just added a symbols control file to the latest upload of the diagnostics > library. I started out with a single libdiagnostics0.symbols file, which > caused > an FTBFS on all archs [0]. So we all know that C++ name mangling has its > downsides, b

glib inconsistencies in testing

2008-07-20 Thread Frank Küster
Hi, since a couple of days ago, I keep getting this message on a lenny system during the configure phase of (seemingly) arbitrary packages: Setting up samba-common (2:3.0.31-1) ... *** This build of Glib was compiled with glib 2.16.4, but is currently running with 2.16.3, which is too old. We'l

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:58, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ]] Ben Finney > > | We could deal with this as we did for '/usr/share/doc' vs '/usr/doc'; > | that is, make '/srv/www/foo' the canonical location but allow a long > | transition period where '/var/www/foo' is permitted as a

Re: x11proto-core 7.0.13 will break Tk

2008-07-20 Thread Florian Weimer
* Sergei Golovan: > Certainly affected packages are tk8.3, tk8.4, tk8.5, blt, tile. Also > perl-tk and ruby are likely to break after possible upgrade of > x11proto-core. (May be other packages which use Tk.) What about statically-linked, proprietary applications? Why hasn't this happened in the

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:43:12AM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg a écrit : > FHS 2.3 specifies in > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > to use /srv for "Data for services provided by this system", for > example /srv/www for web root. > In the policy, the sect

Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. (Practically copied with minor adjustment.) That is good but I felt a bit strange since I needed to use my time to find it out. Then, I realized I am no better than the Ubuntu MOTU developers on how to deal with upstream as

Re: x11proto-core 7.0.13 will break Tk

2008-07-20 Thread Sergei Golovan
On 7/20/08, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Sergei Golovan: > > > Certainly affected packages are tk8.3, tk8.4, tk8.5, blt, tile. Also > > perl-tk and ruby are likely to break after possible upgrade of > > x11proto-core. (May be other packages which use Tk.) > > > What about static

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > FHS 2.3 specifies in > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > to use /srv for "Data for services provided by this system", for > example /srv/www for web root. > In the policy, the section > 9.1.1(http:

Re: glib inconsistencies in testing

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:41:34PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > since a couple of days ago, I keep getting this message on a lenny > system during the configure phase of (seemingly) arbitrary packages: > Setting up samba-common (2:3.0.31-1) ... > *** This build of Glib was compiled with glib 2.16

Re: glib inconsistencies in testing

2008-07-20 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, the bug is that libglib-perl is second-guessing glib's package > dependencies and spitting out warnings that it shouldn't. And it's already reported? Thanks, Frank -- Frank Küster Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Florian Weimer
* Osamu Aoki: > I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. Same here. In my case (debsecan), it's a bit irresponsible because the package doesn't really work on Ubuntu--but it's not readily apparent to potential users. Furthermore, it uses server resources provided to

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 20 July 2008 12:05, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Osamu Aoki: > > I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. > > Same here. In my case (debsecan), it's a bit irresponsible because the > package doesn't really work on Ubuntu--but it's not readily apparent to > potent

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Joey Hess
Osamu Aoki wrote: > I think we should encourage packager to contact upstream with simple > "hello!" message and he (or myself) should be part of active upstream ML. When I had upstreams, I always used to do this. Often though, I'd wait until I had some patches to go with the "hello", to make the

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 18:05 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Osamu Aoki: > > > I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. Have you found any that are not? > Same here. In my case (debsecan), it's a bit irresponsible because the > package doesn't really work on Ubuntu--

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/7/20 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Osamu Aoki: > >> I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. > > Same here. In my case (debsecan), it's a bit irresponsible because the > package doesn't really work on Ubuntu--but it's not readily apparent to > potential u

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Florian Weimer
* Neil Williams: >> What's the correct way to get it out of Unbuntu (universe)? I don't >> want to relicense it, but if asking politely does not work, it seems to >> be my only choice. > > How would you relicence it in a manner that prevents use in Ubuntu but > retains DFSG compatibility to remai

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080720 14:57]: > I think we should encourage packager to contact upstream with simple > "hello!" message and he (or myself) should be part of active upstream ML. > > After all, we all are human. Friendly "hello" always helps people. > > I know this is not somethin

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Franklin PIAT
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 18:42 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080720 14:57]: > > I think we should encourage packager to contact upstream with simple > > "hello!" message and he (or myself) should be part of active upstream ML. > > > > After all, we all are human.

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:34, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: >> FHS 2.3 specifies in >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM >> to use /srv for "Data for services provided by this system", for

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 12:16 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Sunday 20 July 2008 12:05, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Osamu Aoki: > > > I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. > > > > Same here. In my case (debsecan), it's a bit irresponsible because the > > package do

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:42, Florian Weimer wrote: > Relicensing would involve moving the package to non-free, that's > correct. Ui, I dint expect you really would want that. Why not detect if the system is really Debian and if not output "system type unsupported"? regards, Holger

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:34, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > >> FHS 2.3 specifies in > >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > >> to

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 20 July 2008 13:33, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 12:16 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Sunday 20 July 2008 12:05, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > * Osamu Aoki: > > > > I found some of my packages are offered as a part of Ubuntu archive. > > > > > > Same here. In my case

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 19:57 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:42, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Relicensing would involve moving the package to non-free, that's > > correct. > > Ui, I dint expect you really would want that. Why not detect if the system is > really Debia

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Edward Allcutt
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:32:33PM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:34, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > >> FHS 2.3 specifies in > >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBY

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 19:58, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > > "Therefore, no program should rely on a specific subdirectory structure > of /srv existing or data necessarily being stored in

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What's the correct way to get it out of Unbuntu (universe)? I'd suggest filing a bug, and perhaps advertise it on the relevant developer mailing lists. > I don't want to relicense it, but if asking politely does not work, it > seems to be my only c

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 19:58, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't think there's any excemption needed. The FHS already makes it > > essentially impossible for distributors to place anything under /srv. > > Not putting anyth

Re: glib inconsistencies in testing

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:57:26PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, the bug is that libglib-perl is second-guessing glib's package > > dependencies and spitting out warnings that it shouldn't. > And it's already reported? Well, I don't see it o

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:36:33PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > I was refering to the use of /var/www, which isn't FHS valid, and no > > excemption is made in the policy about that. > The FHS is not an exhaustive list of every directory on the system, so > I'm not convinced that introducing a n

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:58:09PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > So you "vote" for an exemption from FSH in this case, as per 9.1.1? > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > "Therefore, no program should rely on a specific subdirectory s

Bug#491597: ITP: magicmaze -- rescue the maiden while avoiding the monsters

2008-07-20 Thread Joe Nahmias
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joseph Nahmias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: magicmaze Version : 1.4.3.1 Upstream Author : Kent "MenThal" Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://magicmaze.rubyforge.org/ * License : "FREEWARE" Programming Lang: Ru

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Neil, On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:32:31PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > I ask because emdebian-tools isn't intended for Ubuntu either. See [0] - > emdebian-tools also depends on server resources provided only by Debian > (in this case, the package repositories containing compatible packages > wh

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-20 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: >> > That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver >> > instead of the ALSA one

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Ben Finney
Edward Allcutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Purpose > > /srv contains site-specific data which is served by this system. > > > To me "site-specific" implies "not installed by the package manager". > I believe it's quite reasonable for apache, CVS, etc. to set up a > default location under

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Ben Finney
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 19:57 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Why not detect if the system is really Debian and if not output > > "system type unsupported"? > > I tried that - it generates a bug report within Ubuntu that I can't > close from within Debian

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 13:43 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Neil, > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:32:31PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > I ask because emdebian-tools isn't intended for Ubuntu either. See [0] - > > emdebian-tools also depends on server resources provided only by Debian > > (in th

Bug#491626: ITP: mina -- Java network application framework

2008-07-20 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: mina Version: 1.1.17 Upstream Author: Apache Software Foundation URL: http://mina.apache.org License: APL 2.0 Description: Java network application framework Apache MINA is a network application fram

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Brendan
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:58:09PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > I think it's perfectly in keeping with other parts of policy to ship our > webservers with /srv/www as the default webroot, and leave it up to the I think that this is a terrible idea.

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:58:09PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > So you "vote" for an exemption from FSH in this case, as per > > > 9.1.1? > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM >

Bug#486250: buildd.emdebian.org: gnupg fails to crossbuild - problem with curl?

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2008-06-14 18:23:07 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: Hello, > *** ../emdebian-tail.log > .../../keyserver/gpgkeys_curl.c:304: error: ?typeof? applied to a bit-field > .../../keyserver/gpgkeys_curl.c:304: error: ?typeof? applied to a bit-field > .../../keyserver/gpgkeys_curl.c:304: error: ?typeof? a

Bug#491634: ITP: libbsd-arc4random-perl -- CPAN module BSD::arc4random

2008-07-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libbsd-arc4random-perl Version : 1.30 Upstream Author : Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.mirbsd.org/man3/arc4random * License : MirOS Licence (same

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Debian BTS should *only* report problems that can be solved from > within Debian, otherwise it's useless noise that leads to that > section being ignored even when it might have something important to > say. That should of course say “The Debian PTS sh

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 01:14:05AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:58:09PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > > So you "vote" for an exemption from FSH in this case, as per > > > > 9.1.1? > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/pa

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The Debian BTS should *only* report problems that can be solved from >> within Debian, otherwise it's useless noise that leads to that section >> being ignored even when it might have something important to say. > >

Re: FHS and /var/www

2008-07-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 01:14:05AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said: > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:58:09PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > > > So you "vote" for an exemption from FSH in this case,

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:43:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > You can close Launchpad bugs in Ubuntu packages from Debian. The "LP: ##" > syntax lets bugs get autoclosed when your package is synced to Debian, or > when it's merged by an Ubuntu developer. Interesting... Does it work

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 11:45 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:43:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > > You can close Launchpad bugs in Ubuntu packages from Debian. The "LP: > > ##" > > syntax lets bugs get autoclosed when your package is synced to Debian,

What to do with new upstream releases before Lenny is out ?

2008-07-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 03:35:35PM +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : > __ >< We freeze next week! > > -- > \ ^__^ > \ (oo)\___ >

Re: What to do with new upstream releases before Lenny is out ?

2008-07-20 Thread Barry deFreese
Charles Plessy wrote: In the next 1~2 monthes that separate us from the release, there will be new upstream releases for the packages I maintain and I am undecided what to do: - Ignore them and dedicate only to Lenny. - Package them only if requested by users. - Upload them to experimental.

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:13 AM, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can close Launchpad bugs in Ubuntu packages from Debian. The "LP: ##" > syntax lets bugs get autoclosed when your package is synced to Debian, or > when it's merged by an Ubuntu developer. Thanks Steve, for this.

Re: What to do with new upstream releases before Lenny is out ?

2008-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the next 1~2 monthes that separate us from the release, there will be > new upstream releases for the packages I maintain and I am undecided > what to do: > > - Ignore them and dedicate only to Lenny. > - Package them only if requested by users. >

Bug#455292: (no subject)

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy G Abbott
owner 455292 ! retitle 455292 ITP: sagemath -- Mathematics software written in Python thanks * Package name: sagemath Version : 3.0.5 * URL : http://www.sagemath.org/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C, Python Description : Mathematics software written i

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-20 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Ben Finney wrote: > The Debian BTS should *only* report problems that can be solved from > within Debian, otherwise it's useless noise that leads to that section > being ignored even when it might have something important to say. > > However, the above bug in the Debian BTS has been archived. Must