Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 05:11, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:34:10PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Anthony Towns [...] > > > > > And people are welcome to hold that opinion and speak about it all they > > > like, but the way Debian makes the actual call on whether a license > > >

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-07 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are two reasons not to use hidden files in /usr, /var, /dev and > other: > 1. It generates false positives (as mention before). And to many false >positives only ends in overlook the real bad files and directories. > 2. There is absolutely no

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In linux.debian.legal MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The package maintainer did not ask debian-legal (serious bug) and I'm > They do not need to. No, there's no absolute *need* to do that, or to follow any of the other directions in debian policy, but it's

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-07 02:20]: > We did pick two compiler warnings and scanned the build logs of one > archive rebuild on alpha (64bit), where wrong code may be generated. > These warnings can be found in 1600 packages [4]; they are: > [4] http://people.debian.org/~tbm/log

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:02:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Just as /etc/bashrc is not hidden, whereas ~/.bashrc is, *why* > > should any *system* files be hidden? > > IMO dotfiles are a historical artifact which we are stuck with. If we > were just

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-06-07 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 01:22:56AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > I have no idea what it would take to persuade you that I am who I say I am, > but if you _only_ accept National Passports then it would appear to be > impossible in my case (which I realise is something of a corner-case). I would probably n

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:34:10PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > The package maintainer did not ask debian-legal (serious bug)=20 > > That's mistaken. debian-legal is a useful source of advice, not a > decision making body. That's precisely as it should be, since there > is absolutely

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:23:07AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In linux.debian.legal MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >The package maintainer did not ask debian-legal (serious bug) and I'm > > They do not need to. > > No, there's no absolute *need* to do that,

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Anthony Towns > > [...] If people have > > weighed the costs and benefits of contacting -legal and decided not to, > > that's entirely their choice. > > Yes, that package maintainer may choose to ignore all of policy. It's > entirely my c

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:45:28AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > This argument is valid only for configuration. There are more > reasons to have files which are not displayed unless you ask for > them. For example: > * .svn > Storing this metadata somewhere else would mean you have to > expli

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Anthony Towns > > > Is there even any dispute that the DLJ indemnity seeks to overturn all > > > the "no warranty" statements in debian and leave the licensee liable > > > for the effects of everything in our operating system? > > > > If y

Re: Summary of Debconf i18n/l10n activities

2006-06-07 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 03:21:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Nice, thanks. While we're at this subject, what's your view on the > Ubuntu language packs? Are we going to extract the translations from > the packages creating language packs? It has pros and cons, and > the best thing i see is the

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:34, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Anthony Towns > > > > > > Is there even any dispute that the DLJ indemnity seeks to overturn > > > > all the "no warranty" statements in debian and leave the licensee > > > > liabl

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Jérôme Warnier
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 02:15 +0200, Axel Beckert a écrit : > Hi! > > > I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old > > machines with poor hardware. > > Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and > not specialised) Linux distribution feasible for o

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 6/7/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Sure. SPI owns many of the machines that Debian owns. If any of these >> machines are being used to distribute this software, as I think is >> likely,

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The guideline to ask debian-legal is not enforced by policy, but > suggested by the Developer's Reference. Please don't confuse things by introducing the DevRef to this. An instruction to mail debian-legal about doubtful copyrights is in policy s2.3. It is a

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1149646535 past the epoch, Axel Beckert wrote: > Why gdm and not wdm? gdm depends on a horribly large bunch > of libraries including GNOME. wdm depends on way less > libraries, looks not as bare as xdm by default does and > still is fast and easy to use. (We use it on all our > Debian workstati

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-06-07 Thread Wookey
+++ Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [06-05-25 20:00 +0200]: > > That being said I (personally) already decided ...[people] > not showing any passports or showing passports: > > - which did not had the *same* spelling as the name in the key (letter by > letter) > > will not get a signature fr

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:29:33AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The guideline to ask debian-legal is not enforced by policy, but > > suggested by the Developer's Reference. > > Please don't confuse things by introducing the DevRef to this. Right, so I was mistake

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:34, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > What I cannot imagine is a case where an upstream change would result in > > only Sun's Java to break rather than a whole bunch of applications > > (so they would most likel

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 02:04:18PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:35:41PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:02:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > The ability to enter into a legal contract to indemnify a third party > > > > should be, and argu

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > debian-legal, OTOH, claims that not only is the stock MIT/X11 licence > 'non-free', but 'it is impractical to work with such software'. I don't believe that those claims are consensual on debian-legal. The MIT/X11 licence is frequently recommended by participant

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No, it doesn't say that: it says "If in doubt, send mail to -legal". It > doesn't say "if the license is doubtful", which is a different matter > entirely. We've been told "both James and Jeroen extensive contact with Sun to ensure that the tricky clauses were

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Mike Bird
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 04:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:34, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > What I cannot imagine is a case where an upstream change would result > > > in only Sun's Java to break rather

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:59:02AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > This is definitely wrong. SPI should not be involved in licence > approval. Firstly, because licence approval is often a political > decision for Debian. And secondly because SPI is not the licencee and > it is very important for thi

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:02:04PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > John Goerzen writes ("Re: Who can make binding legal agreements"): > > The first paragraph of the license linked to by the original > > announcement: > > > > SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC. ("SUN") IS WILLING TO LICENSE THE JAVA PLATFORM > > ST

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 14:04 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > I don't understand why, as SPI President, you'd bring up concerns > regarding SPI's legal position in the middle of a thread on -devel and > -legal, without having discussed it on spi-board, having consulted SPI's > attorney as to th

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi! On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:21:13PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: > > (the graphics card is no more supported in XFree 4.x and there > > no more supported in Sarge) to get it running. > To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the > no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs. Tha

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Cool. Where is this effect of sections 2(f)(i) and 14 disputed? I've > > seen repeated claims that we're not liable for Sun's changes and downstream > > changes, but not upstream changes of parts of

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 02:04:18PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:35:41PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > Nobody was suggesting that, and I fail to understand why it is in > > anyone's interests for you to ratchet up the heat on this issue > > another notch by making remark

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 14:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:34, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > What I cannot imagine is a case where an upstream change would result > > > in only Sun's Java to break rather

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:05:20PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think these are all very reasonable statements. Not being an > ftp-master, it's not really my decision to make, but my personal opinion > is that the above is good advice and the closer we can make the > relationship between SPI's l

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 05:45:27AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 04:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:34, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > What I cannot imagine is a case where an ups

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 05:08:40PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 14:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > > If you are not misguided, then why DLJ license creators put texts like: > > > > > > "the use or distrib

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 02:38:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > Cool. Where is this effect of sections 2(f)(i) and 14 disputed? I've > > > seen repeated claims that we're not liable for Sun's changes a

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Michael Poole
Wouter Verhelst writes: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 02:38:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > > Cool. Where is this effect of sections 2(f)(i) and 14 disputed? I've > > > > seen repeated claims that w

Bug#371070: ITP: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-locator-grid-perl -- A Wiki::Toolkit plugin to manage co-ordinate data

2006-06-07 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-locator-grid-perl Version : 0.05 Upstream Author : The Wiki::Toolkit team * URL : http://www.wiki-toolkit.org/ * License : Dual GPL/Artistic D

Bug#371075: ITP: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-diff-perl -- format differences between two Wiki::Toolkit pages

2006-06-07 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-diff-perl Version : 0.10 Upstream Author : The Wiki::Toolkit team * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Wiki-Toolkit-Plugin-Diff/ * License : Dual

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-06-07 Thread Christoph Haas
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:25:27AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Christoph Haas wrote: > > Yes, of course. Besides some minor things I don't quite like about > > Subversion ([...] getting out old revisions of a file means typing > > the full URL for no reason) > > svn cat -r Oh, thanks. I

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 18:18, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 05:08:40PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 14:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:51:25PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > > > If you are not misguided, then why DLJ

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 02:38:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Why do I need a case where some other application breaks? > > The indemnification is for problems in the Operating System, > > not only for Sun Java. > > Right. And what's wrong with that? Why do you

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 02:15 schrieb Axel Beckert: > + The dropping of the 2.4 kernel line: This will drop AFAIK support >   for e.g. active ISDN cards. The other way round: active cards are still supported as before, at least the AVM B1 cards and all others that already support CAPI. What lac

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert: > I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working > laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be > exchanged either. What about using the vesa of fbdev drivers? Maybe slow but working. HS pgpR476Jn

Re: Summary of Debconf i18n/l10n activities

2006-06-07 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 6/7/06, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 03:21:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Nice, thanks. While we're at this subject, what's your view on the > Ubuntu language packs? Are we going to extract the translations from > the packages creating

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Christian Perrier
> Well, when the DPL is ignoring the developers' opinions, why would the s/the/some of the/ ? signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Mike Bird writes ("Re: Sun Java available from non-free"): > Non-freeness is a red herring. The issue is that a "small cabal" - > - a small cabal operating outside its field of expertise - has > placed Debian in the position of indemnifying Sun. This is obviously not possible. Debian is not a le

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes ("Re: Sun Java available from non-free"): > Also, I should add that agreeing to a license that commits SPI to > indemnify Sun Who is purporting to commit SPI to indemnifying Sun ? AFAICT ftpmasters are indemnifying Sun. This is silly of them but probably not actually fatal.

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Jon Kåre Hellan
OK, I'll chime in. I just hope I'm not making matters worse. First, obligatory disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a Debian developer, I'm not a new maintainer applicant either. And I'm certainly not going to make demands on anybody. I'm a resident of Norway, so that is the legal system I am

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes ("Re: Who can make binding legal agreements"): > First, I don't believe that SPI has ever granted anyone the ability to > enter into legally-binding agreements to indemnify (which means to use > our resources to defend) third parties. I may be mistaken, though. > Could you plea

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes ("Re: Who can make binding legal agreements"): > The first paragraph of the license linked to by the original > announcement: > > SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC. ("SUN") IS WILLING TO LICENSE THE JAVA PLATFORM > STANDARD EDITION DEVELOPER KIT ("JDK" - THE "SOFTWARE") TO YOU ONLY Yes, b

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Jeremy Hankins writes ("Non-DD's in debian-legal"): > I'm not sure I understand this part, though. Do you think that folks > like myself, who are not DD's, should not participate in the discussions > on d-l? Actually, I think they should not participate, in general. The arguments that are had on

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Joe Smith
"Martijn van Oosterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/7/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Sure. SPI owns many of the machines that Debian owns. If any o

GBit performance problem with nfs client

2006-06-07 Thread Gordon Grubert
Dear Debian developers, it seems that there is a little problem with the NFS client in Debian sarge. I hope this is the best place to post this problem. I have discussed this on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2006/06/msg00130.html before but no solution has been found. The situation:

Re: GBit performance problem with nfs client

2006-06-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Gordon Grubert wrote: > I have a file server running on Sarge AMD64 connected > with a 1GBit interface to a GBit uplink off the switch. > Do not think that this sounds like a common problem. It isn't!!! ... > The most interesting fact is, that I obtain about 10MB/s with > my

Bug#371836: ITP: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-categoriser-perl -- Category management for Wiki::Toolkit

2006-06-07 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-categoriser-perl Version : 0.04 Upstream Author : The Wiki::Toolkit team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Wiki-Toolkit-Plugin-Cat

Bug#371838: ITP: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-rss-reader-perl -- retrieve RSS feeds for inclusion in Wiki::Toolkit nodes

2006-06-07 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libwiki-toolkit-plugin-rss-reader-perl Version : 1.5 Upstream Author : The Wiki::Toolkit team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Wiki-Toolkit-Plugin-RSS-R

severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y. I have recently been told by a maintainer that my logic in this regard is faulty. Is it? Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity > of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y. > > I have recently been told by a maintainer that my logic in this regard > is faulty. Is it? Depends on how you

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity >> of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y. >> >> I have recently been told by a maintainer that m

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Jérôme Warnier
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 19:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler a écrit : > Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert: > > I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working > > laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be > > exchanged either. > > What

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:46:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > And hi to everyone from /.! > > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/06/07/047204.shtml for those playing along > at home. If you wanted to avoid publicity, not announcing the inclusion of 'Sun Java' on debian-devel-announce would hav

toward

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Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 07:08:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity > > of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y. > > I have recently been told by

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >>> I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity >>> of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y.

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Martin Michlmayr may or may not have written... > * Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-07 02:20]: >> We did pick two compiler warnings and scanned the build logs of one >> archive rebuild on alpha (64bit), where wrong code may be generated. These >> warnings can be found in

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the above link point to your post, you can only blame yourself for > its content. It's not strictly necessary to bitch about Anthony's actions at every opportunity. If you disagree with his course of actions, perhaps dropping him a private mail

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-07 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Henning Makholm may or may not have written... [snip] > But I don't think I have ever used ls from an interactive shell _without_ > the -a flag. I use -A rather than -a - it filters out "." and "..". -- | Darren Salt| linux or ds at | nr. Ashington, | Toon | RISC

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-07 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But I don't think I have ever used ls from an interactive shell > _without_ the -a flag. I use -a (or -A) very, very rarely. (Not that I don't agree that the concept of hidden files should be replaced by using ~/etc/ for "dotfile", but when we do thi

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nope. A corner-case bug in a compiler may break compilation of a single > package. The build failure of this package is a serious bug for this > package; it is not a serious bug for the compiler. Well, except that it seems to me that any code generat

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:28:29AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-07 02:20]: > > We did pick two compiler warnings and scanned the build logs of one > > archive rebuild on alpha (64bit), where wrong code may be generated. > > These warnings can be fou

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You probably hit a soft spot there because suddenly the bug became RC > and blocks the package from entering testing. The destinction between > normal and important is purely visual while serious and above have > real effects. This may be true, b

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Axel Beckert
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 07:04:40PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert: > > I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working > > laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be > > exchanged either. > > What a

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 04:42:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Nope. A corner-case bug in a compiler may break compilation of a single > > package. The build failure of this package is a serious bug for this > > package; it is not a serious

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 10:28 schrieb Martin Michlmayr: > Hendrik Sattler >   obexftp 0.19-4 Those can be ignored for now, as they are double casts: uint32_t -> char* -> int Not nice but won't harm, I guess (or do we have 16bit architectures?). And not related to GCC-4.1 at all. HS pgpdUjcVT

One can not guess if somebody is willing to accept private mails or not...

2006-06-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:32:36PM +0100, Matthew Garrett a écrit : > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Given the above link point to your post, you can only blame yourself for > > its content. > > It's not strictly necessary to bitch about Anthony's actions at every > opportunity.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:13:16PM +0300, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:41:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Anthony Towns > > > [...] If people have > > > weighed the costs and benefits of contacting -legal and decided not to, > > > that's entirely their choice. > > Yes, that pack

Re: One can not guess if somebody is willing to accept private mails or not...

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the early 2006, I complained privately about the sarcastic tone of > one of the answers he made to me on -devel, and I guess that I hurted > him more strongly than if I had done this publicly, because I received > insults on his blog in return. I sai

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 7 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell verbalised: > > I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the > severity of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug > Y. I don't think so. > I have recently been told by a maintainer that my logic in this > regard is faulty. I

Re: Debian Light Desktop - meta package

2006-06-07 Thread Miles Bader
Jérôme Warnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the > no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs. They requested anybody who > noticed that its graphics card worked with previous versions of XFree86 > but no longer with 4.x to submit a bug and it

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:15:12PM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:46:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > And hi to everyone from /.! > > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/06/07/047204.shtml for those playing > > along > > at home. > If you wanted to avoid publicity, no

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:07:07AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > So what am I trying to do? > Most importantly, make sure that SPI and Debian aren't exposed to > serious legal risks. Then why don't you contact Greg and the SPI board yourself? > As I've said already, I don't want SPI to be involved

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:18:04PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Jeremy Hankins writes ("Non-DD's in debian-legal"): > > I'm not sure I understand this part, though. Do you think that folks > > like myself, who are not DD's, should not participate in the discussions > > on d-l? > Actually, I think t

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:28:29AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-07 02:20]: > > We did pick two compiler warnings and scanned the build logs of one > > archive rebuild on alpha (64bit), where wrong code may be generated. > > Thes

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:53:24PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > The others are trivially fixable; of these, the one in libavcodec is already > fixed in CVS. I've committed the rest (they're basically s/int/long/) and am > forwarding them appropriately. long is not appropriate to save pointers, you

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-07 Thread MJ Ray
Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] as we've just seen, people (both people from debian-legal and > elsewhere) do seem to think that debian-legal is or ought to be where > these decisions are taken. Who did that? I must have missed a few posts. FWIW, I think that debian-legal is a useful res

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Colin Tuckley
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Colin Tuckley > ploticus 2.20-4 This and several other benign warnings will be fixed in the next upload. Colin -- Colin Tuckley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP/GnuPG Key Id +44(0)1903 236872 | +44(0)7799 143369 | 0x1B3045CE "Apple" (c) Copyright 1767, Sir