Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Ter, 2005-08-23 às 09:54 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu: > Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [Thomas Bushnell] > >> Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* > >> against something. > > > > Not doing the work is working passively against it, wh

Re: Will the amd64 port be rejected because of the 98% rule?

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 06:59:52AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Andreas Jochens writes: >> Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> > - must have successfully compiled 98% of the archive's source (excluding >> > arch-specific packages) > >> Andreas Jochens writes: >

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sven Luther wrote: >> All packages should be built by official debian buildds anyway, not on >> developper machines with random cruft and unsecure packages installed, or > even >> possibly experimental or home-modified stuff. > > Actually, it's bette

Re: Using buildds only (was: Results of the meeting...)

2005-08-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/23/05, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:14:28AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:32:33AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > > It doesn't really hurt us right now, so we didn't start

Re: Using buildds only (was: Results of the meeting...)

2005-08-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/23/05, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:42:18 +0200, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >Something like this is in fact considered. Probably Ubuntu won't use > >pbuilder itself since it is not the most efficient implementation > >around, but rebuilding the

Re: how to fully replace another package

2005-08-23 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Ter, 2005-08-23 às 11:11 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu: > If you do that, how do you ensure that these two cases are both handled > sanely?: > > - after installing the coldplug package, the admin purges the hotplug > package, and later reinstalls it (removing coldplug) > - after installing t

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 12:40:18AM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: >> Actually perhaps software should be built outside of clean chroots. Why? >> Because if there is a possibility that a dirty chroot will cause the package >> to >> fail, there is a bug

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Actually perhaps software should be built outside of clean >> chroots. Why? Because if there is a possibility that a dirty chroot >> will cause the package to fail, there is a bug in some peice of >> software.

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/23/05, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 23 August 2005 10:20, W. Borgert wrote: > > I have checked in some files into svn.debian.org. The files are > > in UTF-8 encoding[1], but the web front-end seems to believe in > > ISO-8859-1. Did I do something wrong when checking in f

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 05:04:57PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >> Not a kernel feature, but see >> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/schroot > > Does not help, each chroot needs to be setup by root and you need root > priviledges to install packa

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [Thomas Bushnell] >>> Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* >>> against something. >> >> Not doing the work is working passively against it, while prohibiting >> oth

Re: Is dpkg --compare-versions canonical?

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks for the confirmation! > > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> also sprach Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.23.1908 +0200]: > >>> Is there a document anywhere outside of the dpkg source that explains >>> the algorithm for how ver

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-23 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 23 August 2005 22:39, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On 8/23/05, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 August 2005 10:20, W. Borgert wrote: > > > I have checked in some files into svn.debian.org. The files are > > > in UTF-8 encoding[1], but the web front-end seems to belie

Re: Is dpkg --compare-versions canonical?

2005-08-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is out of date since it does not explain ~ yet. Maybe, if you have > the time and since you just looked at the matter closely anyway, you > could draw up a few lines and send a patch? I'm certainly willing to do so, but I thought that policy w

Re: Will the amd64 port be rejected because of the 98% rule?

2005-08-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050823 22:24]: > Doing a count yourself you can get >10% divergence from the buildd.d.o > stats depending what you count exactly. > > So before any line should be drawn someone should define a correct > counting method and generate at least a month worth

Re: Is dpkg --compare-versions canonical?

2005-08-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050823 22:58]: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It is out of date since it does not explain ~ yet. Maybe, if you have > > the time and since you just looked at the matter closely anyway, you > > could draw up a few lines and send a patch? >

Re: Is dpkg --compare-versions canonical?

2005-08-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.23.2257 +0200]: > I'm certainly willing to do so, but I thought that policy wasn't ready to > change yet. Wasn't it waiting on implementation of that feature in dak, > which is currently using ~ internally for something else? Yes, APT and dpkg

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-23 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I often do "debuild -us -uc -nc" outside the chroot till i get the > package to build and then build just source and dump it into the local > buildd to confi

invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread Shaun Jackman
What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) E: eagle source: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64 [build-depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64]] Thanks, Shaun debhelper 4.9.5 lintian 1.23.11

Re: Using buildds only

2005-08-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:54:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then you'd have to keep the master chroot image up-to-date. If you don't > > do that, after a while the master image will digress too much from the > > actual Debian archive, and

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.0044 +0200]: > What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? > > Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) > > E: eagle source: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64 > [build-depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64]] Lintian d

Re: Is dpkg --compare-versions canonical?

2005-08-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050823 22:58]: >> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > It is out of date since it does not explain ~ yet. Maybe, if you have >> > the time and since you just looked at the matter closely anyway, you >>

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread Shaun Jackman
2005/8/23, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > also sprach Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.0044 +0200]: > > What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? > > > > Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) > > > > E: eagle source: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 24 Août 2005 01:25, Shaun Jackman a écrit : > 2005/8/23, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > also sprach Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.0044 +0200]: > > > What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? > > > > > > Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) >

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.0125 +0200]: > Can I upload the package regardless, or will it break the buildd? You can upload regardless. You may want to add lintian and linda overrides. Check the /usr/share/doc info for lintian and the linda manpage for information of

Re: Bug#324677: ITP: fruit -- Fruit is an UCI-only chess engine.

2005-08-23 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Steinar H. Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does UCI-only mean? UCI is a protocol for communication between the engine and a user interface. The other popular protocol is WinBoard. > What sets it apart from other chess engines in Debian, such as gnuchess or > phalanx? (Or crafty, for

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-23 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Sven Luther [Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:17:10 +0200]: > > Sven Luther dijo [Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:52:06PM +0200]: > > > the security level would still be higher using only official > > > buildds and centraly controled. > > > The only reason this does not happen is that the ftp-masters dislike the

Re: Will the amd64 port be rejected because of the 98% rule?

2005-08-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:13:35AM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: > On 05-Aug-21 03:58, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - must have successfully compiled 98% of the archive's source (excluding > > arch-specific packages) > It is not possible to build 98% of the unmodified source packages from > the '

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? > Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) > E: eagle source: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64 > [build-depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64]] lintian bug #322291. There's nothing wron

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-23 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:58:06 -0500]: > The end goal is not just to have packages built on the > buildd -- and important goal for Debian, certainly, but not the only > one we have. As promoters of free software, we also are committed to > have packages build for our user

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 07:58:40PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > On Monday 22 August 2005 23.51, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 06:22:11PM +, W. Borgert wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 07:29:31PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > > > > really matters: can we (the De

Re: [PATCH] Simple parallellized boot sequence (and a plea for LSB complience)

2005-08-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Petter Reinholdtsen | Add a block like this in the init.d script (example based on | xdebconfigurator): | | ### BEGIN INIT INFO | # Provides: xdebconfigurator | # Required-Start:$syslog | # Required-Stop: $syslog | # Should-Start: $local_fs | # Should-Stop:

Re: arch, svn, cvs

2005-08-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Peter Samuelson | [Tollef Fog Heen] | > I just stumbled across one issue: it doesn't handle the case where | > you change your encoding without checking out the repository again: | > | > : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/svn/trunk > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 svn st | > svn: Valid UTF-8 data | > (hex: 46) | > follo

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