Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > All of MoFo trademarks that were not being used in a manner > > consistent with trademark law[2] would have to be expunged from > > the work, > > What trademarks are you referring to? Already the Debian packa

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Joerg Friedrich
Steve Langasek schrieb am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2005 um 03:12:09 -0700: > Consistent LFS support - Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Short question: What does LFS mean? The first thing which comes into my mind is Linux from Scratch. Seems not to fit in this context. -- J�Friedrich There are on

Re: Question regarding 'offensive' material

2005-06-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:08:57PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > than the pictures in any sexual education book). So we have to do > > something about it, because it's a given. I was thinking that maybe > > debtags would provide a solution. You can i

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/16/05, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if someone can change the cache of data written by prelink then why > couldn't they also change the program that does the md5 checks to make it > always return a good result? A long, long time ago, you were supposed to boot from a read-onl

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/16/05, Joerg Friedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Langasek schrieb am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2005 um 03:12:09 -0700: > > Consistent LFS support - Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Short question: > What does LFS mean? The first thing which comes into my mind is Linux > from Scratch.

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
> > Ummm... And if instead of asking the user for a disk change, this > mini-initrd just keeps polling the floppy for a non-erroneous read > (this means, the drive is not empty) with the correct magic at the > correct place? I don't think you actually have to read anything. You can use the disk c

relocation error(s) with various binaries

2005-06-16 Thread Chris Gorman
Hello, Recently my /usr/ directory had a bad recovery in which a great deal of /usr/lib was placed into lost+found additionaly, once the recovery was complete the dynamic loader was complaining about the libraries no longer having the proper signatures. So, I decided to manage this with a recover

Re: relocation error(s) with various binaries

2005-06-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Chris Gorman] > + exec /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox > /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: relocation error: > /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1: undefined symbol: _Xglobal_lock Try reinstalling libx11-6. Verify that it has the symbol in question: nm --dynamic /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-16 Thread Cesare Tensi
Hy, I believe that the question is going to deadlocking itself. If the user need to using the "ifconfig" program, that user must include the right directory where was originally located ("/sbin"). Just 2 my cent Cesare On 6/16/05, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Kettlewell dijo

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Chris Halls
On Wednesday 15 Jun 2005 10:09, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 10:31:45AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I didn't see anyone proposing prelinking so far. I've seen rumors > > that program start time for some programs decrease a lot if prelinking > > is enabled. It would be

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 à 01:03 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > The Mozilla Foundation have made many shows of good faith via Gervase in > > this long running debate which he has continued to follow despite the > > criticisms levelled at him/the Mozilla Foundation. Obviously if they > > turn aroun

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard Kettlewell dijo [Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:42:01PM +0100]: >> I think it doesn't go far enough. >> >> mv sbin/* bin >> rmdir sbin >> ln -s bin sbin >> >> ...and the problem goes away forever. > > You type too fast. > > Are you _sure_ no two

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Simon Huggins
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:03:52AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > Indeed the most pragmatic thing to do is to keep the name. But you > > > don't feel that accepting a deal with the Mozil

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Simon Huggins
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:20:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That there is such a hue and cry over rebranding Firefox in Debian > > indicates to me that it *is* a significant burden we would be (and are > > now) asking of our downstream users. > Se

Bug#314452: ITP: xfplan -- Xwindows general aviation flight planner

2005-06-16 Thread Stephen Birch
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is an X Windows version of fplan (ITP files 311070). * Package name: xfplan Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/fplan/ * License

Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila
Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin and the Project Leader to consider seriously doing something to reduce the level of spam we have to receive, store, and filter in our @debian.org addresses. For example, we could use greylisting. Or we could reject messages that are

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:01:17AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > H... Silly me thought that Italian was the only Latin language > which used no diacritics. Which kind of accents does it have? Italian can have accents over vowels, some are read differently if they are grave or acute: à è é í

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Jeu 16 Juin 2005 14:33, Santiago Vila a écrit : > Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin and > the Project Leader to consider seriously doing something to reduce > the level of spam we have to receive, store, and filter in our > @debian.org addresses. > > For example,

Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-16 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
> > What trademarks are you referring to? Already the Debian > > packages don't use any of the trademarked images and logos? > > If we don't use any trademarked images, logos, or phrases, what > exactly are we talking about here? As I think this is a very nice question, could Eric or any other p

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 15:09 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Jeu 16 Juin 2005 14:33, Santiago Vila a écrit : > > Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin and > > the Project Leader to consider seriously doing something to reduce > > the level of spam we have to receive, s

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Gunnar Wolf wrote: Enrico Zini dijo [Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 12:49:39PM +0200]: I've been it_IT.UTF-8 for quite a while with no problems. And I also get to be able to write the name of my girlfriend, which Latin1 cannot encode, together with accented Italian words, which BIG5 cannot encode. H

Re: TODO for etch ?

2005-06-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 16, Paul TBBle Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And there there's hotplug-ng [1], a hotplug replacement in C, which I'm > looking forward to a packaging of, now that klibc's in the ITP list. You'd better not, because I have already ITP'ed it a long time ago. :-) -- ciao, Marco signa

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin > and the Project Leader to consider seriously doing something to > reduce the level of spam we have to receive, store, and filter in > our @debian.org addresses. > > For example, we could

heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Jeremie Koenig
I got no luck lately and managed to make ssh-krb5 fail due to library linkage weirdness. It took me ages to figure out what was going on! (I learnt alot on the way, however.) To reproduce the breakage: 1. install libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal, libnss-ldap and ssh-krb5 (something else linked

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Gervase Markham
Simon Huggins wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:03:52AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well actually to some degree they've already done this. Recently the CAcert (www.cacert.org) project's root CA made it into our ca-certificates package. However I can't

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-16 Thread Alexander Sack
Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: >>>What trademarks are you referring to? Already the Debian >>>packages don't use any of the trademarked images and logos? >>> >>> >>If we don't use any trademarked images, logos, or phrases, what >>exactly are we talking about here? >> >> > >As I think t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:20:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Second, the real problems with rebranding are not with the technical >> work that has to happen, from the sound of it. They're with user >> recognition and the ability of users to find the

Re: heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeremie Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I got no luck lately and managed to make ssh-krb5 fail due to library > linkage weirdness. It took me ages to figure out what was going on! (I > learnt alot on the way, however.) > To reproduce the breakage: > 1. install libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimd

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-16 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:09:06AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Christian Perrier > | > Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. > | > | Do you have real examples? > IRC. An example is the current irssi in Debian which doesn't do > recoding between different locales. (And

Re: TODO for etch ?

2005-06-16 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:05:52PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 16, Paul TBBle Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And there there's hotplug-ng [1], a hotplug replacement in C, which I'm > > looking forward to a packaging of, now that klibc's in the ITP list. > You'd better not, because

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > All of MoFo trademarks that were not being used in a manner > > > consistent with trademark law[2] would have to be expunged from > > > the work, > > > > What

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:20:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That there is such a hue and cry over rebranding Firefox in Debian > > > indicates to me that it *is* a significant burden we would be (an

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 à 01:03 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > > The Mozilla Foundation have made many shows of good faith via Gervase in > > > this long running debate which he has continued to follow despite the > > > criticisms levelled at him/the

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Stig Sandbeck Mathisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've got experience with use of greylisting for a mail platform with > over 1M accounts. Enabling greylisting for this platform reduced > delivered spam with 80-90%. This is simply because most of the > infected machines does not attempt a secon

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:03:52AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > Indeed the most pragmatic thing to do is to keep the name. But you >

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-16 Thread John Hasler
Alexander Sack writes: > In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product > name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it > is used in the help menu, the about box, the package-name and the window > title bar. I'm not convinced that any of these

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Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How many complaints for messages not delivered did you get? We whitelisted about every client we received mail from the past year, so the number of complaints was pretty low. If you also follow the logs closely for a while, you'll find a few sites you'l

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2005-06-16 Thread Newsletter
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Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:54:08PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: > Daniel Stone wrote: > > libc6 added interfaces between 2.3.2 and 2.3.5 and made several other > > major changes, so all packages built with .5 depend on .5 or above, > > in case you use one of the new interfaces. > > > > A binary built

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Cesar Martinez Izquierdo
El Jueves 16 Junio 2005 18:11, Russ Allbery escribió: [snip] > That being said, we absolutely should not allow the trademark issue to > give MoFo any more of a veto on package changes than any other upstream > would have. If we feel we need to make a change to improve the package > for our users a

Re: relocation error(s) with various binaries

2005-06-16 Thread Chris Gorman
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Chris Gorman] > > + exec /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox > > /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: relocation error: > > /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1: undefined symbol: _Xglobal_lock > > Try reinstalling libx11-6. Done. It was one of th

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:54:08PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: > > Daniel Stone wrote: > > > libc6 added interfaces between 2.3.2 and 2.3.5 and made several other > > > major changes, so all packages built with .5 depend on .5 or above, > > > in c

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 11:20:57AM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > > > > > Does the opposite make it worse? I think so. > > >

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Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-16 20:53]: > > findimagedupes -- Finds visually similar or duplicate images [#218699] > > Though I probably can't adopt it (due to lack of time), it would be a > pity to loose this since there is no comparable commandline tool > available and it works qu

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:00:17PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > But I don't think it's good for our users for Debian to have rights > that the user don't have. We are only concerned with the rights that apply to the software, not the name. The users have all of the same rights to the software

Re: Planning a libglade to libglade2 transition

2005-06-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-14 13:10]: > Many of these are GNOME1.x-specific libraries, in turn used by GNOME1.x > applications that as yet have no GNOME2 equivalent. (At the top of my > personal list there is gnucash...) Okay, given that GTK1 won't disappear immediately (and ma

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Rich Walker
Stig Sandbeck Mathisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > Sounds like you've been a victim of a poorly implemented greylisting > service. Probably greylistd. It does exactly what it says on the can - unfortunately, the combination of the fact that the list of "known [EMAIL PROTECTED]" mail s

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Ian Murdock
Daniel Stone wrote: > libc6 added interfaces between 2.3.2 and 2.3.5 and made several other > major changes, so all packages built with .5 depend on .5 or above, > in case you use one of the new interfaces. > > A binary built with 2.3.2 can run with .5, but a binary built with .5 > can't necessari

Ada in Debian, past, present and future. Request for Advocate.

2005-06-16 Thread Ludovic Brenta
In July 2003, I adopted the package gnat and several other Ada packages. In November 2003, Matthias Klose sponsored my first few packages into Debian unstable. After I adopted all the orphaned packages I could, I created several new packages from sratch. Now, all my packages have been released a

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Laszlo Boszormenyi
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 20:00 +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-16 20:53]: > > Though I probably can't adopt it (due to lack of time), it would be a > > pity to loose this since there is no comparable commandline tool > > available and it works quite well. >

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Laszlo Boszormenyi wrote: "[2002/02/06 23:55] PixiePlus[2] now supports similar image finding using an algorithm based on mine, and for those unable to run a current version of KDE, gqview[3] will also find your similar images, albeit using a different algorithm whose result

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Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Sven Mueller
Martin Michlmayr wrote on 16/06/2005 19:18: > findimagedupes -- Finds visually similar or duplicate images [#218699] > * Orphaned 590 days ago > * Package orphaned > 360 days ago. Though I probably can't adopt it (due to lack of time), it would be a pity to loose this since there is no compara

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-16 22:53]: > > if-transition -- A Change in the Weather, an interactive short story > > [#260720] > > * Orphaned 327 days ago > > I cannot find this one on powerpc. It's in non-free. > > moria -- A roguelike game with an infinite dungeon [#274472]

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Laszlo Boszormenyi
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 22:13 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Perhaps this might be true for the initial Perl implementation, but: > > "[2001/03/03 10:05] Markus Schoder has contributed finddupes.cpp, GPL'ed > source code for a C++ based version of my horribly slow compare routine. In > his testing

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Paul Gear
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > ... > trustees -- Advanced permission management system for Linux [#251189] > orphaned 379 days ago, according to maintainer upstream dead, removal > already suggested one year ago, very small install base One more issue in favour of this is that Novell have released

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Rich Walker
Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin Michlmayr wrote on 16/06/2005 19:18: >> findimagedupes -- Finds visually similar or duplicate images [#218699] >> * Orphaned 590 days ago >> * Package orphaned > 360 days ago. > > Though I probably can't adopt it (due to lack of time), it would

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Rich Walker
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-16 22:53]: >> > if-transition -- A Change in the Weather, an interactive short story >> > [#260720] >> > * Orphaned 327 days ago >> >> I cannot find this one on powerpc. > > It's in non-free. > >> > mor

Re: [the perfectly harmless] heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Jeremie Koenig
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:44:41PM +0200, Jeremie Koenig wrote: > I got no luck lately and managed to make ssh-krb5 fail due to library > linkage weirdness. It took me ages to figure out what was going on! > (I learnt alot on the way, however.) > > To reproduce the breakage: > 1. install libsasl2

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 07:23:39PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:48:55AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Where possible, sure. But "principles" doesn't mean "the rules sh

setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
If one is faced with the task to set the umask globally for all users and shells, this turns out to be a job of redundancy: every shell uses its own file in /etc, and you end up making changes to 5 files or more (depending on the number of installed shells). What's worse: change the umask and you'l

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > All of MoFo trademarks that were not being used in a manner > > > > consistent with trademark law[2] would have

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hoary (like sarge) is built against 2.3.2. > > Breezy (like current sid) is built against 2.3.5. Why? -- Ian Murdock 317-578-8882 (office) http://www.progeny.com/ http://ianmurdock.com/ "A nerd is someone who uses a telephone to talk to oth

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Ian Murdock
On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I strongly suspect they're > > more interested in your X.org and GNOME 2.10. Given > > that, a lot of this divergence seems pretty gratutious to me. > > Yes, these are both very interesting to users. > > Which 'divergence' do you mean when y

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread Adeodato Simó
* martin f krafft [Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:05:08 +0200]: > 1. gather comments. apt-cache show libpam-umask -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 10:39:39PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > And moria hasn't had a bug in a long time. While many bugs are a reason to remove a package quickly, no bugs aren't a reason to keep it forever. The Debian QA group maintains packages that are orphaned to give other maintainers the cha

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.0011 +0200]: > > 1. gather comments. > > apt-cache show libpam-umask Very nice. I almost feel silly now. Is there any point in following through with the /etc/umask.conf proposal? libpam-umask is optional after all, and unless people

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, martin f krafft wrote: > If one is faced with the task to set the umask globally for all > users and shells, this turns out to be a job of redundancy: every > shell uses its own file in /etc, and you end up making changes to > 5 files or more (depending on the number of instal

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Martin Michlmayr schrieb: > race -- 3D arcade overhead car game [#251706] > orphaned 376 days ago, about 3 years old, new upstream releases not > uploaded, medium install base, "only a game" race eats up 640MB of memory, then dies on my system (ppc). > arpd -- User-space ARP daemon [#19

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Most of the creditted authors have stated that they are happy for it to > be converted to GPL. Most isn't enough; someone needs to decide that all of the code has now been covered or replace the code that hasn't been covered. > And moria hasn't had a bug

Re: [the perfectly harmless] heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeremie Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm still not completely understanding how I have been able to come up > with this library clash "evidence" (maybe I just needed a culprit.) The > sensible thing I'm going to do now is reporting a wishlist bug against > libkrb53 to tolerate whitespace

Re: heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 08:19:32AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jeremie Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I got no luck lately and managed to make ssh-krb5 fail due to library > > linkage weirdness. It took me ages to figure out what was going on! (I > > learnt alot on the way, however.) >

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.0033 +0200]: > There is already an umask setting in /etc/login.defs. If it makes people > happy, I will happily drop the umask setting from /etc/profile, so > that people do not have to decide between login.defs and profile > when trying to

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Ian Murdock wrote: > On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I strongly suspect they're > > > more interested in your X.org and GNOME 2.10. Given > > > that, a lot of this divergence seems pretty gratutious to me. > > > > Yes, these are both very interesting to users. > > > > Wh

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 16, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not trying to say it's non-free. It is free. What I'm trying to > determine is if we should use the marks within Debian. Let me try Good. This was not obvious at all by reading your precedent postings. > another example. If, say, the Apache

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 17, Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is already an umask setting in /etc/login.defs. If it makes people > happy, I will happily drop the umask setting from /etc/profile, so > that people do not have to decide between login.defs and profile > when trying to set an umask globa

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 17, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.0033 +0200]: > > There is already an umask setting in /etc/login.defs. If it makes people > > happy, I will happily drop the umask setting from /etc/profile, so > > that people do not

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/16/05, Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > glibc. Shipping X.org and GNOME 2.10 adds value, since sarge doesn't > ship them. Shipping glibc 2.6.5 vs. glibc 2.6.2 just adds > incompatibilities. Speaking as someone with no Ubuntu affiliation (and IANADD either), I think that statement is b

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/16/05, Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python is basic for Ubuntu. Given the long freeze of sarge, Debian had > to support 2.1 (jython), 2.2 (for zope 2.6) and 2.3 for sarge. I'm > happy we did have a possibility to ship 2.4.1 with sarge. Maybe not > with the best packaging, but it

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.0103 +0200]: > > /etc/login.defs is only read for console logins, not for e.g. SSH > > logins. > Then maybe the umask setting should be removed from there? r agree. Since any login session these days will invoke a shell, there is no point in

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Sven Mueller
Laszlo Boszormenyi wrote on 16/06/2005 23:13: > On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 22:13 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > >>Perhaps this might be true for the initial Perl implementation, but: >> >>"[2001/03/03 10:05] Markus Schoder has contributed finddupes.cpp, GPL'ed >>source code for a C++ based version of m

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Margarita Manterola
On 6/16/05, Paul Gear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > trustees -- Advanced permission management system for Linux [#251189] > > orphaned 379 days ago, according to maintainer upstream dead, removal > > already suggested one year ago, very small install base > One more issue in favour of this is

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Matthias Klose
Michael K. Edwards writes: > In general, it's not trivial to set up a build environment that > reliably produces binary packages that are installable on both sarge > and hoary. (I happen to have such an environment at work, based on a > part-careful-part-lucky snapshot of sid, but it's not somethi

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:09:47PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Jeu 16 Juin 2005 14:33, Santiago Vila a écrit : > > Now that we have released sarge, I would like to ask debian-admin and > > the Project Leader to consider seriously doing something to reduce > > the level of spam we have to rec

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Rich Walker
Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While many bugs are a reason to remove a package quickly, no bugs > aren't a reason to keep it forever. The Debian QA group maintains > packages that are orphaned to give other maintainers the chance > to adopt it without too much hassle, and as a se

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 04:03:32PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 6/16/05, Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > glibc. Shipping X.org and GNOME 2.10 adds value, since sarge doesn't > > ship them. Shipping glibc 2.6.5 vs. glibc 2.6.2 just adds > > incompatibilities. > Speaking as someo

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Rich Walker
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What's painful about it? > > It stops a lot of viruses and spam, with no false positives. What's the > problem? These are common misapprehensions about greylisting. Unfortunately: It has false positives. /var/lib/greylistd/whitelist-hosts lists a se

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Matthias Klose
Ian Murdock writes: > On 6/16/05, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hoary (like sarge) is built against 2.3.2. > > > > Breezy (like current sid) is built against 2.3.5. > > Why? - Ubuntu supports its powerpc users with a ppc64 toolchain and kernels. - Ubuntu does toolchain upgrades at

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/16/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 04:03:32PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > On the Ubuntu side, divergences from the last Debian glibc drop that > > was merged into hoary (2.3.2.ds1-20) include subtle but important > > fixes to NPTL/TLS (with part

Bug#314541: ITP: buildbot -- Build automation system

2005-06-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: buildbot Version : 0.6.6 Upstream Author : Brian Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Build automation

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 07:23:39PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:48:55AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > Where poss

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-16 Thread Miles Bader
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What's painful about it? > > It stops a lot of viruses and spam, with no false positives. What's the > problem? "No false positives" seems a bit optimistic. One problem I've encountered in the past is big mail providers (like yahoo) who will send retr

Re: setting umask globally

2005-06-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Jun-05, 17:23 (CDT), martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any point in following through with the /etc/umask.conf > proposal? libpam-umask is optional after all, and unless people know > about it, they'll edit multiple files wrt umask, and we *could* > unify this with relati

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Jun 16, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm not trying to say it's non-free. It is free. What I'm trying to > > determine is if we should use the marks within Debian. Let me try > Good. This was not obvious at all by reading your precede

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > All of MoFo trademarks that were not being used in a manne

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > So, maybe it's time to revisit the weaknesses of the shlibs system, > particularly as they apply to glibc. Scott James Remnant had done some > poking in this area about a year ago, which involved tracking when > individual symbols were ad

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > gkdial -- PPP dial-up configuration and dialing tool [#287992] > * Orphaned 164 days ago > * 1 RC bugs. Does any graphical ppp frontend exist that can be used instead of this? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:26:36AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 17:20 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > So, maybe it's time to revisit the weaknesses of the shlibs system, > > particularly as they apply to glibc. Scott James Remnant had done some > > poking in this are

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