Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tollef Fog Heen > It's also a nice way for other packages to update exim's configuration > -- I'm considering shipping files for mailman, for instance. It would > be nice if SA did the same and so on. But you'd do it so that the routers/transports you add are disabled by default, right?

Re: How to force an update if package names changed?

2005-02-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Frenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > i got a question regarding package updates. > > If I have a source pack-1.1 from which some packages including > pack-gui-lang-de-1.1_2 (Provides: pack-gui-lang) are build. > > Now i want to build the languages in seperade packages say > pack-l

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:07:48 +0100, Tore Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >* Tollef Fog Heen > > It's also a nice way for other packages to update exim's configuration > > -- I'm considering shipping files for mailman, for instance. It would > > be nice if SA did the same and so on. > > I would

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread John Hasler
Marc writes: > I would consider it a feature to have mailman work immediately after > installation on a default system, and the exim4 configuration scheme has > explicitly invented with that possibility in mind. I would consider it an obnoxious bug for the installation of a package to alter my ema

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Tore Anderson | * Tollef Fog Heen | | > It's also a nice way for other packages to update exim's configuration | > -- I'm considering shipping files for mailman, for instance. It would | > be nice if SA did the same and so on. | | But you'd do it so that the routers/transports you add a

Bug#296127: ITP: octave-gtk -- GTK+ binding for GNU Octave

2005-02-20 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: octave-gtk Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Muthiah Annamalai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://octave-gtk.sf.net * License : GPL Description : GTK+ binding for GNU Octave Octave GTK+ is a Octave binding fo

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Frank Küster
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On 18 Feb 2005 17:54:42 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>Still, one piece of useful advice has come from the thread: that the >>installation comment should tell the user what to do, rather than what >>not to do. > > Fixing this is

Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-20 Thread Andrea Mennucc
hi I have uploaded mplayer 1.0pre6a-3 It ships a correctly repackaged upstream source; it has a 'debian/rules get-orig-source' (as asked in debian-devel) that creates the .orig.tar.gz It should appear in http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html and in I will put a copy in http://tonelli.sns

Bug#296140: ITP: mydms -- Document Management system

2005-02-20 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miguel Gea Milvaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: mydms Version : 1.4.3 Upstream Author : Markus Whestfal * URL : http://dms.markuswestphal.de/about.html * License : GPL Description : Document Management Sy

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050220 15:25]: > Marc writes: > > I would consider it a feature to have mailman work immediately after > > installation on a default system, and the exim4 configuration scheme has > > explicitly invented with that possibility in mind. > I would consider it an obn

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Christian Perrier
> I don't know how these translation things are handled technically. But > since the intended meaning didn't change at all, I don't see why it is > better to have a "bad" english version and 40 equally "bad" translated > versions, over having a better english version, 10 better translated > version

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Frank Küster
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't know how these translation things are handled technically. But >> since the intended meaning didn't change at all, I don't see why it is >> better to have a "bad" english version and 40 equally "bad" translated >> versions, over having a bett

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:06:46 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At least make enabling the change a Debconf >question. Impossible with current policy since maintainer scripts are forbidden to mess with dpkg-conffiles. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No co

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > No, it's not a good idea. Let's keep the change in mind for etch. That, I fully agree with...:) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ITO: xkeycaps

2005-02-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
I intend to orphan xkeycaps. xkeycaps is no longer maintained upstream (see http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/) and I haven't changed the Debian package in over two years, The package is in reasonable shape, but there are a number of bugs on record (http://bugs.debian.org/src:xkeycaps) which could be ad

Bug 295175 followup

2005-02-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bug 295175, the grave xfree86-common bug that was blocking many autobuilds has now had its fix uploaded to the archive. Unfortunately, the xfree86 build with the fix is failing, and looking at the build logs, I think it's because the buildd chroots are still corrupted with the damage that the bug

Bug#217094: Ongoing efforts with packaging of GNU polyxmass

2005-02-20 Thread Filippo Rusconi
Package: wnpp Followup-For: Bug #217094 The packaging of the GNU polyxmass software suite for simulation and analysis of mass spectrometric data of (bio-)polymers has improved dramatically these last days. The packages are available from http://www.polyxmass.org/debian and are currently reviewed b

Bug#296177: ITP: flpsed -- a WYSIWYG pseudo PostScript editor

2005-02-20 Thread Morten Brix Pedersen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Morten Brix Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: flpsed Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Johannes Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.ecademix.com/JohannesHofmann/ * License : GPL Description : a

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Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below, and > others, aren't indicative that debian should drop s390, mipsel, and > maybe hppa from the list of architectures? How about we release for > i386, sparc, and powerpc, and let the others release

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: > > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below, and > > others, aren't indicative that debian should drop s390, mipsel, and > > maybe hppa from the list of architectures? How

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: >> Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: >> > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below, and >> > others, aren't indicative that debian should drop s390, mipsel, and >>

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: > > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below, and > > others, aren't indicative that debian should drop s390, mipsel, and > > maybe hppa from the list of architectures? How

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tollef Fog Heen > No. If you have exim4 installed and install mailman, it's a > reasonable expectation that you want to use those two together. But you cannot know if I have changed, added, or removed files under conf.d/ in such a way which would make your drop-in routers and transports

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 21, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So which portability problems are the ones that we waste time fixing code > for? You are right, close to none. The usual sources of problems are slow or broken buillds, broken toolchains and buggy kernels. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Desc

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Our chances of actually releasing one day could only increase if we > dropped arches such as mipsel, s390, m68k, ... and concentrated on > those that actually mattered: i386, powerpc, amd64 -- and I'll > gladly add a few more. But a total of eleven

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Tore Anderson
* Marc Haber > If people change the configuration, they will have to bear with > breakage this has caused. If the users cannot safely change Exim's configuration (save using the Debconf scripts), it cannot be considered "configuration" by any Debian standard I have ever seen. And if so, /e

Re: Bug#294491: RFA: povray -- Persistence of vision raytracer

2005-02-20 Thread Miles Bader
Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It's disheartening because while there seem to be other free ray-tracers >> out there with even better rendering quality than povray, I've not found >> one with anything like povray's wonderfully expressive input language -- >> most other projects seem

Bug#296210: ITP: xchat-systray -- xchat systray notification icon

2005-02-20 Thread David Moreno Garza
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xchat-systray Version : 2.4.5 Upstream Author : Patrizio Bassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.blight.tk/ * License : GPL Description : xchat systray not

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Our chances of actually releasing one day could only increase if we >> dropped arches such as mipsel, s390, m68k, ... and concentrated on >> those that actually mattered: i386, powerpc, amd64 -- an

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Brian Nelson wrote: > > There isn't any evidence I've seen that these arch's actually slow > > down the release. > > Getting debian-installer working across all architectures was certainly > an issue at one time, though that time passed a few months ago. Well, if the installe

Re: pwc-source headed for unstable this weekend

2005-02-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> it might be a good idea for make-kpkg to check whether the >> necessary files are present in the kernel tree (and warn loudly if >> they are not) when one tries to build modules. On the other hand I >> have no idea what would be involved in checking thi

Re: The ghost of libc-dev

2005-02-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:58:15AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: >> I don't think there can be much argument that anything that Provides >> c-compiler also has to make sure that standard header files like >> or are present on the system. Otherwise it

Re: Bug 295175 followup

2005-02-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 01:16:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Bug 295175, the grave xfree86-common bug that was blocking many > autobuilds has now had its fix uploaded to the archive. > > Unfortunately, the xfree86 build with the fix is failing, and looking > at the build logs, I think it

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Tore Anderson | * Tollef Fog Heen | | > No. If you have exim4 installed and install mailman, it's a | > reasonable expectation that you want to use those two together. | | But you cannot know if I have changed, added, or removed files under | conf.d/ in such a way which would make your

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Our chances of actually releasing one day could only increase if we dropped > arches such as mipsel, s390, m68k, ... and concentrated on those that > actually > mattered: i386, powerpc, amd64 -- and I'll gladly add a few more.

The installer is not a release blocker...but interest in the installer is decreasing

2005-02-20 Thread Christian Perrier
(from a thread in -devel) Quoting Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > There isn't any evidence I've seen that these arch's actually slow > > > down the release. > > > > Getting debian-installer working across all architectures was cert

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh] > The answer to that is to setup a dist-cc cluster for these archs, > where only the master node is in the slow arch, and everything else > is a fast arch. i.e. far stricter buildd requirements would fix it. > Even mirror space problems can be fixed without dropping a

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: ... But then it doesn't matter anymore. These days, Debian is "infrastructure". We no longer make releases. We provide the basis from which others make releases -- Ubuntu, Prodigy, Knopp

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:33:24AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > >> Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: > >> > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below,