Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > yet. Matt Zimmerman wrote: >Perhaps the maintainer hasn't requested its removal? I don't see a bug >report open against ftp.debian.org. I seem to remem

Re: Programming first steps.

* Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > To clarify: AFAICT, Python is perfectly happy with any sort of > indentation you choose, so long as it's consistent in any given block. > You want to use '', fine. Just don't try to mix it > with '' in the same block. > > As a practical matter, since

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:59:33PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:04:00PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: > > Andrew Lau wrote: > > > So is vrms now up for a name change before the real RMS decides to sue > > > us for misrepresenting him! = ) > > > Nominations are now open

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:25:06PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:10:54AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > Again, read what I wrote, not

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Andres Salomon wrote: > After reading Andreas Tille's link on sub-projects, I'm leaning more > towards that. I have little doubt that a separate distribution (done > correctly) would fly; look at the success of Knoppix, for example. > However, my goals are more in line w/ the

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:08:44PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > H. S. Teoh dijo [Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:47:27PM -0500]: > > > >*chalks up one more reason to avoid Python like the plague...* > > > > > > Uh, care to rewrite that since Python is now on 2.3 and 1.5.2 is > > > several years ol

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:46:15AM +0800, Isaac To wrote: > > "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom> Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old > Tom> memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of > Tom> the wonderful mathematical

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:10:53AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: | > Please actually try to code something in Python before commenting on its use | > of spaces. It is unlike the times of Fortran: in Fortran spaces are used to | > make programs easy to read by machines; in Python spaces are used t

Re: debian-installer beta 1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:44:27AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > "Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Brian May wrote: > > > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > > > > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > > > [...] >

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 04:33:16PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:10:53AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > | > Please actually try to code something in Python before commenting on its > use > | > of spaces. It is unlike the times of Fortran: in Fortran spaces are use

Re: How to allow the removal of emacs20

Quoting Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wrote: > >Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > > > >I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > >yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out wha

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Quoting Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > > yet. > > Perhaps the maintainer hasn't requested its removal? I don't see a bug > report open again

Re: Programming first steps.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:08 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Fact is, Python uses the concept of significant whitespace, which a lot > of us simply don't like. That's a personal opinion, and in most cases > probably not a rational thing, so providing arguments won't help. Can we > cut this thread here, p

keysigning at SCALE 2X?

Hello, I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to get my GPG key signed and get myself going along the New Maintainer process. Thanks. -- Eric Wong

Re: Debian communication and attitude

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:54:26 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Well Marc I have to say that I have received some good advice from James >as ftpmaster in the past. The ftpmasters are in a better position to >judge what's best for the archive as a whole than I am (and than many of >us

Re: debian-installer beta 1

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:38:53 + Paul Hedderly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The inclusion of mdadm would at least enable people to go into a shell > and setup their MD devices. Then all you'd need to do is make sure > some basic MD options are on in the kernel. I put together a raid patch for b

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom> Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old Tom> memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of Tom> the wonderful mathematical algorithms in LinPack, but I have no Tom> fondnes

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:38:20 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >If it's just going to check freeness, maybe "dfsg-check" or something? Since vrms only looks for packages installed from non-free, I'd vote for nonfreebitch. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:28:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:49AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I'm not saying this would be immoral or something like that, but e.g. a > > major release without Evolution [2] (currently ages away from reentering > > testing) might

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:54:17AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I seem to remember him requesting it. Further, you'll see on the RC bugs > list > that it's listed as REMOVE (and has been for a while). Perhaps the bug > report was already closed (because the archive maintenance scripts are

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > > > yet. > > > > Perhaps the maintainer hasn't reque

RE: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

Steve Lamb wrote: > 2: Can you provide an example of such free-style coding that you speak > so highly of? # Split header into separate header lines, dropping any unneeded or # spurious header lines: @header_lines = grep( ( /^(?: # Wanted headers: X-Spam-Status

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:55:01AM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: | Steve Lamb wrote: | > 2: Can you provide an example of such free-style coding that you speak | > so highly of? | | # Split header into separate header lines, dropping any unneeded or | # spurious header lines: | @header_lines = grep(

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

Anthony Towns wrote: > > > debian-legalint > > I think this one, or a variation, has good prospects.. > > If it's just going to check freeness, maybe "dfsg-check" or something? That would not reflect the current service of vrms. > Something called "legalint" really ought to let you check that you

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 20:33, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Suggestions are most welcome. > Feel free to ask about details if something is not clear about the slides > or any other things are missing. IMHO a debian-enterprise is very much > missing and would

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 05:17, Andres Salomon wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > If the sub-project approach would mean that the new packages and > > enhancements would be folded into Debian, then I think that is definitely > > preferable. I do not think that basi

Integrate Knoppix in Debian (was: Re: Debian Enterprise?)

Am Di, den 18.11.2003 schrieb Andreas Tille um 08:48: > Just note that Klaus Knopper was *very* interested about my idea to > integrate Knoppix stuff into Debian. He recognized that this could > save him time even if the first step of sane inclusion is quite hard. The idea to integrate Knoppix s

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 15:28, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:49AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > The problem is, this often chaotic development system doesn't scale to > > over 1200 developers (including many MIA developers). > > I think the only sticking point is determining

Re: longer Debian confession

* martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-17 16:15]: > They will not publish this text on their own webpage, so the only > way in which we can profit off this is if there is a place on > www.d.o to publish it. Is there? Or should I tell them that they > better spend their time doing other stuf

Debian packages of 7.4

Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I will not move them to unstable until version 7.3.4-9 is accepted into the testing distribution. This is not a reflection on 7.4's quality but the result of a lon

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:10:07 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 05:17, Andres Salomon wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > If the sub-project approach would mean that the new packages and > > > enhancements would be folded

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:57:46PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote: > Hear, hear. Yes, 8-space indentation is a matter of pressing the Tab > key, but it's a bit too big.. I've always stuck with two spaces. So set your tabstop (and shiftwidth) in vi to 4, and you'll have four character indents. Or 2. And

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:31PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Modal editors are Pure Evil(tm). > > ;-) But modeless editors are toys ;-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Quoting Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be > re

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Is it possible to create task or meta packages that depend on specific > versions - eg. a bunch of versions as at a specific "snapshot" date of > "testing"?? No - except if there are different verisons of one package in Debian (see recent plans to pack

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone please tell me how to make Home and End to work as they > did in emacs20, both in console and X? (global-set-key [home] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [?\e ?\[ ?1 ?~] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [end]

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Is there enough concensus to start a list - anyone with the resource > access and experience to create a webpage for the subproject? > > I will join the list as soon as it's available. apt-get install subproject-howto > Bruce Perens mentioned

Re: Integrate Knoppix in Debian (was: Re: Debian Enterprise?)

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Sebastian Ley wrote: > The idea to integrate Knoppix stuff back to Debian also occured to me. I > am glad to hear that Klaus likes the idea too. Have you put any further > thought into the question how to accomplish that? The only thing I did besides talking about it was creat

Re: RFA: A lot of packages

* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-17 17:43]: > Who should I bother with this in order to unlock Daniel Gubser NM > application? He's on my TODO list. I'm currently rather busy since I'm trying to finish my uni degree, but I'll hopefully get to it soon. In the meantime, it would be

Re: Programming first steps.

Just like to thank everybody for their opinions. I think that I've probably got enough to think about for now. Aside from the recommendations for languages and editors, the idea of learning multiple languages to gain more comprehensive expression for programming concepts, and also learning an initi

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Oliver Elphick writes: > > > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > > will take those on. > > Then why are plr, odbc, pgeasy and pgp

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:16PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > Given that each soname change requires a package name change, and every > package name change requires a manual override by an ftpmaster, yes, > it's theoretically possible to "automate" the process of not approving > new package upl

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

Oliver Elphick writes: > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > will take those on. Then why are plr, odbc, pgeasy and pgperl still in there? Those have been removed a longer time ago, or

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Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of PostgreSQL 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:19, Stephen Frost wrote: > > plr needs to build in the source tree, so the easiest way to do that is > > to include it in the source. The same goes (or did go) for the others. > > I don't think this is really the case. I was working on repackaging > PostgreSQL for Debian

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

* Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Oliver Elphick writes: > > > > > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > > > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > > > will take

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:42PM +0100, Robert Lemmen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:16PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Given that each soname change requires a package name change, and every > > package name change requires a manual override by an ftpmaster, yes, > > it's theoreticall

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > will not move them to unstable until version 7.3.4-9 is accepted into > the testing distribu

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of PostgreSQL 7.4

* Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:19, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > plr needs to build in the source tree, so the easiest way to do that is > > > to include it in the source. The same goes (or did go) for the others. > > > > I don't think this is really the case.

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:46, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > > will not move them to unstable unti

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > > will not move them to unstable until versi

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:13:58PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:46, Colin Watson wrote: > > Do these issues mean that migrating testing from 7.3.4-9 to 7.4-1 is > > going to be a headache for testing, or that packages built against 7.4-1 > > will depend on >= 7.4-1 due to

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > ... which will happen in a couple of days. However, evolution currently > depends on three "trouble spots" in addition to the guts of GNOME 2.4: > * krb4 - has a complicated dependency graph involving heimdal and > postgresql,

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:02:40PM -0800, Tom wrote: > If whitespace mistakes are always caught at compile-time, then I > probably wouldn't care about them either. So I'm not bashing python; > having never used it: I'm bashing languages where syntatic mistakes > are not caught at compile-time. I

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think you are placing too much emphasis on the ITP and the WNPP > system. I think it has a useful place in avoiding (some) duplicate work, > searching for new owners for packagers etc, but don't expect ev

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Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 01:46, Isaac To wrote: > > "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom> Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old > Tom> memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of > Tom> the wonderful mathematical algorithms

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:43:08PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I think you're missing the point: package name changes due to soname > changes often cause delays to testing, and therefore it's *beneficial* > that there's potentially an easy way to hold them out of unstable at the > moment. right,

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > | Nevertheless, I find 8-space indentation too wasteful, 4-space > | indentation too cumbersome to type, and 1-space indentation > | unreadable. > > Your editor shoul

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:34:14PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:57:46PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote: > > Hear, hear. Yes, 8-space indentation is a matter of pressing the Tab > > key, but it's a bit too big.. I've always stuck with two spaces. > > So set your tabstop (and

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:19:24AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > Unfortunately Adrian didn't wrote why he thinks backports aren't > usable for production systems. The only real problem with backports I > see is that there are no guaranted security updates. > > This could be a reason for someo

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:00:18AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > VIM can do autoindenting for some languages too. Works OK with Perl, > > and C, and badly with Tcl (but doesn't everything?). > [snip] > > Generally, I am skeptical of autoindenting tools. I usually do it by hand. > (I don't buy the w

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:35:19PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > - Debian 3.0 doesn't support much of the hardware curently available - > > the old 2.4.18 kernel on the boot floppies doesn't even boot on many > > new computers (

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:13:46AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:00:18AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > VIM can do autoindenting for some languages too. Works OK with Perl, > > > and C, and badly with Tcl (but doesn't everything?). > > [snip] > > > > Generally, I am skep

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:14:26AM -0800, Eric Wong wrote: > I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los > Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to get > my GPG key signed and get myself going along the New Maintainer process. Southern California D

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

Eric Wong wrote: > Hello, > > I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los > Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to get > my GPG key signed and get myself going along the New Maintainer process. > We will have a booth there. There should be plent

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "Scott" == Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Scott> You've never had to combine 'patch' and Python programs have you? Scott> After receiving a few created by people with different indent Scott> bigotries you quickly realise why significant whitespace is a Scott>

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:54:17AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >Perhaps the maintainer hasn't requested its removal? I don't see a bug > >report open against ftp.debian.org. > I seem to remember him requesting it. Further, you'll see on the RC bugs > list that it's li

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:08:40PM +0100, Thomas -Balu- Walter wrote: > > For now I have to fiddle around, creating bootdisks with newer kernels, Maybe I've just been very lucky, but I've yet to need to create a custom boot disk to install any of my various systems. I wouldn't consider most of t

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

I swore that I wasn't going to get into the latest style war, but ... On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:38AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > Personally I prefer 8-space indentation, though. > > I find that it is too restrictive, given th

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

Julian Mehnle wrote: I call that readable, but I guess somebody won't. ;-) Actually it is quite readable and sensible in that it breaks down the regex into parts that a human can read. Oh, and the equivolant would be legal in Python. Which was kind of my point on asking H.S. the two questio

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Quoting Anthony Towns : > The RC bug list REMOVE tags mean "remove from testing (not unstable)". > > If a bug's filed against ftp.d.o, there's no "trying" -- it'll be removed, > and any packages that depend on it will be left broken. BTW, in any case, If we want to stop supporting emacs20, do w

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

"H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, you meant autoindenting as you type... I thought you were referring to > indenting tools. As long as it's unintrusive, I'm OK with that. > Unintrusive as in, not anywhere near the atrociousness of MS Word, for > example. Um, wasn't this thread about p

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've never had to combine 'patch' and Python programs have you? After > receiving a few created by people with different indent bigotries you > quickly realise why significant whitespace is a fundamentally bad idea. > > I've had to go and ask som

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:32:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > > Again, read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Difficult isn't > > > the same

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:28:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > So instead, we have a system where people take individual (or small > > > group) responsibility for a particular piece of software, to take care > > > of it and fix its bugs. This way, we distribute the effort over a large > > >

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:04:54PM +0100, Florent Rougon wrote: > If you are not able to use a programmer's editor, I fail to see how you > can even try to argue about the usefulness of Python's whitespace > handling. Yay! A whitespace flamewar! -- Glenn Maynard

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:28:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:49AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > I'm not saying this would be immoral or something like that, but e.g. a > > > major release without

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:14:26AM -0800, Eric Wong wrote: >> I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los >> Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to >> get my GPG key signed and get myself going along the

Re: SANE compiling with patch for HP 4470c

Thomas Luft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, [sane-backends failing to build, SANE maintainer hat on.] > make[2]: *** [v4l.lo] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/cpblu01/src/sane-backends-1.0.12/backend' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cpblu01/

Bug#221489: general: mouse not working properly after yesterday testing upgrade

Package: general Severity: normal After yesterday (Nov 17 2003) upgrade of my box, running a testing/unstable debian, my mouse A4Tech 3d MiniMouse, model MSW-5, doesn't work properly: - in gnome, the left button pops up contestual menus - in console mode, gpm has problems: making a selection does

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:26:37PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:04:54PM +0100, Florent Rougon wrote: > > If you are not able to use a programmer's editor, I fail to see how you > > can even try to argue about the usefulness of Python's whitespace > > handling. > > Yay!

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 04:41:34PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I swore that I wasn't going to get into the latest style war, but ... > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:38AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > > Personally I prefer 8-spa

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:15:41PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > * mozilla - almost there but hasn't built on m68k and mipsel, > > apparently due to various dependency problems. Could benefit from > > being retried. > > Besi

Bug#221492: ITP: smile -- [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: smile Version : 1.46 Upstream Author : Laurent Marsan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : none Description : [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences SMI

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Isaac To wrote: E.g., it is more difficult to cut some code in one function and paste it into another. So for best results one really have to use an editor (and perhaps other tools) that knows about such significant whitespaces. Not really if one is wanting to maintain proper indention in both

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:06:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This might work on pure servers, but how do you manage to run XFree86 > 4.1.0 on brand-new graphics cards (e.g. integrated graphics of brand-new > Intel systems) in non-Vesa resolutions? I don't, because I don't buy motherboards with

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

I demand that Steve Lamb may or may not have written... [snip] > if foo > bar > else > baz fi -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | woody, sarge, | youmustbejoking | Northumberland | RISC OS | demon co uk | Toon Army | Let's keep the pound sterling

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:47:44PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: > Joey wrote: > >Packages in unstable have dependencies in unstable which may not be > >met in testing, hence they cannot simply be included in testing. > >Unfortunately we need to take care of this. > > I've come up at least once with a

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

H. S. Teoh wrote: Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python programmers, of course. :-P :-P Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the uninformed. Since in most cases the evils of whitespace are spouted off by those who have never once touched Pytho

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:14:29PM +, Colin Watson wrote: >... > [1] As I make it, the following packages in testing depend on a specific > version of mozilla in such a way as to cause problems when upgrading > mozilla. If you can back up your "about two dozen" with an expanded > li

Re: Bug#221492: ITP: smile -- [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences

Steffen Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * URL : http://www.example.org/ > * License : none *cough* > Description : [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in > sequences This should be an uncapitalized noun phrase: perhaps something like "tool to infer

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python > >programmers, of course. :-P :-P > > Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the > uninformed. Since in most cases the e

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031118 19:55]: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:06:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Why did debian-installer miss the dates in the latest release timeline > > by so many months? > Because those dates were made up out of thin air? Then the obvious question is:

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

> Otto Wyss dijo: > > dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 > > > > but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, > > purge the package and install it again. But now the list isn't shown > > either. How do I get the driver list from this package? > > > dpkg-reco

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Tom wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: *It looks like multi-line method invocations require parenthesis to be indented at the paren level. Sometimes that's useful, but often I like to pack arguments tighter than that and indent only once on subsequent lines:

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python > >programmers, of course. :-P :-P > > Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the > uninformed. Since in most cases the e

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:32:36AM -0800, Tom wrote: > Serious #1: > > *It looks like multi-line method invocations require parenthesis to be > indented at the paren level. Sometimes that's useful, but often I > like to pack arguments tighter than that and indent only once on > subsequent lines:

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

H. S. Teoh wrote: Not for any non-trivial task, although I did try to learn it some time ago. Recently, I had the chance to take another look at it; however, I found Ruby, which seemed to have the best of both Perl and Python plus true object-orientation. So when I move on from Perl (which I love,

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 14:17, Otto Wyss wrote: > > Otto Wyss dijo: > > > dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 > > > > > > but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, > > > purge the package and install it again. But now the list isn't shown > > > either. How do I g

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