Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Steve Lamb | On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:50:21 +0200 | Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Why do you want to do that? | | Imagine being at work, polling mail from home and then wanting | to send mail back out. If the computer, say the laptop, is | configured to forward to work mai

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Craig Dickson | Chris Cheney wrote: | | > The only people | > actually waiting that long now (aiui) are people James does not want in | > the project at all. | | Then why are they left hanging indefinitely rather than being rejected? Because one is more work than the other. I'm not saying i

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:27:01 +0200 Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know the laws where you come from, but in .no, I think this > would be very illegal. Also, you don't want to archive everything > that passes through a mail server, that'll just give you a huge bunch > of unorg

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:40, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > Face it - no free software project is "easy" to join (except apparently > KDE...), and there's a reason for that. It's a process that selects > against bad code and bad maintainers. It's also a process that happens > to have false positives probably

Bug#204422: ITP: debix -- Live filesystem creation tool

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-07 Severity: wishlist Package name: debix Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> License : GPL Description : Live filesystem creation tool Sponsor : wanted Debix is a

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) writes: > Matt Zimmerman said: > >On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:56:59AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > > >> I know of several DDs and non-DDs thinking about creating a Debian2 (or > >> whatever named) project due to this and other lack of responce > >> problem

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martijn van Oosterhout writes: > I'm not commenting on the rest of the message but this: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote: > > What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims > > that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Ye

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be > > solved by active and experienced maintainers since the packages are often > > essential. New develop

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:32:20PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:35PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development > > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming m

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debian has had a very slow NM process for a very long time, it took over > a year for me to be processed when I became DD in July 2000. That was > before the new NM queue structure that is in place now. The only people > actually waiting that long now (ai

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:41:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Chris Cheney wrote: > > > > Not to toot my own horn, but I was accepted in under one week. I took 2 > > weeks > > to read up on everything, then after I sent in my app,

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been > 4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might get arround to > my application, but he just said when he has time... He actua

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Craig Dickson > > | Chris Cheney wrote: > | > | > The only people > | > actually waiting that long now (aiui) are people James does not want in > | > the project at all. > | > | Then why are they left hanging indefinitely rather than being reject

Re: Please NMU dovecot

2003-08-07 Thread Riku Voipio
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:18PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > > Could someone please NMU dovecot adding the patch in bug #203892? > > Either gcc 3.3.1 sucks or I'm having another hardware problem, > In case anyone cares, it was a gcc problem afte

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Yven Johannes Leist
On Thursday 07 August 2003 03:40, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > Face it - no free software project is "easy" to join (except apparently > KDE...) I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to get a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You usually

Re: Usefulness of SSMTP

2003-08-07 Thread Andreas Metzler
Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > SSMTP is not acceptable for those of us that use SMTP AUTH+TLS, unless > it supports those (it didn't, last time I looked). In fact, there don't > appear to be any "dumb" MTAs (like ssmtp or nullmailer) that support TLS > and SMTP authentication. Thi

Re: Usefulness of SSMTP [Was: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?]

2003-08-07 Thread Andreas Metzler
Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I'm not sure why ssmtp has TLS disabled by default; perhaps a bug should be > filed? It seems like it would provide all of the needed outgoing MTA > functionality without requiring a daemon. Copyright? At least the version in woody is straightforwa

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 22:20]: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > If these people are being delayed for a reason, the reason needs to be > > written down publically in the appropriate place. > I disagree; if the applicant knows why they a

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:40:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Which in unstable is 3.3, a completely different version. Which in turns > requires gcc 3.3. > > Package: gcc > [SNIP] > Depends: cpp (>= 3:3.3-1), gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3-0pre9), cpp-3.3 (>= 1:3.3-0pre9) >^^^

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Martin Sjögren
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:41:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't understand what you are saying. The way

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:17:43PM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > So letting NMs wait for months without notice makes it better? > Please explain this to me. Personally, I think that this is the major problem with the process at the moment. If it takes the applicant 2 years to get through the proces

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:44:07AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > I don't know the current average time for a NM to get > > through the queue but I would guess at it being around 3-4 months. > > How can that be with the DAM only accepting a few people every 6 > month or so? Whats the aver

Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Cédric Delfosse
Hello at work, I have played a little bit with a Redhat 9. There are lots of nice system setup tools that could be useful for Debian users. These tools are GPL. The problems are: - no source tar.gz / tar.bz2 distribution (AFAIK), - no Redhat anonymous CVS access (AFAIK), - only SRPM distributio

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Peter Mathiasson
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:34:28PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:27:01 +0200 > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know the laws where you come from, but in .no, I think this > > would be very illegal. Also, you don't want to archive everything > > that passe

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 10:04, Cédric Delfosse wrote: > Hello > > at work, I have played a little bit with a Redhat 9. There are lots of > nice system setup tools that could be useful for Debian users. These > tools are GPL. > The problems are: > - no source tar.gz / tar.bz2 distribution (AFAIK), >

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:14:25PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > The only package that I may not be qualified for is Jikes. And that's > because I don't know the internals of JVM and Java opcode... > or *all* the internals of Jikes... I'm thinking of filling a RFA: on > jikes. But it is still better t

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:04:45AM +0200, C?dric Delfosse wrote: > Hello > > at work, I have played a little bit with a Redhat 9. There are lots of > nice system setup tools that could be useful for Debian users. These > tools are GPL. > The problems are: > - no source tar.gz / tar.bz2 distributi

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 07/08/2003 à 11:04, Cédric Delfosse a écrit : > - only SRPM distribution. > > So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package > ? You can easily extract the .tar.gz using alien. Regards, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PR

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Halil Demirezen
> However, I think it's unacceptable to expect an applicant stay in > limbo without any update as to the process of their application. I'm > quite happy to wait for a long time, as long as I know that something is > happening, albit slowly. While I was reading that, I would like to say here, For

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:04:45AM +0200, C?dric Delfosse wrote: > So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package I certainly haven't, but surely you could use RPM to extract the source from the SRPM, then tarball it back up, and there's your .orig.tar.gz? Build as per no

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Ross Burton
Oh, of course you could always mail the RH maintainer. I packaged eggcups and although the RH site only has SRPMS, the maintainer has a collection of source tarballs on his personal web site. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:53 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > While I'm at it, a quick and possibly irrelevant bit of stats-pr0n I > just did (note that it counts resolved bugs too): > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgindex.cgi?indexon=tag What does mean "patch has 333

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Sjögren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:41:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. > > I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, b

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 22:20]: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > If these people are being delayed for a reason, the reason needs to be > > > written down publically in the appropriate plac

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Halil Demirezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > However, I think it's unacceptable to expect an applicant stay in > > limbo without any update as to the process of their application. I'm > > quite happy to wait for a long time, as long as I know that something is > > happening, albit slowly. > >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit : > Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > Also, it seems like most DD's don't maintain many packages anyway. Yes > > there are other things that a DD can do other than just maintain > > packages, like help with web translations, boot fl

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:51:26AM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:53 +0100 > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While I'm at it, a quick and possibly irrelevant bit of stats-pr0n I > > just did (note that it counts resolved bugs too): > > > > http://bugs.debia

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:59:41PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote: > While I was reading that, I would like to say here, For example, even > after checked ID, I am not pointed as checked ID. This is even > discouraging. I am asking myself what is happening wrong with what I > cant see the process tho

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel... > > IMO it's generally too easy entering in Debian. > > You can get access to the gc

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Goswin! Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003: > > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. > > > > I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't > > understand w

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-07 Thread Domenico Andreoli
i agree, we have a great support for Python. thanks to those who make it possible. cavok On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:47:48AM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: ... > > Personally I was going to post "nice job everyone... the Python Policy > looks like it is working". There are still a few niggly thing

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:04:16 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:51:26AM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:53 +0100 > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > While I'm at it, a quick and possibly irrelevant bit of stats-pr0n I

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:09:15PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Here is where you're entirely and totally wrong. It indicates a > > breakdown in the communication process. > > Communication with whom? I don't think that

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Halil Demirezen
> On [06/08/03 17:29], Halil Demirezen wrote: > > What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims > > that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are > > Why do you you think that "over the world" Debian is "being obsolete"? > Do you have some evidence

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > button on the webpage he can just press to reject someone. > After that rejecting would be a matter of seco

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 21:40]: > Erm, configuring an SMTP server for a mail client is not an admin level > thing. I mean, c'mon, fetchmail can be run as the user and the same user can > configure a pop server there. *shrug* I wonder when people will start telling configurin

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to > PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and > sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version > upgrade. Easy to

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:58:22AM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > When you have maintain a package, shouldn't you be able to fix > it yourself? > > IMHO, people should not package or take over a package that they > do not understand how it works. For example, a kernel maintainer I think you're dreami

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > > button on the webpage he ca

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development > > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel... > > > IMO it's general

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Cédric Delfosse dijo [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:04:45AM +0200]: > Hello > > at work, I have played a little bit with a Redhat 9. There are lots of > nice system setup tools that could be useful for Debian users. These > tools are GPL. > The problems are: > - no source tar.gz / tar.bz2 distribution

Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Moin Goswin! > Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003: > > > > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > > > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. > > > > > > I must have severe reading and

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > > button on the webpage he can just press to

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch . -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, li

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:56:08PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Heh :) If I hadn't responded to it manually, it would have gotten ignored > > as spam (nobody cared enough to write a nice formail -r message because it > > happens rarely enough and the spambounces would waste us more resources). >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit : > WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to activate YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more, I am waiting for DAM approval, so I just wait... Nicolas Bertolissio --

Re: Please NMU dovecot

2003-08-07 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Riku Voipio wrote: > Sounds really odd. Maybe the previous gcc binaries you had where > corrupted during your previous hardaware problems. I once got some > really funky errors after running fsck on /usr with buggy ram. > I thought of that but fsck and badblocks both reported

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:00:53PM +0200, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote: > Le jeudi 7 ao?t 2003, Goswin von Brederlow ?crit : > > WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to > > activate > > YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more, > I am waiting for DAM approva

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch http://bugs.debian.

toolchain-source

2003-08-07 Thread Tom Badran
This hasnt been updated to gcc-3.3 yet, has it been obsoleted perhaps, or am i just being impatient ;) Thanks Tom -- ^__^ Tom Badran (oo)\__Imperial College (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || Using Debian SID pgpgtGkeEoBLD.pgp Descriptio

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Adam Majer
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been > > 4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 19:39, Oliver Bausinger wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2003 20:01, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be > > > solved by active and expe

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Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit : [...] > Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome, > feedback on your application? No, > I'm not asking whether you would clamor > for updates, but whether receiving them would be a problem for you? No, but I don't need any, I just h

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:31:23PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > It runs deeper than that. If you aren't sufficiently interested to do > > the work for its own sake, why the hell are you trying to join Debian > > in the first p

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-07 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joey Hess] > Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr, which > would have a side effect of making sure it's on CD#1 if it's not > already. Probably also demoting the lpr package to optional and moving > cups from there to standard. Possibly making lsb depend on part of cups

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-08-07 Thread Andrea Glorioso
> "nvy" == Nikita V Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: nvy> The thing I really don't like in debian-cd is the requirement nvy> to have a local mirror. I prefer to use apt-get (+apt-proxy) nvy> to fetch packages while building CD. I have a (currently nvy> ugly) script to do

Re: Bug#203903: ITP: mcp-plugins -- LADSPA plugins designed for Alsa Modular Synth

2003-08-07 Thread Glorioso
> "kq" == Keegan Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: kq> [1 ] kq> On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:02:35PM +0200, Andrea Glorioso wrote: >> Description : LADSPA plugins designed for Alsa Modular Synth >> >> Set of LADSPA plugins that vastly improve the sound of >> AlsaModularS

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 07, Cédric Delfosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package >? prelink -- ciao, | Marco | [1175 vol.vXH2n4yMA] pgpEXBULObHxj.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-07 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Joe Wreschnig may or may not have written... > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:48, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >>> You asked for gcc-2.95. You got gcc-2.95. Whatever else you got should be >>> of no consequence whatsoever. >> It's this kind of attit

debian-nm statistics

2003-08-07 Thread Robert Jordens
Hi all! Just a little contribution to those wunderful threads like "NM non-process" and "NM and Next Release". I just played around with db.debian.org and nm.debian.org to produce some fancy graphs... I won't be here for the next 72 hours, so I won't comment much. But you can flame on! http://c

Bug#204494: ITP: jot -- print out increasing, decreasing, random, or redundant

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-07 Severity: wishlist * Package name: jot Version : 9.0 Upstream Author : John Kunze, Office of Comp. Affairs, UCB * URL : http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/system/rhlinux/athena-9.0/free/SRPMS/athena-jot-9.0-3.src.rpm *

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:15:35AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package > > ? > > You can easily extract the .tar.gz using alien. > rpm -Uvh estracts in /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES -- Francesco P. Lovergine

GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Otto Wyss
I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version should I use? And how do I set this version (Environment variable?) without deinstalling GCC 3.3? O. Wyss -- See "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/"; for

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nicolas Bertolissio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit : > [...] > > Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome, > > feedback on your application? > No, > > > I'm not asking whether you would clamor > > for updates, but whether receiving th

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system > > Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. > > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? > >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you > > want to contribute? > TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a chequ

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:14:27PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this > version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version > should I use? And how do I set this version (Environment variable?) > without deinstalling

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you > > > want to

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > >

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > > access to packages with patch

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Streph Treadway
Hi, all, On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:10:00PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:14:27PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > > I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this > > version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version > > should I use

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Streph Treadway
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:03:01PM -0400, Streph Treadway wrote: > > For me, only HOSTCC=gcc-2.95 works for the 2.4.21 kernel. > Sorry about that, I'm recompiling the kernel now, and what I said above seems true of the dep and clean targets, but not bzImage. For bzImage, CC=gcc-2.95 works fine on

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 12:36:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > (IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.) > > Don't you know your O doesn't matter, only Steve's? I'm pretty accustomed to my O mattering only to me. :) -- G. Brande

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Craig Dickson
Steve Lamb wrote: > No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like > Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute. So the it is only > logical to presume that if you feel liking is a bad reason disliking > might very well be a good one. This is "logical"? In what univer

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:56:24PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > > > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Chris Cheney
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you > give commit access to just about anybody too. > > Scott > (GNOME user) Oh you mean the fact that KDE has rapid development... Yep. ;) Chris

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Andrew Suffield wrote: >>Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you >>want to contribute? > TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a cheque or something. Yeah, but Debian isn't *that* awesome before I decide to join (and am accepted). ;) Cheers T. P.S.: SCNR

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere? This is not the case for at least the AM<->NM mails. Also, advocating someone is basically just a virtual tick in a box. -- "You grabbed my hand and we

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield wrote: >I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific >(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing >to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstrate stuff - >you'll just do it, because you want to. Wrong. There have bee

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:54:43PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:41:37PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > the person who's in charge of the keyring has to be as paranoid as > > James. The other person in the project that comes to mind is > > Manoj. And that's

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your > > statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute. > You have failed miserably at understanding my statement. I do not want >

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Marcelo Magallon said: > You mean you actually think James can even consider the possibility of > handing the management of the keyring over? Well, he should. He'll have to someday, such as when he dies. (Unless he is actually immortal, or more likely if Debian is utterly destroyed first.) A

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Halil Demirezen
> Incidentally, the entire NM system seems geared toward package > maintainers only, if you read the web pages. (That was not > particularly encouraging.) It seems in that way. However, AM asks you what to do in Debian. When you choose a specific section, You are not supposed to know that issue

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andreas Barth said: >Yes, I can see the problem. However, it would have helped me much if >this policy would have been clearly stated at >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ (should I open a bug, >or can it be fixed without?). The rate of things getting fixed without having bugs reporte

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Josef Spillner
On Thursday 07 August 2003 09:51, Yven Johannes Leist wrote: > I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to > get a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You > usually need to have a whole application written by yourself to get an > account, a

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:29:03 -0700 Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew said that merely liking Debian wasn't a good enough reason to > want to join the project. No, he said it wasn't a good reason. No "enough". Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "TBH, that's a lousy reason to join

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0500 Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you > > give commit access to just about anybody too. > > Scott > > (GNOME user)

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