Richard Braakman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:08:04AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> > > Hence the need for policy to dictate to the maintainer not to allow the
> > > package to be removed before all other packages have transitioned. It
> > > usually doesn't take much more work as long as the
Artur R. Czechowski wrote:
> I've found your bugreport:
> http://bugs.debian.org/202869
>
> I see no issue to not depending mutt on mail-transfer-agent.
>
> Mutt as is, is a software for reading, writing and sending emails.
> And to provide a full functionality it needs a kind of transfer-agent.
This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
> Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
> but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main
> functionality, an MTA i
>>bootlogd.
>>Activating swap.
>>fsck 1.35-WIP (01-Aug-2003)
>>Running 0dns-down to make sure resolv.conf is ok...done.
>>Please contribute if you find this software useful.
>>DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
>>Starting Xprint servers: Xprt.
>
>
* Alan Shutko
| Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| > Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're
| > responding to is participating right here.
|
| Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header,
| which is generally respected by poster
* Morgon Kanter
| This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
| > Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
| > but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:58:17AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > with. The MIA problem is significant enough that NM might be the only
> > > way to tackle with it seriously. That means taking time to
#include
> I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
AOL
> Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
> but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main
> functionality, an MTA is required, hence a dependency.
Why not appease both?
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:33:35PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
| >Mutt can read mail without an MTA, but cannot send mail without one.
|
| it does not have to be on the same machine
It does in the specific case of mutt. I seem to recall Mutt's
developers deciding to specifically /not/ support S
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 02:38, Erich Schubert wrote:
> Hi,
> i have built packages for the bootsplash tools (no package for the patch
> itself though. just download and apply the diff).
> They are available on http://people.debian.org/~erich/boot/bootsplash/
> and work fine on my notebook as we
Hi, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Morgon Kanter
>
> | What if the MTA is on a different host? Can't mutt speak SMTP?
>
> Not without a patch, which afaik, isn't in the mutt in Debian.
I would recommend using that patch, then.
IMHO using any local mailer is a bad idea on a desktop system. You send
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:06:08AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> > I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
>
> AOL
>
> > Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
> > but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main
> >
* Goswin Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 05:35]:
> Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > BTW, has anybody done any research into what types of package
> > maintainers tend to go MIA? I would be especially interested in a
> > percentage of "old" style DD's, DD's who have gone through t
* Andreas Metzler
| [1] I won't list Gnus but would be really surprised if it _needed_
| /usr/sbin/sendmail ;-)
gnus uses /usr/sbin/sendmail by default, but can use smtpmail.el if
you want that.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friend
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Goswin Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 05:35]:
> > Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > BTW, has anybody done any research into what types of package
> > > maintainers tend to go MIA? I would be especially interested in a
> > > percent
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:35:29 +0200
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMHO using any local mailer is a bad idea on a desktop system. You send
> off the mail, your MUA says "Sent", you power down or just close the
> laptop, and, if your smarthost happens to be a bit slow today, the mail
>
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:35:29AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> IMHO using any local mailer is a bad idea on a desktop system. You send
> off the mail, your MUA says "Sent", you power down or just close the
> laptop, and, if your smarthost happens to be a bit slow today, the mail
> sits there i
* Adam Majer
| My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
| his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
| direct emails about those bugs.
I guess I'm MIA, then, since I have an RC bug which is 156 days (or
so) old, which is waiting for upstream to rewri
#include
* Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]:
> > Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on
> > mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta
> >
> > and tell such MTA hating users to create a fake "no-user-mta" package
> > with equivs.
>
> There's no point; it's just as easy to create a fake pa
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Last weekend, python 2.3 was released.
> With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python
> version.
Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages
every time python* is mentioned? :P
Hi, Colin Watson wrote:
> There's no point; it's just as easy to create a fake package that
> provides mail-transport-agent with equivs.
I wouldn't even think about that; it's too easy to forget all about that
and then get bitten when you install a package which does require a
working /usr/sbin/s
Hi, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote:
> In any case, applications will be processed (and some rejected, I'd
> assume) once db.d.o is up again.
Well, it seems to be up now (or at least ping+ssh+ldap'able).
I'll leave the obvious-loaded-question-asking to others. This time. ;-)
--
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:10:08AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Adam Majer
>
> | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
> | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
> | direct emails about those bugs.
>
> I guess I'm MIA, then, since I have
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:15:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:38:19 +0200
> Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Apple has a great way of doing that. They don't dumb down, they don't
> > belittle you, they assume an intelligent being who can grasp reasonably
>
* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 11:20]:
> * Adam Majer
>
> | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
> | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
> | direct emails about those bugs.
> I guess I'm MIA, then, since I have an RC bug whi
Re: Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent? [Martin Schulze <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>, Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 07:26:33AM +0200, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Joe Average User would most probably be pissed if he installed mutt
> but doesn't have an MTA and then tries to send mail. That would take
> us
* Matthew Palmer
| On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:10:08AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * Adam Majer
| >
| > | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
| > | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
| > | direct emails about those bugs.
| >
| > I
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Adam Majer
>
> | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
> | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
> | direct emails about those bugs.
>
> I guess I'm MIA, then, since I have an RC bug which is 1
* Goswin Brederlow
| Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| > * Adam Majer
| >
| > | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
| > | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
| > | direct emails about those bugs.
| >
| > I guess I'm MIA,
* Morgon Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 07:57]:
> > I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
> > Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
> > but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main
> > functionality, an MTA is required,
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:06:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Emile van Bergen
>
> | Hi,
> |
> | On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote:
> |
> | > And I would scream if you called it "/_My_ Variable Data/" too... :-P
> |
> | I would even scream at
> |
> | /V
Am 6.08.03 um 13:04:41 schrieb Emile van Bergen:
> > Tab completion or using /Va* is about as fast as /var.
> I've considered tab-completion and /Va*, but you must realise that they
> work only in the shell.
>
> Neither tab-completion or globbing is available when I'm editing a file
> and have to
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:34:49 +0200
Michael Piefel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 6.08.03 um 13:04:41 schrieb Emile van Bergen:
> > Neither tab-completion or globbing is available when I'm editing a file
> > and have to write those path names.
> In Vim insert mode, press ^X^F for completion, ^N/^
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
"Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
> the proper interface to link /usr/lib/sendmail to mutt, but that would
> be the lesser part).
No, it would not. It would be using another me
Michael Piefel wrote:
Am 6.08.03 um 13:04:41 schrieb Emile van Bergen:
Tab completion or using /Va* is about as fast as /var.
I've considered tab-completion and /Va*, but you must realise that they
work only in the shell.
Neither tab-completion or globbing is available when I'm editing a file
and
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:06:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
>> * Emile van Bergen
>>
>> | Hi,
>> |
>> | On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote:
>> |
>> | > And I would scream if you called it "/_My_ Variable Dat
On Aug 05, "Artur R. Czechowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am not convinced to only Recommend on mail-transfer-agent. I rather
>tend to closing this wishitem or tag it as wontfix.
I'm inclined to close this bug. I agree with the submitter that a local
MTA is not strictly needed to use mutt,
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]:
> > > Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on
> > > mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta
> > >
> > > and tell such MTA hating users to create a fake "no-user-mta" package
> >
Hi, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> I would even scream at
> /Variable Data/
>
> simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag
> behaviour
"/Va" isn't too bad, typing-wise, especially if you also have a
case-insensitive file system.
Apple's OS X translates the pathnames in the GUI
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:56:59AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> I know of several DDs and non-DDs thinking about creating a Debian2 (or
> whatever named) project due to this and other lack of responce
> problems and the group is growing. The danger is already there and
> should not be ignored.
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 13:43]:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
> "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
> > the proper interface to link /usr/lib/sendmail to mutt, but that would
> > be the lesser
On 06-Aug-03, 02:06 (CDT), Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on
> mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta
Or better,
Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent
That way, if you don't have an MTA already, it will select a simple "get
mail to a real MTA" pack
hmmm.. just curious... why?
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> > Last weekend, python 2.3 was released.
> > With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python
> > version.
>
> Am I the
hi,
i need to build curl on ia64 to see why it fails the test phase.
i'm thinking to use merulo, the only machine which provides chroots
(i suppose) to compile stuff for sarge, but i never used chroots on
project machines.
any hint? i gave a glance to the developer reference but i didn't find
any
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:41:20 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:56:59AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
>> I know of several DDs and non-DDs thinking about creating a Debian2 (or
>> whatever named) project due to this and other lack of responce
>> problems an
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 14:50]:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:56:59AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> > I know of several DDs and non-DDs thinking about creating a Debian2 (or
> > whatever named) project due to this and other lack of responce
> > problems and the group is grow
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:56:34PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:41:20 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:56:59AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> >> I know of several DDs and non-DDs thinking about creating a Debian2 (or
> >> whatev
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:33:38PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 14:50]:
> > Why is this a danger? This is one of the freedoms provided by free
> > software, which we work hard to promote.
>
> Because it would be a waste of work, time and energy.
Not
I am currently on NM process. And as far as I know, there have been
totally over 700 developer of Debian officially.
What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are
partially right. However, with 700 main
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:07:40 -0400
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not if the projects have different goals.
If the goal is the same only the process to that goal is broken then it is
a waste of time and effort.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink,
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:51AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
>
> Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent
>
> That way, if you don't have an MTA already, it will select a simple "get
> mail to a real MTA" package, whose configuration will ask "where's your
> real MTA?"
Doesn't policy state that
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:23:39PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote:
> hi,
>
> i need to build curl on ia64 to see why it fails the test phase.
> i'm thinking to use merulo, the only machine which provides chroots
> (i suppose) to compile stuff for sarge, but i never used chroots on
> project machin
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 06:51:12PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:35:29AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > IMHO using any local mailer is a bad idea on a desktop system. You send
> > off the mail, your MUA says "Sent", you power down or just close the
> > laptop, and, if you
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 07:14:00AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:07:40 -0400
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not if the projects have different goals.
>
> If the goal is the same only the process to that goal is broken then it is
> a waste of time and effort
#include
* Steve Greenland [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:01:51AM]:
> > Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on
> > mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta
>
> Or better,
>
> Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent
Where is the point? OP did already know how to manage dependencies, he
can install ssmtp if h
#include
* Steve Langasek [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 07:37:16AM]:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > #include
> > * Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]:
>
> > > > Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on
> > > > mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta
> > > >
> > >
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:07:40 -0400
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Not if the projects have different goals.
>
> If the goal is the same only the process to that goal is broken then it is
> a waste of time and effort.
Not if a new project
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.*
> packages every time python* is mentioned? :P
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:59:00PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote:
> hmmm.. just curious... why?
The short of it: he's j
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:03:07PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 13:43]:
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
> > "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
> > > the pro
I'm not commenting on the rest of the message but this:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
> What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
> that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are
Debian is dying. Linux is dying
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:30:11 -0400
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see your name on http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php. What part of the
> process are you claiming is broken?
I wasn't aware my name had to be on the list to recognize that some have
been there for years.
--
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:27:10 -0500
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And is a much better choice than expecting every user to locally
> configure smtp settings in the MUA. Lack of direct-SMTP support in mutt
> is a good thing.
Yeah because entering "smtp.isp.com" is just so trying fo
#include
* Bernhard R. Link [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 03:03:07PM]:
> * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 13:43]:
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
> > "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
> > > the proper interfa
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Steve Langasek [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 07:37:16AM]:
> > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > #include
> > > * Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]:
> >
> > > > > Why not appease both? Le
On 06-Aug-03, 09:18 (CDT), Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:51AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> >
> > Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent
> >
> > That way, if you don't have an MTA already, it will select a simple "get
> > mail to a real MTA" package, w
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
> Or perhaps the poster should know the policy on Debian lists which is
> _not_ to Cc unless explicitly requested.
Noted. I was unaware of this, having not seen any mention of this policy
when I subscribed.
My apologies for any inconvenience caused.
-
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:04:00AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
| > And is a much better choice than expecting every user to locally
| > configure smtp settings in the MUA. Lack of direct-SMTP support in mutt
| > is a good thing.
|
| Yeah because entering "smtp.isp.com" is just so trying for mos
#include
* Halil Demirezen [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 05:29:54PM]:
> We believe we could be helpful. However, We are trying to be cut off
What makes you believe this? Many people helped Debian development on
critical points like boot-floppies and debian-installer development
_without_ beeing a DD and wi
I do not need CCs. I am obviously active on the list.
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:28:52 +0800
Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:04:00AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> It is if they have to dig up what the correct SMTP server is. Or if
> they're on a laptop whose "
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:17:24AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Martin Schulze is also the Press Contact, so I certainly hope he has good
> communication skills!
/me goes and yanks Joey's chain some more :o)
--
2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:36:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Bernhard R. Link [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 03:03:07PM]:
> > * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 13:43]:
> > > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
> > > "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If mutt spoke
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 11:44:11AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > If he doesn't want to, the DPL should really do something.
>
> > > Such as...?
>
> > I think he's saying that the DPL should 'delegate his DAM power' to
> > somebody else. The DAMs are after all officially appointed by the DP
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:03:11PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> > with. The MIA problem is significant enough that NM might be the only
> > way to tackle with it seriously. That means taking time to examine
> > applications.
>
> BTW, has anybody done any research into what types of package
> ma
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 06:36:10PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > Totally true. That's e.g. the reason why announcing the removal of old
> > > RFPs didn't appear in debian-devel-announce where it would have
> > > belonged - the submission was rejected by the moderators for the
> > > formal reaso
Debians greatest strength is in its community, that includes dd's and
non dd's.
If we are organised in such a way that we are alienating non dd's the we
are operating in a diminished state.
Debian is but a shadow of what it could be.
Glenn
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:31:44AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > I didn't know that only DD could post on d-d-a. But to be honest, I
> > > would have expected that one of the list managers would adopt my
> > > message without much words if it is ok to post. As this didn't happen,
> > > I interp
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:33:26AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.*
> > > packages every time python* is mentioned? :P
>
> > hmmm.. just curious... why?
>
> The short of it: he's joking. Note the smiley. Even though package
> n
> Joe Average User would most probably be pissed if he installed mutt but
> doesn't have an MTA and then tries to send mail. That would take us back
> into the old days of Slackware.
Joe Average User has to follow the recommendation, since he
doesn't know the details. If he decides to do things d
* Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 17:04]:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:03:07PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> > * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 13:43]:
> > > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
> > > "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If mutt spoke SMTP, it
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:32:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> I don't take kindly to software installing other software without a
> clear need and there simply was no clear need.
Well, now, why don'tcha run 'em outta town, Tex?
(IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.)
--
G. Bra
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:38:19 +0200,
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know, I think these are actually good suggestions. I think there's a
> lot to be gained *not* by dumbing down, *not* by losing any information
> that might be useful to a geek or to a new user as (s)he's learning,
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> It is allowing _few_ users to work around a dependency
> which makes sence for everybody else, but is not really useful for
> _those_ few users in their special environment.
What few users?
What special environment?
Can anyone provide a real world example of a
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
> Debian Maintainers are becoming too elite. However, outside world becoming
> more excluded. And Debian finally is becoming so obsolete.
Everybody has an opinion on this matter. I don't usually even bother
posting mine, but here go
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:55:59AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote:
>
> I receieved the machine with Debian preinstalled and no offline
> documentation except a post it note with the root username and password.
> On other systems (Mac OS X, Windows XP, etc) I am clearly shown where to
> look for more inf
I don't pretend to know what is best for all users, but as a fairly
ordinary mutt user I can tell you that I would be unhappy to find out
that Debian patched mutt to do SMTP just so they could have a warm fuzzy
feeling about the depends. I like mutt the way it is: no SMTP.
New mutt users might be
* Steve Lamb
| How many local users are you going to have on a laptop whose correct SMTP
| server changes as a function of their location?
Usually: one, I guess.
| Oddly enough I only have one program for that now. Sylpheed-Claws.
| Fortunately it can do something that most SMTP serve
* Ian Hickson
| On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| >
| > Or perhaps the poster should know the policy on Debian lists which is
| > _not_ to Cc unless explicitly requested.
|
| Noted. I was unaware of this, having not seen any mention of this policy
| when I subscribed.
http://www.debi
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:55AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:30:11 -0400
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't see your name on http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php. What part of the
> > process are you claiming is broken?
>
> I wasn't aware my name had to
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:26:12 -0500
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.)
One problem doesn't excuse the other.
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 12:40:21PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > * Adam Majer
> >
> > | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
> > | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
> > | direct emails
#include
* Steve Langasek [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 10:10:06AM]:
> You tell me. Why is it so important to *prevent* the installation of an
> MTA on such a machine when installing mutt?
>
> 99% of our users are going to want to send outgoing mail from their
> mailreader. A package that contains multip
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:48:29 -0600
Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> New mutt users might be slightly confused by the mutt way of doing
> things but that doesn't mean we have to patch mutt for their sakes.
> Naturally, it's up to the package maintainer how to differ from
> upstream, but this
Morgon Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail.
>> Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality
>> but a backup functionality. To be able
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:50:21 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Steve Lamb
> | How many local users are you going to have on a laptop whose correct
> SMTP| server changes as a function of their location?
> Usually: one, I guess.
So 1 person, 1 location to change.
> |
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Branden Robinson wrote:
> (IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.)
Don't you know your O doesn't matter, only Steve's?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:56:20 -0400
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:55AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:30:11 -0400
> > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't see your name on http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php. What part of
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be
> solved by active and experienced maintainers since the packages are often
> essential. New developers can help maintaining them in cooperation with
> main develo
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
> I am currently on NM process. And as far as I know, there have been
> totally over 700 developer of Debian officially.
>
> What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
> that debian is being obsolete. New
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:36:45 -0500 (CDT)
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > (IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.)
> Don't you know your O doesn't matter, only Steve's?
This isn't a matter of opinion. Simple test. When
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Actually, I think it does. They should either be accepted or rejected
> within x days. x being somewhere below rand(20) * 365. Either they are in,
> rejected, or the application closed because of a lack of interest on the
> developer's part.
So, some
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