Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Drew Scott Daniels [Thu, Apr 10 2003, 02:11:36PM]: > I don't quite understand all the concepts being discussed but the > following web pages may be worth reading. > http://master.debian.org/~brinkmd/arch-handling.txt The idea is great and I came to very similar concept looking for a so

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2003-04-12 Thread Yu Xiangning

Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 10:13, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >Leaving /etc/adjtime as is and telling admins to "move it and use a > >symlink" is a FHS violation because /etc/adjtime is. > What part of "FHS does not apply to local changes" you did not > understand? No part. Please read my message again. T

Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:17, Thomas Hood wrote: > * ppp > * Change /usr/sbin/pppd to: > * Store PID in /run/, not in /var/run/ Why? Is the goal to make PPP-mounter /var to work?! If so, pppd has to be moved to /sbin. > * pump > * Add /etc/pump directory > * Change /sbin/pum

Re: fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-12 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
> > I really don't know. The fakeroot is not my project and I'm afraid my > > patches are too experimental for such stable tool. Also there is too much > > work with cleaning up the code. Should I start new project or join to the > > original fakeroot? > > I once tried to do something similar

Re: Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-12 Thread Andreas Metzler
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> * Package name: exim-mysql > Personally, I do not like all those -mysql, -pgsql, -whatever packages. Who does? :-( > Whatever happened to the idea of using a common database access library > like iODBC? It's reasonably small, Not A Burden if you

Re: Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-12 Thread LapTop006
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 04:34:00PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs arranged a set of bits into the following: > Hi, > > * Package name: exim-mysql > > Personally, I do not like all those -mysql, -pgsql, -whatever packages. > > Whatever happened to the idea of using a common database access library >

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Arnd Bergmann wrote: > Yes, but what I also want to avoid is having to change every single instance > of 'Depends: libfoo' to 'Depends: libfoo [! x86_64, sparc64, s390x, ppc64, > hppa64], lib64foo [x86_64, sparc64, s390x, ppc64, hppa64]' and then changing > them all again for mips64 ;-).

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 12 April 2003 13:00, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > Yes, but what I also want to avoid is having to change every single > > instance of 'Depends: libfoo' to 'Depends: libfoo [! x86_64, sparc64, > > s390x, ppc6

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > # The rules: > # * All packages orphaned less than 90 days ago will be kept! > # * Ignore all bugs less than 30 days old. > # otherwise: > # * Packages with RC bugs will be removed. > # * Packages orphaned 180 days ago and with NMUed RC bugs will be removed. > #

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-04-11 23:11]: > These packages all look likely to be leaves, but have you checked > for other packages depending on them just to be sure? Not yet, but I intend to do so before the removal. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT), Joe Nahmias wrote: > > Will these packages will still be available through archive.d.o or will > they be purged from there as well? These packages will be available through http://snapshot.debian.net/, as much as I can afford to maintain. Regards, Fumito

Re: Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-12 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Friday 11 April 2003 16:34, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > * Programs which access SQL databases should do so through > libgda2/unixodbc/???. > > ... assuming that we can reach some sort of consensus on which library > should be used..? Why is a consesus needed? I agree with you that having each p

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * modify dpkg (already planned) to allow it to install packages from > different architectures on a system where it makes sense > * change the naming of the libraries, for example by adding '64' to > the 64bit version of a library > > Th

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Friday 11 April 2003 19:52, Joe Nahmias wrote: > Will these packages will still be available through archive.d.o or will > they be purged from there as well? I guess you thought about http://snapshot.debian.net/ instead of archive? s.d.n main page explicitely says that removed pkgs will be ret

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > I guess you thought about http://snapshot.debian.net/ instead of archive? > s.d.n main page explicitely says that removed pkgs will be retained there. So > there's no problem recovering the latest version fro

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: > I am not currently using anything on the wnpp-list, but it > seems to me that not all these packages are better off gotten > rid off. > > Does anyone know something about the importance of these > packages? > I would suspect packages

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > That doesn't scale terribly well, does it? Everytime a new 64 bit > architecture is introduced, all the library packages have to be updated > by hand (instead of just being recompiled). I don't see that. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 03:38:45PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > That doesn't scale terribly well, does it? Everytime a new 64 bit > > architecture is introduced, all the library packages have to be updated > > by hand (instead of just being reco

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [...] > > mnogosearch > > Again, several alternatives. search.d.o is using it, IIRC it was the only search engine able to index foreign languages found on www.d.o. Denis

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Saturday 12 April 2003 15:42, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > How do you generate binary packages libfoo or lib64foo out of source > foo depending on the target architecture? Every architecture knows where its libraries are installed. One way would be to make 'dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_LIBTY

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > pptp-linux > > AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of > the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt > many people will be hugely affected. Well, uni shut down VPN-access a

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Every architecture knows where its libraries are installed. One way > would be to make 'dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_LIBTYPE' return either > 'lib' or 'lib64' depending on the architecture. You have to do > something like this anyway because the f

Bug#188713: ITP: duplicity -- encrypted bandwith-efficient backup

2003-04-12 Thread Martin Wuertele
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-12 Severity: wishlist * Package name: duplicity Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Ben Escoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity/ * License : GPL Description : encrypted bandwidth

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > biomode -- [Biology] An Emacs mode to edit genetic data [#100215] > * Orphaned 671 days ago I hope that the bugs will be fixed soon - at least I have heard rumors that work is going on. > bugsx -- evolve biomorphs using genetic algorithms [#86636]

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 05:39:14PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > mpsql -- A graphical frontend for PostgreSQL [#89957] > > * Orphaned 755 days ago > It would be great if someone would step in here. Graphical frontends to > PostgreSQL are quite rare. It's not installable (#175816) and upstrea

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Nathan Paul Simons may or may not have written... [snip] > Speaking for myself, I can say that I still have playmidi installed, albeit > version 2.3 instead of 2.4 (2.4 drums sound ugly on my wavetable for some > reason I can't fathom; not a Debian problem per se, it's in upstream to

Hardware Compatibility List for Woody (exist)?

2003-04-12 Thread debian_noob
Dear Debian Devs, Is there any kind of Hardware Compatibility List for Debian(Woody)? I know there is the Hardware-Howto but this document is (too) old. How can I collect an up-to-date Hardware Compatibility List by inspecting (which) Kernel-Code(-Parts)? (How are the SuSE people for example do

Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread debian_noob
Dear Debian Developers, I am very new to Debian and know I want to dive deeper into Debian. For this I have some questions: 1) What kind of developing does a Debian developer? Are you developing the packages (*.deb files)? I ask because I want to understand why this is so complicated. There are

Fwd: ITP: oscommerce -- Online shop e-commerce solution with PHP/MySQL

2003-04-12 Thread Bruno David Rodrigues
- Mensagem Reenviada de [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Data: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:37:44 +0100 De: Bruno David Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Assunto: ITP: oscommerce -- Online shop e-commerce solution with PHP/MySQL Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] retitle 187134 ITP: oscommerce -- Online shop

Re: fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > I once tried to do something similar, but noticed that > > user-mode-linux does the same thing to a fuller extent. > > > > If you look at it this way, user-mode-linux is a fakeroot that traps > > all syscalls. > > user-mode-linux has too big overload and it is available only for i386

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Saturday 12 April 2003 16:58, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > >> Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > Every architecture knows where its libraries are installed. One way > > would be to make 'dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_LIBTYPE' return either > > 'lib' or 'lib64' depending on the

Bug#188732: ITP: gtk2-engines-smooth -- Highly configurable GTK+ 2 theme

2003-04-12 Thread Ross Burton
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-12 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gtk2-engines-smooth Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Andrew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/smooth-engine * License : GPL Description

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread José Luis Tallón
At 19:10 12/04/2003 +0200, you wrote: On Saturday 12 April 2003 16:58, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > >> Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > Every architecture knows where its libraries are installed. One way > > would be to make 'dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_LIBTYPE' return either >

Re: Hardware Compatibility List for Woody (exist)?

2003-04-12 Thread Sami Haahtinen
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 06:58:35PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How can I collect an up-to-date Hardware Compatibility List by > inspecting (which) Kernel-Code(-Parts)? (How are the SuSE people for > example do this-they have a very big HCL but I don't know if Debian > can use the same HCL-?)

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 09:15:32PM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: > [ Disclaimer: just subscribed -- caught the thread already started ] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel > Why not just define the new architecture x86-64 and have katie/buildd do > the rest? > > Anything to do with the abilit

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Bob Proulx
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 1) What kind of developing does a Debian developer? Are you developing the > packages (*.deb files)? Yes. But that is only part of the entire task. > I ask because I want to understand why this is so complicated. There are > "apt"-scripts to create *.deb-files fro

Bug#188748: ITP: zabbix -- Application and network monitoring

2003-04-12 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-12 Severity: wishlist * Package name: zabbix Version : 1.0beta9 Upstream Author : Alexei Vladishev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://zabbix.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Application an

Re: Hardware Compatibility List for Woody (exist)?

2003-04-12 Thread Eric Schwartz
How can I collect an up-to-date Hardware Compatibility List by inspecting (which) Kernel-Code(-Parts)? (How are the SuSE people for example do this-they have a very big HCL but I don't know if Debian can use the same HCL-?) Nor, nor could they really-- SuSE generates their list by people paying

Bug#188757: ITP: libmysqlclient-lgpl -- LGPL-licensed client library for MySQL databases

2003-04-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-12 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libmysqlclient-lgpl Version : 3.23.56 Upstream Author : MySQL AB * URL : http://www.mysql.com/ * License : LGPL Description : LGPL-licensed client library for MySQL

Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-12 Thread Herbert Xu
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> * pump >> * Add /etc/pump directory >> * Change /sbin/pump to: >> * Store PID in /run, not in /var/run > > Quite. Programs in /sbin shouldn't, in general, be using /var/run. I won't debate whether this is true in general, bug it

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi, On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 05:39:14PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > sabre -- Fighter plane simulator. [#175226] > > * Orphaned 97 days ago > > * 1 RC bugs. > Hmm, would be a shame if noone would care for it. My son likes it and > the bugs on i

Bug#188771: ITP: multitail -- view diffent logiles windowed on console

2003-04-12 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-13 Severity: wishlist * Package name: multitail Version : 1.5 Upstream Author : Folkert van Heusden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/ * License : GPL Description : view mul

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 04:01:28PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > [...] > > > mnogosearch > > > > Again, several alternatives. > > search.d.o is using it, IIRC it was the only search engine > able to index foreign languages found o

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 06:56:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People who don't use their real names are either too stupid or too embarrassed by what they are saying. Either way, reading the mail they send merely wastes valuable seconds. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Christian Surchi
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 12:59:05AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > People who don't use their real names are either too stupid or too > embarrassed by what they are saying. Either way, reading the mail they > send merely wastes valuable seconds. There is no reason to blame people that wants to be

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 02:28:23AM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 12:59:05AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > People who don't use their real names are either too stupid or too > > embarrassed by what they are saying. Either way, reading the mail they > > send merely wast

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Christian Surchi
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 02:52:23AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > There is no reason to blame people that wants to be anonymous. > > Anonymity and privacy should be rights all over the world. > > F^WBlaming people is a right, too :P Destroying absurd commonplaces too! ;-) -- Christian Surchi,