On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:08:03AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 24-Apr-03, 13:31 (CDT), Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > when did windows become the native OS on x86?
> Just to be difficult: The original "OS" for the IBM PC was DOS[1], and
> if you track the lineage, I think
On 24-Apr-03, 13:31 (CDT), Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when did windows become the native OS on x86?
Just to be difficult: The original "OS" for the IBM PC was DOS[1], and
if you track the lineage, I think it's fair to call Windows the "native"
OS for that architecture.
> And w
* Joey Hess
| Hmm, you might have to do something mildly tricky with the limits stuff;
| if the user did not turn it on you would have to manage
| commenting/uncommenting the lines in the config file. Still seems quite
| doable.
db_get mailman/gate_news || true
if [ "$RET" = "no" ]; then
On 21-Apr-03, 21:16 (CDT), John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don Armstrong writes:
> > I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
> > allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
>
> I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
I remember
* LapTop006
| I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
| OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
| (Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
| offline IMAP.
use isync or something similar? Or try gnus (wh
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:01:35AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
> > I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
> > OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
> > (Mozilla 1.0 came close, ha
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> cvsd.conf is a trivial config file to parse and modify from what I can
> see.
>
> port=`sed -n 's/^Port *\([^ ]*\).*$/\1/p' < /etc/cvsd/cvsd.conf`
>
> That's a reasonable way to get any value from it. I'm glad you do this
What abo
On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
> I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
> OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
> (Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
> offline IMAP.
Try Mac OS X's "
I demand that Joey Hess may or may not have written...
[snip]
> You may choose to remove the chroot jail but you will also
> loose all the repositories inside the chroot jail. If you have not
> | backed up your repositories you want to keep, do not remove it now;
> | manually remove it later o
Jesus Climent wrote:
> How much of POSIX compliant is dash? I have not been able to reproduce your
> abcde bugs [1] [2] by using ksh/sh/bash in POSIX mode.
Well I think the abcde bugs are probably dash bugs. But aside from bugs
it's as posix compliant as anything else in debian, as far as that goe
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:24:01AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> >
> > This looks like it may be due to a bug (or incompatibility) in zsh. Do you
> > have /bin/sh set to zsh? I have some strange results if I use zsh to
> > process the postinst. I'll do some more testing. Somehow the result of the
> >
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:16:08 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Don Armstrong writes:
>> I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
>> allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
>
>I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
And I h
Don Armstrong writes:
> I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
> allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Steve Greenland wrote:
> If you have a package that is asking only medium and lower priority
> debconf questions, then debconf should not be used at all.
I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debia
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 03:49:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
[...]
> Honestly you should not be so upset by these debconf abuses about
> configuration files overwriting, this is a difficult issue and AFAICT
> documentation does not help.
Correction, debconf-devel(7) explains how to do it right,
On Mon Apr 21, 10:05am -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 19-Apr-03, 11:44 (CDT), David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > From debconf-devel(8): "low: Very trivial items that have defaults that
> > will work in the vast majority of cases; oinly control freaks see
> > these."
>
> If you
On 20-Apr-03, 21:14 (CDT), Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Windows-centric"? FFS, where do you think the term "registry" /comes/
> from?
While the term registry comes from Windows, it's worth noting that AIX
had the equivalent ('object manager') (which has nothing to do with OOP)
On 19-Apr-03, 11:44 (CDT), David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From debconf-devel(8): "low: Very trivial items that have defaults that
> will work in the vast majority of cases; oinly control freaks see
> these."
>From Debian policy, 11.7.3, regarding how to achieve the requirement of
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:07:24 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> I would like to point out that support for the Mail-Followup-To
>> header is not required. It is sufficient that the mail client lets
>> you edit the headers before sending the mail. This works in all
>> mail clients I'm a
* Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Matt Ryan (2003-04-21 11:03:49 +0100) :
>
> > Again, if anyone knows of another client that supports both
> > requirements I'll give it a go.
>
> A good mail client that works on Windows, provides IMAP and obeys
> standard headers? I suggest Gnus. It does all
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:03:03AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Denis Barbier wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > Enough already.
> > >
> > > Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
> > > in README.Debian and config file overwrit
Matt Ryan (2003-04-21 11:03:49 +0100) :
> Again, if anyone knows of another client that supports both
> requirements I'll give it a go.
A good mail client that works on Windows, provides IMAP and obeys
standard headers? I suggest Gnus. It does all that, and more.
Roland.
--
Roland Mas
Sauvez
I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
(Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
offline IMAP. This e-mail comes to you via putty on my laptop being
NAT'd via my debi
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote (and CC'd me):
> > (the irony is almost too much to bear)
> Why? I have 5 PC's here (at home) and 4 of them run Debian (mixture of
> stable, testing and unstable). I have one Windows box that I use for email
> and web browsing as I happen t
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:07:24PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Trouble is I need to know what the sender of the email, I'm replying to,
> wanted in regards to getting copies of the response to both list and direct.
> One could manually parse the email headers and set the reply appropriately
> but thi
> I would like to point out that support for the Mail-Followup-To header
> is not required. It is sufficient that the mail client lets you edit the
> headers before sending the mail. This works in all mail clients I'm
> aware of, even if some of them make things a bit awkward.
Trouble is I need to
On ma, 2003-04-21 at 13:03, Matt Ryan wrote:
> As another developer has pointed out, I'm not running Debian on this box.
> There are plenty of other email clients for Windows, but I suspect that all
> of them are going to be somewhat lax in following follow-up headers in
> email.
I would like to p
> > No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal
> > retentives. Sure there was the whole free software part - but not
> > the SS Nazi version of free software that is being prompted
> > recently. I have to say that I'm beginning to think that your
> > assessment is right and I should
> True, however it seems clear that he is not running Debian.
This is the case as you have noticed.
> (the irony is almost too much to bear)
Why? I have 5 PC's here (at home) and 4 of them run Debian (mixture of
stable, testing and unstable). I have one Windows box that I use for email
and web
> > Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to
> > evaluate the sender preference on being copied on list emails. Any
> > suggestions for a MUA that can perform this feat are appreciated.
>
> Any mailer that honours the Mail-Followup-To: header that I set would do
> nicely. T
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:02:19PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> >Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
> [SNIPPED LONG DIATRIBE THAT DOES NOT PROVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT]
> Sure, you delete the registry things should still work. Did I say anything
> different? You are making a
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> - cvsd/listen:
>s/cvsd will listen on/on which cvsd will listen/
> # Avoid dangling preposition
This is an English usage question of the sort that will get the
English and Linguistics departments at some universities to start
leaving nasty notes
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:53:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:09:41PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > Colin Watson wrote:
> > > BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is "please don't send me
> > > private copies of posts to mailing lists". Thanks.
> >
> > Apologies,
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:09:41PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is "please don't send me
> > private copies of posts to mailing lists". Thanks.
>
> Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to
> evaluate the send
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal
> retentives. Sure there was the whole free software part - but not
> the SS Nazi version of free software that i
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
> software that is
On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 15:57, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi [...]
Congratulations, you just proved (yet a
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
> software that i
> BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is "please don't send me
> private copies of posts to mailing lists". Thanks.
Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to evaluate
the sender preference on being copied on list emails. Any suggestions for a
MUA that can perform th
>Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
[SNIPPED LONG DIATRIBE THAT DOES NOT PROVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT]
Sure, you delete the registry things should still work. Did I say anything
different? You are making a long tenuous link to prove your point which I
don't subscribe to. U
> No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
software that is being prompted recently. I have to say that I'm beginning
to think
> Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
> developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
> like Joey Hess, and has intituted a couple of major changes in how
> Debian works, and an unknown twit, guess who am I going to listen to?
Yawn. I don't know and
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:03:40PM +0200, Arthur de Jong wrote:
> >s/zero (0)/0/ # Apparently writing it out has the possibility to make
> > # someone enter the number the wrong way so why not just
> > # not write it out?
> I spelled out zero because some
Arthur de Jong wrote:
> I have received a Brazillian translation of the debconf questions that I'm
> merging into cvsd (bug #187795). I saw the German translation at
> http://ddtp.debian.org/cgi-bin/ddtp.cgi?part=debconf&package=cvsd
> before but I never saw the page you linked (very useful page
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> Arthur de Jong wrote:
> > Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage
> > and tell me what you do and don't like?
>
> Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.)
> I am ccing this to -devel just
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:17:16 +0100,
>> Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Policy is what matters not the opinion of some jumped up
> developers!
Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
like J
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:58:14AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
|
| This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
| persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
| script to properly seed debconf to ask the right questions, then why
| does debconf have a
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:58:14 +0200,
>> Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
> This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
script to properly
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
> Hmm, future plans really seems to be quite interesting. Is there a
> mailing list dedicated to discussing debconf ideas and implementation I
> could subscribe to ?
>
> I saw that there's a link to an ancient "Config" mailing list at
> kitenet, but it seems not to be activ
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
> > with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
> > last Debian Conference if you like.
> I realise he has an opinion on how things shou
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 15:17, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
> > with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
> > last Debian Conference if you like.
>
> I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
> > with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
> > last Debian Conference if you like.
>
> I realise he has an op
> Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
> with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
> last Debian Conference if you like.
I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done. Depending on your
own viewpoint this may be more influe
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
> > Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
> > Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
> > couldn't find it.
>
> Hmm, I don't have it online that I know
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
> > Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
> > Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
> > couldn't find it.
>
> Hmm, I don't have it online that I know
On Sat Apr 19, 11:18am -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
> > > I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
> > > For instance all questions asked
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
> Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
> Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
> couldn't find it.
Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it was mostly extemporaneous
anyway. (Here, I've linked the slides
On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
> > I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
> > For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default
> > values, so there
One more thing that I didn't notice until purging the package. In the
purge question, you refer to "selecting yes" and "answering no". Don't
do that, some debconf frontends do not use yes or no; the user might be
staring at a check box when they see that text. Just ask the question,
something like
Arthur de Jong wrote:
> Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage and
> tell me what you do and don't like?
Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.)
I am ccing this to -devel just because.
All of the debconf questions are pretty well wor
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:46:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
> with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
> last Debian Conference if you like.
Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on wh
Steve Kowalik wrote:
> Well, not all use of debconf is bad. For example, libnet-perl is a terrible
> misuse of debconf, *but* it can be remedied by dropping the priority of the
> questions from medium to low.
At least libnet-perl is actually asking questions and preserving some
(though not all) us
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 02:08:27PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> >Enough already.
> >
> >Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
> >in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
> >it.
> >
> >Stop slapping incorrect uses of deb
Denis Barbier wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Enough already.
> >
> > Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
> > in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
> > it.
> >
> > Stop slapping incorrect
>Enough already.
>
>Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
>in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
>it.
>
>Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run
>any package using debconf by me before you upload it,
At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
> I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
> For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default
> values, so there is no reason to prompt user, a configuration file is
> enough. So what am I
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Enough already.
>
> Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
> in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
> it.
>
> Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel f
Package: binutils
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 19:14, Joey Hess wrote:
> Enough already.
>
> Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
> in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
> it.
Amen. For example, we really need to kill that "kernel lin
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run
any package using debconf by me before you upload it, or take
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