On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:07:43PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Mike Bird]
> > No one objected to having apt decide by giving priority
> > precedence over lexical:
> It sounds good until you notice just how many dependency resolvers we
> have floating around. dselect, apt, aptitude, pbuilder
[Mike Bird]
> No one objected to having apt decide by giving priority
> precedence over lexical:
It sounds good until you notice just how many dependency resolvers we
have floating around. dselect, apt, aptitude, pbuilder, sbuild - at
least. Don't know if synaptic has its own or borrows from li
On Thu August 21 2008 03:22:41 Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:53:49AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Package exim4:
> > Provides: default-mta
> >
> > Package: foo
> > Depends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent
> >
> > This should be enough to single out one MTA as the o
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:53:49AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >> > Er, no, that wouldn't happen. As long as packages correctly depend on
> >> > default-mta | mail-transport-agent, this will have no impact on upgrades.
> >> This can happen if user has 'default-mta' package installed, and
On a related note
If I dood it, I get a whipping. I dood it.
What about the possibility of MTA/MSP alternatives - I'd like to
support the next generation sendmail (Meta - used to be SM x) -
a very postfix like design for enhanced security.
I recall RH, or a deriviative that su
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:10:39AM +0200, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov wrote:
> 15 травня 2008 о 16:24 -0700 Steve Langasek написав(-ла):
> > > What concerns me about this approach is that it could easilly end up with
> > > dist-upgrades swapping out users mail systems without warning. I would
> > > con
* Sune Vuorela
| 3) do the real ugly hack and invent a a-m-t-a depending on the default mta
FWIW, aa sorts together with å (after x, y, z, æ and ø (or ø and æ, in
da_DK, I think)) in some locales, so that might not be the best
choice.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
UNIX is user friendly, it's just pic
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>
>> Noticing among others this bug report
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322751 and observing the
>> many packages depending on $MTA | mail-transport-agent with $MTA h
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 04:45:19PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > 2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4. All
> > packages requiring a MTA should depend on default-mta |
> > mail-transport-agent.
> > This will have the extra advantage that we (and others like CDDs a
Eugeniy Meshcheryakov, 2008-05-16 02:10:39 +0200 :
> This can happen if user has 'default-mta' package installed, and it
> changes (if it is done like with 'gcc' package now).
Unless default-mta Depends: exim4 | mail-transport-agent. But that's
a bit ugly.
Roland.
--
Roland Mas
Fate always wi
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > 2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4. All
> > packages requiring a MTA should depend on default-mta |
> > mail-transport-agent.
> > This will have the extra advantage that we (and others like CDDs and
> > derived
> >
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:10:39AM +0200, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov wrote:
>> 15 ÑÑÐ°Ð²Ð½Ñ 2008 о 16:24 -0700 Steve Langasek напиÑав(-ла):
>> > > What concerns me about this approach is that it could easilly end up
>> > > with
>> > > dist-upg
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> sensible-editor and sensible-browser are /commands/
Provided by the 'debianutils' package.
> default-mta is not at all like this.
You're right, I'm wrong. Thanks for clearing my confusion.
--
\ "Hey Homer! You're late for English!" "Pff! Engl
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:53:03AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > > 2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4.
> > > All packages requiring a MTA should depend on d
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>
> > 2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4.
> > All packages requiring a MTA should depend on default-mta |
> > mail-transport-agent. This will have the extra ad
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:10:39AM +0200, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov wrote:
> 15 травня 2008 о 16:24 -0700 Steve Langasek написав(-ла):
> > > What concerns me about this approach is that it could easilly end up with
> > > dist-upgrades swapping out users mail systems without warning. I would
> > > con
15 травня 2008 о 16:24 -0700 Steve Langasek написав(-ла):
> > What concerns me about this approach is that it could easilly end up with
> > dist-upgrades swapping out users mail systems without warning. I would
> > consider such behaviour unacceptable as it could easilly cause mail loss
>
> Er,
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> Noticing among others this bug report
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322751 and observing the
> many packages depending on $MTA | mail-transport-agent with $MTA having
> values like postfix, exim, exim4, sendmai
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> All of the MTA's provide mail-transport-agent. I had assumed that apt
> would choose between them on the basis that exim4-daemon-light is the
> only provider with priority standard, the others being optional or extra.
>
> If apt does not consider package p
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:39:36PM +0100, peter green wrote:
>> 2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4. All
>> packages requiring a MTA should depend on default-mta |
>> mail-transport-agent. This will have the extra advantage that we (and
>> others like CDDs and der
peter green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems to me that the ideal soloution would be to fix apt/the
> repositry system so that the defaults for a virtual package can be
> explicitly designed.
I have no idea how to do this and no time to help, but I think this would
be really cool and would
2) Introduce a default-mta package (currently) depending on exim4. All
packages requiring a MTA should depend on default-mta | mail-transport-agent.
This will have the extra advantage that we (and others like CDDs and derived
distros) easily could swap default MTA.
What concerns me about this a
On Thu May 15 2008 14:33:04 Sune Vuorela wrote:
> The latter, just depending on mail-transport-agent, makes apt, at least
> currently, pick the package first in the alphabet providing m-t-a. (A bit
> ago, this was courier. now it is citadel). This definately needs fixing,
> but why not sort everyth
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