Robert Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Without going in depth as to what traceroute and ping are (a fruitless flame
> war)
Facts can not build a flame war. Opinions (about "depth" or somesuch)
can.
> suffice it to say that I disagree with your "deeper" comment.
Ok.
> These 'boundaries'
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:24:42PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
> Dylan Paul Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> > > at the risk of reigniting a flame war, how is traceroute in a different
> > > catagory that ping?
>
> tracerout
Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > traceroute is "deeper" than ping.
>
> and that changes something? one cannot assume that because someone is not
> logged in as root, they are a casual user.
Why not? Non-casual users can start these programs from sbin
nonetheless (see FHS rationale for
> Agreed (mostly). It is very important that Debian have things in the same
> place as other Linux distros, and other common Unix flavours. Otherwise,
> scripts from commercial software and other stuff that isn't always as
> portable as it should be will be spuriously broken on Debian. Lets not
> For instance, a program joeuser uses often is 'traceroute' (which is in
> /usr/sbin).
Right. But the maintainer refuses to do the right thing. End of the thread.
Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 22-Mar-00, 15:59 (CST), Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think this tread started with someone wanting the sbin directories in the
> > normal user's path by default. i see your point that moving those binaries
> > would break a lot of scr
Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > i think this tread started with someone wanting the sbin directories in the
> > normal user's path by default. i see your point that moving those binaries
> > would break a lot of scripts. i don't think appending t
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:48:47 +1100
> From: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Chad Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: of bash and ...sbin/
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000
Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> i think this tread started with someone wanting the sbin directories in the
> normal user's path by default. i see your point that moving those binaries
> would break a lot of scripts. i don't think appending to the default path
> would break anything. anyo
On 22-Mar-00, 15:59 (CST), Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i think this tread started with someone wanting the sbin directories in the
> normal user's path by default. i see your point that moving those binaries
> would break a lot of scripts. i don't think appending to the default path
>
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:59:23PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> i don't think appending to the default path would break anything.
> anyone have a problem with that?
nope. in fact, i routinely edit /etc/profile on new systems to do
that (i pre-pend the sbin directories, not append them).
it only
Craig Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> in short, add the sbin directories to your PATH and move on.
>
hey, i no more want to participate in a flamewar than the next guy. :-)
i think this tread started with someone wanting the sbin directories in the
normal user's path by default. i see your
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:50:10AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> Chad Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > I like that debian's bash package has different paths for users
> > and the superuser, but it's caused me to question ideas behind the
> > placement of some programs in 'sbin' directories.
Robert Bihlmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dylan Paul Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
>
> > > at the risk of reigniting a flame war, how is traceroute in a different
> > > catagory that ping?
>
> traceroute is "deeper" th
Dylan Paul Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> > at the risk of reigniting a flame war, how is traceroute in a different
> > catagory that ping?
traceroute is "deeper" than ping. It exposes things that the casual
user neither sees
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> > As policy states, things that pertain to system administration (and
> > traceroute is for troubleshooting networks) is to be in /sbin or
> > /usr/sbin. The difference between /sbin and /usr/sbin is that things that
> > could be needed
Chad Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> OTOH, i would leave ifconfig in /sbin, as it _is_ about this system, and
> it doesn't provide (much) information that DNS doesn't, unless there's
> sysadminning to be done. (There's also a huge amount of inertia that it
> be in /sbin/ .)
inertia aside,
Gak! I'd like to unask the question (and I do promise to have myself
flogged soon) except for Jacob's sub-topic:
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> at the risk of reigniting a flame war, how is traceroute in a different
> catagory that ping?
That, I think, is a good
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> Ben Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > As policy states, things that pertain to system administration (and
> > traceroute is for troubleshooting networks) is to be in /sbin or
> > /usr/sbin. The difference between /sbin and /usr/sbi
Ben Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> As policy states, things that pertain to system administration (and
> traceroute is for troubleshooting networks) is to be in /sbin or
> /usr/sbin. The difference between /sbin and /usr/sbin is that things that
> could be needed to rescue a broken system sho
Chad Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I like that debian's bash package has different paths for users and the
> superuser, but it's caused me to question ideas behind the placement of
> some programs in 'sbin' directories.
>
> For instance, a program joeuser uses often is 'traceroute' (whi
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:43:54AM -0500, Chad Miller wrote:
>
> I like that debian's bash package has different paths for users and the
> superuser, but it's caused me to question ideas behind the placement of
> some programs in 'sbin' directories.
>
> For instance, a program joeuser uses ofte
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:43:54AM -0500, Chad Miller wrote:
> Which is wrong? Is it bash' assumption that "only the superuser executes
> stuff in sbin," or that "these programs should be in sbin?" Essentially,
> by question boils down to "To which packages should I apply a bug
> report -- bash
Chad Miller wrote:
> Which is wrong? Is it bash' assumption that "only the superuser executes
> stuff in sbin," or that "these programs should be in sbin?" Essentially,
> by question boils down to "To which packages should I apply a bug
> report -- bash or the others?"
>
This has been discuss
I like that debian's bash package has different paths for users and the
superuser, but it's caused me to question ideas behind the placement of
some programs in 'sbin' directories.
For instance, a program joeuser uses often is 'traceroute' (which is in
/usr/sbin). Other (questionable) ones mi
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