Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > traceroute is "deeper" than ping. > > and that changes something? one cannot assume that because someone is not > logged in as root, they are a casual user.
Why not? Non-casual users can start these programs from sbin nonetheless (see FHS rationale for not making sbin off-limits to users), so why not make the safe assumption that the user is a casual one. Programs that have expert modes (dselect, fdisk, lynx, etc.) always start with it turned off. I think this is a good strategy. > saying that traceroute is deeper than ping is like saying that > ps is deeper than ls. It is, just on a different measure. This does not disprove my statement. FWIW, I feel the need for ps much more often than for traceroute. > and since when do we try to hide problems, in the > network or otherwise? Yes, in a way functionality is hidden: because it is not normally needed. Do you contest the need for novice vs. expert modes in general? > that will only encourage people to run things as root. this is *not* a good > idea. mtr is suid-root, so this is a moot point. -- Robbe
