On Mittwoch, 25. März 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Munin ... does not
> support alerting
It does. Directly or via nagios.
regards,
Holger
signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Marco d'Itri dijo [Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:14:53PM +0100]:
> > trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> > have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> > don't go well together. Udev expects a real system where there's none and
>
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 09:54:42AM -0500]:
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
> configure? On the other ha
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:55:58AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Wouter Verhelst:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> * Bernd Zeimetz:
> >> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> >> > feature, not a bug.
> >>
> >> I think you
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:17:01AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> > While 1.6% is indeed a rather small amount, I wouldn't call 1340 people
> > 'trivial'.
> I do, since I expect that most of these are using sarge or worse.
There's no proof of that. Personally,
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (16/03/2009):
> > So, ethtool really needs to grow an option to iterate over all
> > netdevs, and another one to print a summary of link state and
> > speed,duplex before mii-tool could be dropped.
>
> I won't promise anyth
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (16/03/2009):
> So, ethtool really needs to grow an option to iterate over all
> netdevs, and another one to print a summary of link state and
> speed,duplex before mii-tool could be dropped.
I won't promise anything, but I'm interested in having a look, time
permittin
* Wouter Verhelst:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Bernd Zeimetz:
>> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
>> > feature, not a bug.
>>
>> I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
>> anyway. Or has the kern
On Mar 21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> While 1.6% is indeed a rather small amount, I wouldn't call 1340 people
> 'trivial'.
I do, since I expect that most of these are using sarge or worse.
> That would be a good argument if you were to explain how, exactly, it
> would make other packages more comp
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Bernd Zeimetz:
> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> > feature, not a bug.
>
> I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
> anyway. Or has the kernel been changed and can rena
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:53:19AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> > It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> > and many people do so.
> popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
popcon tells me that there a
* Bernd Zeimetz:
>> Kill it ASAP, it's not compatible with udev.
>
> Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> feature, not a bug.
I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
anyway. Or has the kernel been changed and can rename interfaces
which are i
Hi,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
> configure?
actually you just do
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Holger Levsen wrote:
>
>
>>> netstat
>>> ---
>> munin
>
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing a
On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> netstat
>> ---
>
> munin
Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
configure? On the ot
Hi Jonas,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >plugin. We dont want to suggest asterisk just because there is a plugin
> >to monitor it :)
>
> Why not?
>
> The purpose of "Suggests:" is exactly to declare non-important
> relationship. From Policy 7.2:
True, but IMO it's the other
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 02:10:40PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
>munin uses netstat only in the netstat plugin. I've now added a
>suggests (in svn) on the assumption that netstat is a rather common
>plugin. We dont want to suggest asterisk just becaus
Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Luk,
Hi Holger
> On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
>>> How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
>> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I gu
Hi Luk,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
> > How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I guess
> some packages use net-tools if a
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:30:18PM -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>
> About the wrapper scripts:
> * ipconfig, route: the most difficult ones, both can be replaced by
> calls to "ip", maybe except for some obscure options.
Suggestion about the wrapper scripts. It would be nice if they had a
mode
> Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi Luk,
> >
> > On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> >> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
> >
> > How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
>
> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package
Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Luk,
>
> On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
>
> How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I guess
some pac
Hi Luk,
On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
> ifconfig + route
>
sitesummary
> netstat
> ---
munin
> ifconfig
>
fai
deb
Martín Ferrari wrote:
> Hi,
Hi
In our call to move away from net-tools, I want to first start with
identifying the packages that still use it:
> * ifconfig, route: the most difficult ones, both can be replaced by
> calls to "ip", maybe except for some obscure options.
> * netstat : sstat provi
On Fri March 20 2009 09:29:26 Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:13:45PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Marco, it was you that cited absence of evidence (the low popcon
> > score) as evidence of absence. You don't get to accuse Adam of doing
> > the same, especially since he's not doi
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:13:45PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> > On Mar 20, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > > popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> > > Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort of removing udev from
> > > some systems are le
Twas brillig at 15:30:11 20.03.2009 UTC+01 when kilob...@angband.pl did gyre
and gimble:
AB> udev is needed to allow for complex and/or hotplugged hardware.
AB> Small systems have either little, static hardware,
Small systems nowadays have a lot of hotplugged hardware: various USB
devices, fr
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 02:37:44PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > You keep missing the point. udev matters in the host system, not in each
> > > context.
> > Do you mean the original point of this thread, about ifrename (which indeed
> > can't be used inside vse
On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > You keep missing the point. udev matters in the host system, not in each
> > context.
> Do you mean the original point of this thread, about ifrename (which indeed
> can't be used inside vserver or openvz, can be in xen)? Or do you mean
> other uses of udev?
A
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:03:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > They have their specific needs, and the last time I checked, udev couldn't
> > fulfill them. You need just /dev/{null,zero,full,random,urandom,tty,ptmx}
> > and the links to /proc/. More may be ne
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Mar 20, Mike Bird wrote:
>
> > > popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> > Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort of removing udev from
> > some systems are less likely to install popcon on those systems?
> And surely lurkers a
On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> They have their specific needs, and the last time I checked, udev couldn't
> fulfill them. You need just /dev/{null,zero,full,random,urandom,tty,ptmx}
> and the links to /proc/. More may be needed, but that depends on the
You keep missing the point. udev matter
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:14:53PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> > have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> > don't go well together. Udev expects
Le vendredi 20 mars 2009 à 12:14 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> This is why you install udev in the host system and bind-mount its /dev
> to the /dev of each context.
Erm… no, you don’t.
--
.''`. Debian 5.0 "Lenny" has been released!
: :' :
`. `' Last night, Darth Vader came down from p
On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> udev is desired, nearly required for big systems, right. It's bloat and
It's not.
> trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> don't go well togethe
On Fri March 20 2009 02:53:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> > and many people do so.
>
> popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort o
Twas brillig at 10:50:23 20.03.2009 UTC+01 when kilob...@angband.pl did gyre
and gimble:
AB> It's bloat and trouble for embedded or limited ones.
mdev from busybox kicks in there.
--
pgpoBcZgEVOcl.pgp
Description: PGP signature
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:57:13AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:07:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
> > important features of Debian systems. Anything not compatible with udev
> > is a toy which wastes
On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> and many people do so.
popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> Whether you agree that this is useful or a 'toy'
> setup is beside the point; fact is that it happ
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 09:05:53AM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Ben Hutchings writes:
> > You can do this with ethtool now, and more cleanly:
> >
> > link-speed 100
> > link-duplex full
>
> Yes, I know. But that means that existing working configurations have
> to be modified.
Which shoul
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:07:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 15, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> > feature, not a bug.
> Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
> important features of Debian systems. Any
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:30 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Oops... I strongly suggest providing a wrapper that matches netstat's
> format as closely as possible (even bug-for-bug if possible). Netstat
> is probably among the most used tools by sysadmins and programmers
> alike, both for software we di
Martín Ferrari dijo [Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:30:18PM -0300]:
> Hi,
>
> Luk Claes and me, as the current maintainers of net-tools, we've been
> thinking about it's future. Net-tools has been a core part of Debian and
> any other linux based distro for many years, but it's showing its age.
> (...)
>
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> mii-tool may not be meant for scripts, but I for one have used it in
>> the past to force speed/duplex like this:
>>
>> iface eth1 inet static
>> address 10.122.226.9
>> netmask 255.25
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:25 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
[...]
> > I fail to see the value of removing mii-tool. I'd rather see just the
> > non-working features removed in favour of an ethtool recommendation.
>
> It doesn't recognis
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 06:41:14PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > * nameif: can be replaced by "ip link", not sure if it's worth the
> > effort (does anybody actually use it?)
>
> Never heard of it, and it seems redundant with udev now. There's also
> ifrename.
I think udev can now do everyth
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Martín Ferrari writes:
>
> > Problematic tools:
> > * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> > it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
> > it's distributed as a stand-alo
Martín Ferrari writes:
> Problematic tools:
> * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
> it's distributed as a stand-alone tool [0] and we could do the same.
A couple of notes:
mii-tool and
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
mii-tool behaviour when you call it without parameters is *extremely* useful
to locate which cable goes whe
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 21:52, Brian May wrote:
> Martín Ferrari wrote:
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> sstat?
>
> I see /usr/bin/sstat in slurm-llnl - but that doesn't look right.
>
> What sstat are you re
On Mar 15, David Paleino wrote:
> > [..] Welcome to 2008.
>
> Marco, did you dist-upgrade yourself? ;)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irony
HTH.
--
ciao,
Marco
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
> formatting changes and parsing the command line
>
sstat?
I see /usr/bin/sstat in slurm-llnl - but that doesn't look right.
What sstat are you referring to here?
--
Brian May
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, e
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:07:29 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> [..] Welcome to 2008.
Marco, did you dist-upgrade yourself? ;)
Ciao,
David
--
. ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino
: :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/
`. `'` GPG
On Mar 15, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a feature, not
> a bug.
Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
important features of Debian systems. Anything not compatible with udev
is a toy which wastes space in the arc
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 15, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
> netstat is in the same category and should be rep
Marco,
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 15:11, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
> netstat is in the same category and should be
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 14:30 -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote:
[...]
> * nameif: can be replaced by "ip link", not sure if it's worth the
> effort (does anybody actually use it?)
Never heard of it, and it seems redundant with udev now. There's also
ifrename.
> Problematic tools:
> * mii-tool: it cou
On Mar 15, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
> formatting changes and parsing the command line
While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
netstat is in the same category and should be replaced with something
which is
Hi,
Luk Claes and me, as the current maintainers of net-tools, we've been
thinking about it's future. Net-tools has been a core part of Debian and
any other linux based distro for many years, but it's showing its age.
It doesnt support many of the modern features of the linux kernel, the
interfac
59 matches
Mail list logo
