Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-13 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 11:32:33PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote: > > > Also, how do you display the names of the continents so that all of your > > non-English-speaking users can understand them? :) > I did not try a fresh install of Debian for a long time. How > do we display the language names now

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-13 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 08:17:06PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Dale Amon wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:56:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Dale Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > And if I'm a german living in america? > > > Then

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Dale Amon wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:56:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Dale Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And if I'm a german living in america? > Then you'd go to the normal alphabetical listing just > as you would have to now

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-12 Thread Dale Amon
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:56:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Dale Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And if I'm a german living in america? Then you'd go to the normal alphabetical listing just as you would have to now, while 99% of the users in that TZ had the right language as one of

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Dale Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:18:46PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a > wrote: > > > I would suggest adopting a policy for the language order. Of course, > > > determining the "most important" languages is a very delicate thing as > > > everyone would li

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Jochen Voss [Sat, Oct 11 2003, 11:32:33PM]: > > Also, how do you display the names of the continents so that all of your > > non-English-speaking users can understand them? :) > I did not try a fresh install of Debian for a long time. How > do we display the language names now so that

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-12 Thread Dale Amon
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:18:46PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > > I would suggest adopting a policy for the language order. Of course, > > determining the "most important" languages is a very delicate thing as > > everyone would like to have his own language listed on the first pa

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Jochen Voss
Hi, On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 04:20:34PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > So Debian users in Angola or East Timor would have to click on either > "South America" or "Europe" to be shown a Portuguese language option, > since there are currently no d-i translators for either of these > locales? Yes, I s

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:14:56PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 02:13:33PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > One posts suggested that fr_FR would be on the lists for both America > > and Asia. Portuguese is spoken on four continents, and I think the > > Brazilian Portuguese

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:35:24PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 06:04:32PM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > 2. Debian (official) should ship language chooser with: > > * Priority order list: C > > List C (en_US) as top and the rest alphabetically listed > > en_U

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 02:13:33PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > One posts suggested that fr_FR would be on the lists for both America > and Asia. Portuguese is spoken on four continents, and I think the > Brazilian Portuguese translations are sufficiently complete that many > other Portu

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:09:56PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote: > Hi, > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:33:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Sort using what locale? > > How many users know the locale name of their language? > > Sorting has big problems. > What about grouping by continent and only > sorti

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Jochen Voss
Hi, On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:33:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Sort using what locale? > > How many users know the locale name of their language? > > Sorting has big problems. What about grouping by continent and only sorting within these groups? This would be comprehensible by the user and l

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:20:58PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > I'm sure it'd be nice to educate users on every little bit of technology > > running their computer, but users simply shouldn't need to know what > > "en_US" means, and "English (United States)" makes a lot more sense. > > Well,

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:56:29PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > I'm sure it'd be nice to educate users on every little bit of technology > running their computer, but users simply shouldn't need to know what > "en_US" means, and "English (United States)" makes a lot more sense. Well, it is a long

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 06:36:45PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > If they dont know, then using debian will educate them right there in this > point. But besides that, since the locale name is not too far away from the > language name in most cases, I dont think anybody has problems with that. I'

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 12:33:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > How many users know the locale name of their language? If they dont know, then using debian will educate them right there in this point. But besides that, since the locale name is not too far away from the language name in most cases, I

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 06:04:32PM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > 2. Debian (official) should ship language chooser with: > * Priority order list: C > List C (en_US) as top and the rest alphabetically listed en_US is normally UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1. "C" is ASCII. "C" is not (even roughly

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Paul Cupis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 11 October 2003 17:04, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 05:02:50PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > Alphabetic on eighter the locale or the official language name for > > default debian. > > Sounds OK (but wh

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Joey Hess
Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 11:50:31AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > Not when the entry I want is alternatively "American English", "English", or > > "US/English" ... > > thats why it is best to sort by the locale en_* Sort using what locale? How many users know the locale

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 05:02:50PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:18:46PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > wrote: > > From my point of view, languagechooser should base its ordering in a very > > simple metric > > Alphabetic on eighter the locale or the officia

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 11:50:31AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > Not when the entry I want is alternatively "American English", "English", or > "US/English" ... thats why it is best to sort by the locale en_* Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],linux

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 05:02:50PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > And this will not increase the combined "scan time" from all users, because > you can much easier go down a list of entries where you know you can skip > hundreds (by first letter) compared to a list which you have to go down and >

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:18:46PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > From my point of view, languagechooser should base its ordering in a very > simple metric Alphabetic on eighter the locale or the official language name for default debian. If debian is rebranded and possible loca

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > I would suggest adopting a policy for the language order. Of course, > determining the "most important" languages is a very delicate thing as > everyone would like to have his own language listed on the first page. >

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > Finding a realistic criterion would be Good, maybe. Either the most used > languages all over the world, or the languages for which Debian is most > translated (french would become first, maybe..?:-))), or something based on > dev

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Christian Perrier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Package: language-chooser > Severity: normal #215205on languagechooser package (and not language-chooser :-)))

language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-11 Thread Christian Perrier
Package: language-chooser Severity: normal (this is tagged as normal on purpose.remember that the languagechooser menu is the very first thing one ses when installing Debian..:-)) The language order seems to be random. Hungarian first, then australian english, indian english, USA english, UK