On Sun, Nov 24, 2024, at 6:23 PM, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/24/24 17:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> 5. If we're moving hardware baselines for the sake of Rust (or any other
>> software on this architecture) it's already too late.
>
> Huh? Why?
>
> [Putting my Release Team hat off] Persona
Le dimanche 24 novembre 2024, 08:27:31 CET Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 08:31:15PM +, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> > > > > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop
> > > > > > disabling SSE2 there in rustc> > >
> > > > It will break I suppose ima
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:51 PM Paul Gevers wrote:
> [Release Team hat on] I would take consensus for a decision on the topic.
If the excess precision issue goes away by bumping the i386 baseline,
that would make my life easier.
Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha
On November 24, 2024 6:23:00 PM GMT+01:00, Paul Gevers
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On 11/24/24 17:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> 5. If we're moving hardware baselines for the sake of Rust (or any other
>> software on this architecture) it's already too late.
>
>Huh? Why?
>
>[Putting my Release Team hat of
* Paul Gevers [241124 18:51]:
> [Release Team hat on] I would take consensus for a decision on the topic.
Based on my casual reading up on what other distros did before us,
many years ago, ISTM raising the baseline to at least SSE2 would be
a very good idea.
Next up: raising the amd64 baseline.
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 06:23:00PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
> [Putting my Release Team hat off] Personally I think Debian should be
> raising the baseline for i386. I'm not sure about to which level, but I've
> seen proposals in this thread.
same here.
> [Release Team hat on] I would take conse
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 06:23:00PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/24/24 17:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > 5. If we're moving hardware baselines for the sake of Rust (or any other
> > software on this architecture) it's already too late.
>
> Huh? Why?
>
> [Putting my Release Team hat
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 06:23:00PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
> > 5. If we're moving hardware baselines for the sake of Rust (or any other
> > software on this architecture) it's already too late.
>
> Huh? Why?
I think the Andrew's idea in that line is "some software shouldn't be, and
some softwar
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 04:22:18PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop
> > > > > disabling SSE2 there in rustc
> > > >
> > > > As suggested by Chris, and a popular opinion/request in general.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Considering tha
Hi,
On 11/24/24 17:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
5. If we're moving hardware baselines for the sake of Rust (or any other
software on this architecture) it's already too late.
Huh? Why?
[Putting my Release Team hat off] Personally I think Debian should be
raising the baseline for i386. I'm no
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:28:28PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 07:05:39PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > > > SSE2 there in rustc
> > >
> > > As suggested by Chris, and a popular op
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 01:25:59PM +0100, Iustin Pop wrote:
> > >> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > >> SSE2 there in rustc
> > >> C) disable all optimizations for Rust code on i386 (not really an option
> > >> I think, just here for completeness sake)
>
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 at 13:25:59 +0100, Iustin Pop wrote:
> Are there viable/realistic platforms today that are i386 for real, and
> don't support SSE2? In other words, if Debian as a whole does B) (not
> only for rust), what is the practical impact on any non-toy hardware?
SSE2 is well over 20 yea
On 2024-11-24 11:00:20, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > * Fabian Grünbichler [241123 15:31]:
> >> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> >> SSE2 there in rustc
> >> C) disable all optimizations for Rust
Le 24/11/2024 à 05:00, Fabian Grünbichler a écrit :
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
* Fabian Grünbichler [241123 15:31]:
B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling SSE2
there in rustc
C) disable all optimizations for Rust code on i386
Le dimanche 24 novembre 2024, 09:54:18 UTC Fabian Grünbichler a écrit :
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Shengjing Zhu wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:30 PM Fabian Grünbichler
> > wrote:
> >> A) move i386 rustc to Rust's i586 target (which doesn't have SSE out of
> >> the box), instead o
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> * Fabian Grünbichler [241123 15:31]:
>> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling SSE2
>> there in rustc
>> C) disable all optimizations for Rust code on i386 (not really an option I
>> think, just here f
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Shengjing Zhu wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:30 PM Fabian Grünbichler
> wrote:
>> A) move i386 rustc to Rust's i586 target (which doesn't have SSE out of the
>> box), instead of the i686-with-SSE2-disabled it currently uses
>> B) bump the i386 baseline in De
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 8:05 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 11:29:04PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>> > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
>> > SSE2 there in r
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 07:05:39PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > > SSE2 there in rustc
> >
> > As suggested by Chris, and a popular opinion/request in general.
> >
>
> Considering that for Trixie we won't have a
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 08:31:15PM +, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> > > > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop
> > > > > disabling SSE2 there in rustc
> > >
> > > It will break I suppose imagemagick on i386 and scientific software
> > > testsuite
> > >
> > > i386 means
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:30 PM Fabian Grünbichler
wrote:
> A) move i386 rustc to Rust's i586 target (which doesn't have SSE out of the
> box), instead of the i686-with-SSE2-disabled it currently uses
> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling SSE2
> there in rust
Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 20:20:31 UTC Fabian Grünbichler a écrit :
>
> On November 23, 2024 9:03:26 PM GMT+01:00, "Jeremy Bícha"
> wrote:
> >On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 1:57 PM Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> >>
> >> Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 18:29:04 UTC Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
> >> > On Sat
On November 23, 2024 9:03:26 PM GMT+01:00, "Jeremy Bícha"
wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 1:57 PM Bastien Roucariès wrote:
>>
>> Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 18:29:04 UTC Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
>> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>> > > B) bump the i
Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 20:03:26 UTC Jeremy Bícha a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 1:57 PM Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> >
> > Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 18:29:04 UTC Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
> > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> > > > B) bump the i3
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 1:57 PM Bastien Roucariès wrote:
>
> Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 18:29:04 UTC Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> > > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > > SSE2 ther
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 11:29:04PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > SSE2 there in rustc
>
> As suggested by Chris, and a popular opinion/request i
Le samedi 23 novembre 2024, 18:29:04 UTC Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling
> > SSE2 there in rustc
It will break I suppose imagemagick on i386 and scientif
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:14:42PM +0100, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling SSE2
> there in rustc
As suggested by Chris, and a popular opinion/request in general.
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Quoting Chris Hofstaedtler (2024-11-23 17:50:25)
> * Fabian Grünbichler [241123 15:31]:
> > A) move i386 rustc to Rust's i586 target (which doesn't have SSE out of the
> > box), instead of the i686-with-SSE2-disabled it currently uses
> > B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and s
* Fabian Grünbichler [241123 15:31]:
> A) move i386 rustc to Rust's i586 target (which doesn't have SSE out of the
> box), instead of the i686-with-SSE2-disabled it currently uses
> B) bump the i386 baseline in Debian to require SSE2, and stop disabling SSE2
> there in rustc
> C) disable all opt
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 3:14 PM, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Chris Hofstaedtler (2024-11-23 04:16:29)
>>> * Jonas Smedegaard [241122 18:01]:
>>> > > All release architectures support Rust. We should not accept
>>> > > release
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Quoting Fabian Grünbichler (2024-11-23 15:14:42)
> p.s.: if you become aware of such an issue with any toolchain, it
> would be nice to file a bug report *with the corresponding toolchain
> package in Debian* to make its mainta
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Chris Hofstaedtler (2024-11-23 04:16:29)
>> * Jonas Smedegaard [241122 18:01]:
>> > > All release architectures support Rust. We should not accept
>> > > release architectures without Rust support.
>> > >
>> > > A minor set of po
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