Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 20 juillet 2008 à 16:05 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit : > Loïc, you offered to NMU this package here: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422590 > > This vastly improves the Gnome sound situation. Hope we can > get this in for L

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-20 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: >> > That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver >> > instead of the ALSA one

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-19 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: > > That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver > > instead of the ALSA one? I can really not imagine how esound on top of > > a broken ALSA driver would sound

Re: esound

2008-06-20 Thread Brian May
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I know is on my stripped down computer with no speakers (except for the boot beep beeper), I asked myself: why can I dpkg-purge esound-clients, but then if I do apt-get dist-upgrade (vs. dselect-upgrade), it gets installed back again? Well it turns out esound-clients

Re: esound

2008-06-19 Thread jidanni
All I know is on my stripped down computer with no speakers (except for the boot beep beeper), I asked myself: why can I dpkg-purge esound-clients, but then if I do apt-get dist-upgrade (vs. dselect-upgrade), it gets installed back again? Well it turns out esound-clients is depended on by libesd0

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Sam Morris
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:23 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, > except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). I regularly help users to find out why their sound has stopped working, and the cause is usually due to libes

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:12:52AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: very poor code quality That might be. But that's a problem of many gnome applications. To be quite honest, I've seen the code for esd, and it is terrible. In fact, worse than al

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 17 juin 2008 à 14:06 +0100, Klaus Ethgen a écrit : > OSS: Works well. > OSS<-ESD: Works well too. > ALSA: The problems above. > ALSA<-ESD: I never really tested. Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). --

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: > That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver > instead of the ALSA one? I can really not imagine how esound on top of > a broken ALSA driver would sound better than just using the ALSA > output directly? It might normalize which sa

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 14:06 +0100]: > > The alternative to esound is not really ALSA, but rather pulseaudio. > > Is pulsaudio supported by applications like wine for example? Do > pulsaudio work on top of OSS? pulseaudio provides an esound ABI compatibility layer, thus it's a drop-in replaceme

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Martin, Am Di den 17. Jun 2008 um 11:50 schrieb Martin Pitt: > Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: > > I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of > > ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than wit

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Klaus, Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: > I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of > ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than with OSS > direct but it is ok.) Hm, that rather sounds like for your card the OSS driver is much better than t

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: > esound should *so much* die completely. It has very poor sound quality I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not th

Re: esound with libasound2

2002-12-04 Thread Jordi Mallach
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 09:13:52PM -0800, Ryan Murray wrote: > This is an ABI change, and as ALSA 0.5 is still the stable release, (and > the only one that seems to work for me) I don't want to change it yet. Well, what Ryuichi said... ALSA people don't support 0.5 anymore. In any case, I guess it

Re: esound with libasound2

2002-12-04 Thread Thomas Hood
It would be useful if someone would package the current esound program. The esound package maintainer has clearly expressed his lack of interest in doing so. esound2 anyone? -- Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: esound with libasound2

2002-12-04 Thread Ryuichi Arafune
Then, please reconsider about uploading esound built with libasound2. Regards. By the way, how about gdm package? The current (in sid) gnome version is "2" !! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryan Murray) Subject: Re: esound with libasound2 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:13:52 -0800 Message-ID: <[E

Re: esound with libasound2

2002-12-03 Thread Ryan Murray
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:48:12PM +0900, Ryuichi Arafune wrote: > any objections? This is an ABI change, and as ALSA 0.5 is still the stable release, (and the only one that seems to work for me) I don't want to change it yet. > As in #170923, we have newer version of esound. If Debian esound