Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sun, 4 May 2014, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > The installer already asks whether to enable non-free repositories. Perhaps This could get a loud warning, yes. > the warning could be more verbose differentiating between open-source-but-non- > free (GFDL etc.) and closed-source. There is no diffe

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Solal dijo [Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:14:54PM +0200]: > >> I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters > > > > Who's 'we'? > > "We" in the official list of Debian developers means... The Debian > developers. So... Who are you? We¹ would like to know. ¹ "We" in the context of a mail

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Philip Hands
"IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)" writes: ... > and please do stop top-posting... s/top-// pgpuflwoBqD8u.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Jakub Wilk
* "IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)" , 2014-05-05, 18:58: PS: am i just feeding the troll? Yes. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)
On 05/05/2014 05:30 PM, Solal wrote: > No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. hmm, have you read the post you are replying to and what the "+1" was referring to? and please do stop top-posting... fgmards IOhannes PS: am i just feeding the troll? signature.asc Description: Open

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data lunedì 5 maggio 2014 17:30:01, Solal ha scritto: > No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. So don't install it and don't tell me what should I think. Cheers -- Salvo Tomaselli "Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di senso, ragione ed intel

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Solal
No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. Le 05/05/2014 17:28, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : >> …and firmware. > +1 > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.de

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> …and firmware. +1 -- Salvo Tomaselli "Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di senso, ragione ed intelletto intendesse che noi ne facessimo a meno." -- Galileo Galilei http://ltworf.github.io/ltworf/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-r

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Solal
Le 04/05/2014 23:15, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : > On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 01:59:09PM +0200, Solal wrote: >> I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters > > Who's 'we'? "We" in the official list of Debian developers means... The Debian developers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debi

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 01:59:09PM +0200, Solal wrote: > I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters Who's 'we'? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Philipp Kern
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > 2014-05-04 14:24:16 Solal: > > [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. > > My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but > > users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help > > from dev

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Wookey
+++ Solal [2014-05-04 17:11 +0200]: > Proprietary software is unethical and I see no reason to help unethical > things. So why are you apparently posting from a Mac? Hard to get much more unethical (in legal business) than Apple, IMHO. I do hope you didn't give them any money. (and you are sti

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Solal
I speak about Point 1 : "We will help creaters and users of both free and non-free software". Help creaters of non-free software is unethical. Don't support non-free software creaters and don't help them is freedom protective. Proprietary software is unethical and I see no reason to help unethical

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 04/05/2014 14:24, Solal wrote: > [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. > My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but > users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help > from developers, etc. But they are warned. > > Le 04/05/2014 14:20, Jean-Chr

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Timo Weingärtner
Hi, 2014-05-04 14:24:16 Solal: > [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. > My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but > users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help > from developers, etc. But they are warned. The installer already asks whether

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Solal
[GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help from developers, etc. But they are warned. Le 04/05/2014 14:20, Jean-Christophe Dubacq a écrit : > On 04/05/2014 13:59

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 04/05/2014 13:59, Solal wrote: > I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters, and we > should warn proprietary software users about proprietary software > unethicality (this does not mean that we will not help users proprietary > software but just that we warn of dangers. howewer,