On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 08:52:39AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> I'd really like to know how it is possible for one to use an LLM to make
> a contribution to a permissively licensed project (e.g. Expat) without
> in effect stealing the code from one's own tribe of Copyleft authors.
>
> Can one even
"M. Zhou" writes:
> On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>>
>> (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very
>> compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs
>> are lower.)
>
> Locally-trained models are not practical in the cu
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:
> On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
> >
> > Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new
> > packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of
> > view and from simple s
On 2025-01-12 at 18:03 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Watching other people find and fix bugs, even in code they
> have written or know well, I can't trust systems built on modern
> Markov chains to do better, no matter how much input you give them, and
> that's without crediting LLMs as able to
On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>
> (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very
> compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs
> are lower.)
Locally-trained models are not practical in the current stage. State-of-the-art
On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 04:56:15PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> > I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
> > contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
> > Debian Developers just
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
> contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
> Debian Developers just like we have other perks listed at
> https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBe
...
> Debian should consider allocating some budget like several hundred USD
> per month for the LLM API calls for all members and new-comers' usage.
I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
Debian Devel
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 18:04:15 +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> Yeah, not sure if that's your point but I think everyone agrees that we
> need a good new packager document and while there were some attempts in
> the past (see links on https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/ )
> there is sti
Hi!
(cross-posting to mentors as they have most experience on what is
wrong with our current docs)
...
> Even if somebody in Debian community has enough time to overhaul everything
> and create a new documentation, it will become the situation described
> in XKCD meme "standards": xkcd.com/927/ -
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:
> Opinion against this post will include something about hallucination.
> In the case LLM write something that does not compile at all, or write
> some non-existent API, a human is intelligent enough to easily notice
> that build failure or l
Il 11/01/2025 16:38, Ahmad Khalifa ha scritto:
On 11/01/2025 12:49, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
Write on Google "Debian create new package" and first result:
https:// wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian
It points to various parts but mainly the more probable start point
seems https://wiki.debian.o
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 03:38:10PM +, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
> > Write on Google "Debian create new package" and first result: https://
> > wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian
> >
> > It points to various parts but mainly the more probable start point
> > seems https://wiki.debian.org/Packagin
On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
>
> Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new
> packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of
> view and from simple searches on the internet I found unfortunately that
> these parts a
On 11/01/2025 12:49, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
Write on Google "Debian create new package" and first result: https://
wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian
It points to various parts but mainly the more probable start point
seems https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro
To point to git and gbp see
Le 2025-01-11 13:49, Fabio Fantoni a écrit :
What would be the best, easiest and fastest procedure (especially for
newcomers) to create a new package from scratch, aiming to use git,
salsa, salsa-ci, gbp and DEP14 from the beginning?
It Depends™. As in, it really depends on what you are pack
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 01:49:33PM +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
> I don't know if I've managed to explain well what I mean, but from what I've
> seen over the years, most of the people I've seen trying to approach
> packaging have had difficulty finding documentation and help (even on
> mentors, alt
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