Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/03/13 08:19, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > >> What we need is someone who can reliably reproduce the issue and help >> with debugging. > > I've had a probably related problem, without using GNOME > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Pocock writes ("Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T"): > On 02/04/13 19:57, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I agree. But such triage should be done in a way that the maintainer > > will agree with. Fighting with the maintainer's view of severit

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 2 avril 2013 19:57 CEST, Ian Jackson  : >> > Unless you are the original reporter and you need to >> > decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the >> > role of the maintainer to do that triaging work (as >> > already stated multiple times!). >> >> We encourage people to help tri

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 19:57, Ian Jackson wrote: > Vincent Bernat writes ("Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad > X220T"): >> ❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand : >>> Unless you are the original reporter and you need to >>> decide in order t

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Vincent Bernat writes ("Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T"): > ❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand  : > > Unless you are the original reporter and you need to > > decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the > > r

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:07:43PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay > >for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? > > > Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY N

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand  : >> I agree - classifying a bug is just a first step before I do anything >> more about an issue > Unless you are the original reporter and you need to > decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the > role of the maintainer to do that triagi

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-29 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> What we need is someone who can reliably reproduce the issue and help > with debugging. I've had a probably related problem, without using GNOME http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455769#59 -- Salvo Tomaselli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:07:43PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay > >for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? > > > Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLU

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/29/2013 03:32 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 28/03/13 18:59, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 28.03.2013 18:48, schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > >> I clearly understand your previous feedback and agree, that is > >> why I thought it might be helpful discussing this issue on > >> debian-devel, to get

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/03/13 18:59, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 28.03.2013 18:48, schrieb Daniel Pocock: > >> I clearly understand your previous feedback and agree, that is >> why I thought it might be helpful discussing this issue on >> debian-devel, to get a feel

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 19:12, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Perfection is unattainable. Every Debian stable release is buggy as > hell, and that's unavoidable, if we want to make any releases at all. I don't think anybody raised the issue of perfection This issue I've observed is a relative one - it was workin

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/29/2013 01:48 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Thomas, you have put a lot of great work into the XCP packages and I'm > glad I've tried them. I've also provided diagnostic information, > patches and workarounds for those issues that I felt to be RC, so that > the users can have the best possible e

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:48:09PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If a package fails to do what it is supposed to do, isn't that a valid > argument that it is RC? > > gnome-power-manager is meant to suspend a user's laptop when they shut > the lid and put it in a carry bag. That's what the manual

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:48:09 +0100 Daniel Pocock wrote: > > This isn't the first time that you are discussing the severity of > > bugs, and raising them to RC level instead of what they deserve, > > which was the original severity. You did that to some of my > > packages (for example, see #695221

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:48:09PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If a package fails to do what it is supposed to do, isn't that a valid > argument that it is RC? No. Or virtually every bug would be RC. > gnome-power-manager is meant to suspend a user's laptop when they shut > the lid and put it

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 28.03.2013 18:48, schrieb Daniel Pocock: > I clearly understand your previous feedback and agree, that is why I > thought it might be helpful discussing this issue on debian-devel, to > get a feel for how the community feels about this type of issue and it's > severity for us and for users dis

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 16:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/28/2013 06:47 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: >>> Control: severity -1 important >>> >>> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes >>> unrelated software on the system (or the whole syst

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/28/2013 06:47 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: >> Control: severity -1 important >> >> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes >> unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break" >> No, it does not. hw will shut its

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 28-03-13 14:04, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes unrelat

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:32:57PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > on a more personal note, why oh why would you ever want the system to suspend > when you close the lid? That's what a suspend button is for. My suspend button requires a function modifier and is ignored if the screen saver is activ

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: >>> Control: severity -1 important >>> >>> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes >>> unrelated software on the system (or the whole system)

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 03/28/2013 07:32 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: (on a more personal note, why oh why would you ever want the system to suspend when you close the lid? That's what a suspend button is for. If my laptop is compiling something, I do *not* want it to suspend when I close the lid, thankyouverymuch. Oh

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/28/2013 12:33 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Think about it another way - if you put Debian on a friend's laptop and they suffer with this issue, would you be quoting that clause in the license for them? I would. Software is made by humans, it's never perfect after all and you should always ex

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 12:24, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2013-03-28 12:08]: > >> On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay >>> for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? >> Debian GNU/Linux come

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: >> Control: severity -1 important >> >> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes >> unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break" >> No, it does not. hw will shut itself o

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Wuertele
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2013-03-28 12:08]: > On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay > >for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? > > > Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? > Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent > permitted by applicable law. This problem happens regu

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: > Control: severity -1 important > > I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes > unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break" > No, it does not. hw will shut itself off before getting damaged. Would you provide a