On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 08:09:09PM +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 01.01.2020, 11:19 -0600 schrieb John Hasler:
> > andrew.mcglashan wrote:
> > > ...it is very limited to a small group of Debian users known
> > > collectively as DDs...
> > It is limited to the people who actually d
Daniel writes:
> Even if users don't have voting rights we bound ourselves to them by
> the Debian Social Contract: "4. Our priorities are our users and free
> software [..]" to which all DDs agreed (myself included). So there
> must be ways for our users to participate in the decision making.
As
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> [stuff]
I just saw Sam's message after I sent my own. I agree that this
discussion has gone past the point where it is useful. Apologies for
the noise.
--
Roberto C. Sánchez
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 04:51:14AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2/1/20 4:19 am, John Hasler wrote:
> > andrew.mcglashan wrote:
> >> ...it is very limited to a small group of Debian users known
> >> collectively as DDs...
> >
> > It is limited to the people who actually do the work.
Am Mittwoch, den 01.01.2020, 11:19 -0600 schrieb John Hasler:
> andrew.mcglashan wrote:
> > ...it is very limited to a small group of Debian users known
> > collectively as DDs...
>
> It is limited to the people who actually do the work. Why should the
> fact that you chose to download, install,
Dear Andrew:
I appreciate that you are hurt and frustrated.
We hear your hurt and frustration.
Discussions of the sort of broad decision making processes within the
Debian Project you are talking about are off-topic for the debian-devel
mailing lists.
There are places where you could bring up the
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Hi,
On 2/1/20 4:47 am, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 08:25:41PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> And a propaganderous push, just accept it and STFU, systemd won,
>> against all odds, just like other crazy political results around
>
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Hi,
On 2/1/20 4:19 am, John Hasler wrote:
> andrew.mcglashan wrote:
>> ...it is very limited to a small group of Debian users known
>> collectively as DDs...
>
> It is limited to the people who actually do the work. Why should
> the fact that you c
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 08:25:41PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> And a propaganderous push, just accept it and STFU, systemd won, against
> all odds, just like other crazy political results around the world.
right, systemd won, because of politics. LOLWUT, thanks for making me
laugh.
thank god
andrew.mcglashan wrote:
> ...it is very limited to a small group of Debian users known
> collectively as DDs...
It is limited to the people who actually do the work. Why should the
fact that you chose to download, install, and use some software that
someone wrote and generously made available to
Martin,
I didn’t say anybody should “shut up”, I said that if one is not able to
respond with kindness and without a rage to a original message that asks for
compassion and kindness, it would be better to not do so. Perhaps, write a
separate email talking about how one feels or maybe just wait
> On 1/1/20 9:46 pm, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>> I agree with Andrew that at least some of the options in the GR
>> were not about diversity or inclusion, but about exclusion and the
>> opposite of diversity. I pointed it out *clearly* before hand, but
>> that was all I could do.
>
> Yes, but it'
Dear Andrej, dear Andrew,
Andrej Shadura - 01.01.20, 13:02:00 CET:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Andrew McGlashan
>
> wrote:
> > reasonable stakeholders, it is very limited to a small group of
> > Debian users known collectively as DDs .. the current "gods" of
> > Debian whom have ultimate powe
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On 1/1/20 11:02 pm, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> reasonable stakeholders, it is very limited to a small group of
>> Debian users known collectively as DDs .. the current "gods" of
>> Debian whom
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Hi,
On 1/1/20 9:46 pm, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I agree with Andrew that at least some of the options in the GR
> were not about diversity or inclusion, but about exclusion and the
> opposite of diversity. I pointed it out *clearly* before hand,
Dear Ondřej,
Ondřej Surý - 01.01.20, 09:39:35 CET:
> Andrew,
>
> look at the subject, then look at what you wrote. If you can’t find
> enough kindness in the situation and you are angry then it might be
> better to not write anything at all.
If one outcome of the GR is to ask people to shut up…
On 1/1/20 8:23 pm, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Sorry, I don't believe the premise in the subject line, it doesn't seem
> at all genuine to me; it is more like F you.
And a propaganderous push, just accept it and STFU, systemd won, against
all odds, just like other crazy political results around t
Sorry, I don't believe the premise in the subject line, it doesn't seem
at all genuine to me; it is more like F you.
Andrew,
look at the subject, then look at what you wrote. If you can’t find enough
kindness in the situation and you are angry then it might be better to not
write anything at all.
Let me quote Neil Gaiman from his New Year’s Eve blogpost
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2019/12/a-new-years-thoug
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On 1/1/20 1:57 am, Aron Xu wrote:
> Some moments I felt quite heart broken to see Debian is at some
> level of risk that the project rarely faced before. We might hold
> different opinions, techinical or perceptional, such diversity is a
> strength
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 5:00 AM Ondřej Surý wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> the init systemd GR is over and we have reached the results in a democratic
> way by following Debian Constitution. However following the process is
> orthogonal to our opinions, positions we took, and our feelings. Now, more
> than
Ondřej Surý wrote:
> the init systemd GR is over and we have reached the results in a
> democratic way by following Debian Constitution. However following the
> process is orthogonal to our opinions, positions we took, and our
> feelings. Now, more than ever, it’s important to be nice to each
> oth
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