Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
> Regarding the assignment of copyright, I took that out of the draft > document. Yay! I knew you were a good guy! :-) Cheers, - Jim pgptBXGtMKzg2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
Regarding the assignment of copyright, I took that out of the draft document. I think that every good license should include the provision that modifications must have the same license as the original software, not a more restrictive license, applied to them. The GPL includes something like this, a

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Ben Pfaff
Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What if the author doesn't want you to do ports? We have one case of > > this already. We also have some cases of "author rudely dropped dead > > without first changing the copyright". > > This is a problem, I admit. What does the law say about copyrigh

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
> Well, it's fine for the author to _require_ that modifications in the > program be returned to the author. It's just not acceptable for the > author to not allow modifications to be distributed. I don't think we should accept licenses that require modifications to be returned to the author, or

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But your promise in not the point. The author wants this promise from > everybody. It's the best way to be assured that improvements get > distributed to everyone and not just a select group. Well, it's fine for the author to _require_ that modifications i

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Brian White
> > That depends on how you look at it. > > > > If the author does not do significant maintenence or has abandoned the > > package then this is true. > > What if the author doesn't want you to do ports? We have one case of > this already. We also have some cases of "author rudely dropped dead > wi

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That depends on how you look at it. > > If the author does not do significant maintenence or has abandoned the > package then this is true. What if the author doesn't want you to do ports? We have one case of this already. We also have some cases of "author

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Brian White
> > I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax > > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > > cause other than sticking a finger in the eye of those who might l

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Tomislav Vujec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But, do we realy distribute modified versions? We distribute modified binary files. I've asked for an explicit permission in the ncurses license that is something like paragraph 1 in our free software guidelines, and Eric seems to be agreeable with that.

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Tomislav Vujec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: > > I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax > > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > > cause other than stickin

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Daniel Quinlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should > relax this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not > being suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it > helps a

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
Brian White: > I personally believe that Debian should relax > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > cause other than sticking a finger in the eye of those who might like > to keep some me

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses

1997-06-04 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Bruce writes, replying to Brian White: > > I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax > > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > > cause other than sticking a

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Bruce Perens
> I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > cause other than sticking a finger in the eye of those who might like > to

Re: Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
Brian White wrote: > I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax > this requirement about non-modifiable & redistributable code not being > suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any > cause other than sticking a finger in the eye of those

Debian's "Modify & Redistribute" Policy (was: the ncurses "brushfire")

1997-06-04 Thread Brian White
> > However now that I *have* done what I should have done two years ago > > and familiarized myself with the license, I think that there is a > > significant problem with the ncurses license as it stands---in that it > > does not guarantee anyone the right to distribute modified versions. > > > >