Re: Bug#530832: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On So, 07 Jun 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > this occuring, but it's still a legitimate case (from dpkg's POV) where the > package's deps will not be satisfied when 'postrm remove' is called. Ah ok thanks. Anyway I have added code to protect this problem and next upload of tex-common will fix that

Re: Bug#530832: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:36:25PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: > On So, 07 Jun 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le vendredi 05 juin 2009 à 21:15 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit : > > > texlive-base's postrm, upon REMOVE, uses a command from tex-common, on > > > which it already DEPENDS. This is all

Re: Bug#530832: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-07 Thread Norbert Preining
On So, 07 Jun 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 05 juin 2009 à 21:15 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit : > > texlive-base's postrm, upon REMOVE, uses a command from tex-common, on > > which it already DEPENDS. This is allowed by policy. > > I’m not sure about the policy, but I’m certain that w

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 juin 2009 à 21:15 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit : > texlive-base's postrm, upon REMOVE, uses a command from tex-common, on > which it already DEPENDS. This is allowed by policy. I’m not sure about the policy, but I’m certain that with the current dpkg version this will fail miserably

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-06 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi guys, let's calm down, its now worth discussing this even further. Policy is buggy, we try to work around it. > We'll have to make an upload of texlive-2007. First we need a fixed tex-common that creates "proper" (for buggy policy) postrm code. Then we can bump build-dep of texlive to that v

Re: Bug#530832: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Norbert Preining wrote: On Do, 04 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Except for arguing, mixing (non?) bugs and resisting to upload an easy > workaround might have made things worse btw... And that easy workaround wou

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > retitle 530832 maintainer scripts created by tex-common may not assume > tex-common to be present in "postrm remove" > thanks > > ia64, I assume that you have moved the broken remains of texlive-base > away manually? He's called Lamont btw... oh right, that's the bugsubmitt

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >> Norbert Preining wrote: >>> On Do, 04 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Except for arguing, mixing (non?) bugs and resisting to upload an easy workaround might have made things worse btw... >>> And that easy workaround would be??? >> To only conditio

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Frank Küster
retitle 530832 maintainer scripts created by tex-common may not assume tex-common to be present in "postrm remove" thanks ia64, I assume that you have moved the broken remains of texlive-base away manually? Agustin Martin wrote: > Frank, your package honours current Debian policy about that, b

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: > Norbert Preining wrote: >> On Do, 04 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: >>> Except for arguing, mixing (non?) bugs and resisting to upload an easy >>> workaround might have made things worse btw... >> >> And that easy workaround would be??? > > To only conditionaly use a command that

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-05 Thread Agustin Martin
[Resending, seems to be delivery problems, sorry if finally gets duplicated] On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:34:40PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > > > Frank Küster wrote: > >> Luk Claes wrote: > >> > >>> Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be > >>> w

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > The thing is that it is not a bug in the buildd chroot or buildd > setup, it's a porter issue... I haven't really analyzed the bug (and only read this thread in the most superficial manner imaginable), so what I said previously (and say below) shouldn't be c

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Luk Claes
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jun 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> If it is not a bug in the package (in other words, no change made >> in the package would fix the issue), I see no point in keeping it >> open. It would be nice, however, is a psuedo-package were created >> for the buildds (

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > If it is not a bug in the package (in other words, no change made > in the package would fix the issue), I see no point in keeping it > open. It would be nice, however, is a psuedo-package were created > for the buildds (or one per buildd, though t

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Luk Claes
Norbert Preining wrote: > On Do, 04 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: >> Except for arguing, mixing (non?) bugs and resisting to upload an easy >> workaround might have made things worse btw... > > And that easy workaround would be??? To only conditionaly use a command that seems to not always be availa

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be >>> worthwile. >> >> Yes, but definitely not after I've spend hours of my little Debian >> arguing about non-bugs with people who don't read what I say and in

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 04 Jun 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Except for arguing, mixing (non?) bugs and resisting to upload an easy > workaround might have made things worse btw... And that easy workaround would be??? Best wishes Norbert ---

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: > >> Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be >>> worthwile. >> Yes, but definitely not after I've spend hours of my little Debian >

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >> Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be >> worthwile. > > Yes, but definitely not after I've spend hours of my little Debian > arguing about non-bugs with people who don't read what I say and instead > insist on blaming ou

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >> Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be >> worthwile. > > Yes, but definitely not after I've spend hours of my little Debian ^time > arguing about non-bu

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2009-06-04, Frank Küster wrote: >> And what would be the criterion for "solved"? After an analysis of >> N build logs of random packages on that buildd show no segfaults any >> more? I am not going to do that. >> >> It's not a bug in my package; I am not going to take

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: > Fine, though taking the trouble to talk to the porters might still be > worthwile. Yes, but definitely not after I've spend hours of my little Debian arguing about non-bugs with people who don't read what I say and instead insist on blaming our packages without explaining why.

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >>> That doesn't solve my problem: Should I >>> - make sure that the porters, buildd admins etc. are aware of the >>> problem and simply close the bug? >> You might want to downgrade the bug and only close it when it is realy >> solved? > > And what wo

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-06-04, Frank Küster wrote: > And what would be the criterion for "solved"? After an analysis of > N build logs of random packages on that buildd show no segfaults any > more? I am not going to do that. > > It's not a bug in my package; I am not going to take responsibility for > it. Th

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: >> That doesn't solve my problem: Should I > >> - make sure that the porters, buildd admins etc. are aware of the >> problem and simply close the bug? > > You might want to downgrade the bug and only close it when it is realy > solved? And what would be the criterion for "sol

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Jun 03 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Luk Claes wrote: >> And what should one do with a bug like this? At the moment it's quite irrelevant whether one of our packages has a bogus RC bug. But what if that happens when I'm hoping for a transition to testin

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-03 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >>> And what should one do with a bug like this? At the moment it's quite >>> irrelevant whether one of our packages has a bogus RC bug. But what if >>> that happens when I'm hoping for a transition to testing? >> Are you now talking about the failure on

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-03 Thread Frank Küster
Luk Claes wrote: >> And what should one do with a bug like this? At the moment it's quite >> irrelevant whether one of our packages has a bogus RC bug. But what if >> that happens when I'm hoping for a transition to testing? > > Are you now talking about the failure on hppa or the one on ia64 (

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-03 Thread Luk Claes
Frank Küster wrote: > [a failed build was wrongly assigned as a RC bug of texlive-base, and > since the reason was a problem on the buildd, I assigned it to > buildd.debian.org] > > Luk Claes wrote: > >> buildd.d.o is not the place to reassign bugs for particular buildds to. >> If it's just for

Re: Bug#531581: Critical problems on hppa and ia64 buildds

2009-06-03 Thread Frank Küster
[a failed build was wrongly assigned as a RC bug of texlive-base, and since the reason was a problem on the buildd, I assigned it to buildd.debian.org] Luk Claes wrote: > buildd.d.o is not the place to reassign bugs for particular buildds to. > If it's just for particular buildds, you'd better