Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-28 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:13:14 +0100 Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 22:31:29 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:31 +0100 Guillem Jover wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:25:59 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > I'll update deb-gview for its next release, alt

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-28 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 22:31:29 +, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:31 +0100 Guillem Jover wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:25:59 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > I'll update deb-gview for its next release, although I'll need some > > > real packages using data.tar.bz2 before

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-28 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:31 +0100 Guillem Jover wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:25:59 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:01:06 +0100 > > Guillem Jover wrote: > > > Well, IMO any program implementing .deb extraction w/o using something > > > like --fsys-tarfile, --extract o

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-28 Thread Guillem Jover
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:25:59 +, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:01:06 +0100 > Guillem Jover wrote: > > Well, IMO any program implementing .deb extraction w/o using something > > like --fsys-tarfile, --extract or --control from dpkg-deb (until we > > have the upcoming libdpkg...

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-24 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:01:06 +0100 Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 22:22:52 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > > > Note that debootstrap does not support data.tar.bz2. > > ar -p "./$pkg" data.tar.gz | zcat |

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Nov 22 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:14:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> You are member of the technical comittee, which means that I should trust >> your experience. I want you and this list to understand that I take your >> advice to orphan my packages ver

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:14:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > You are member of the technical comittee, which means that I should trust > your experience. I want you and this list to understand that I take your > advice to orphan my packages very seriously. Well, that's unfortunate, because M

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-20 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 22:22:52 +, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > > Note that debootstrap does not support data.tar.bz2. > > debootstrap-1.0.20/functions: extract > > progress "$p" "$#" EXTRACTPKGS "Extracting packa

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-20 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am 15.11.2009 16:15, schrieb Joerg Jaspert: > multiple outstanding and intrusive patches got merged. We also discussed > various outstanding topics, a few of which we can report about already, > a few others where we still have to gather more information. This > process, either asking our lawyers o

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes writes: > Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Philipp Kern writes: >> >>> On 2009-11-19, Luk Claes wrote: This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd it was built. >>> That depends on the assumptions. If the assumption is that the buildds are >>> trus

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Luk Claes
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Philipp Kern writes: > >> On 2009-11-19, Luk Claes wrote: >>> This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd >>> it was built. >> That depends on the assumptions. If the assumption is that the buildds are >> trusted (the same as for autosign

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-19, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd >> it was built. > What part of "require some coordination with wanna-build" did you not read? Well, maybe because wanna-build wouldn't be involved except for an updated data sourc

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2009-11-19, Luk Claes wrote: >> This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd >> it was built. > > That depends on the assumptions. If the assumption is that the buildds are > trusted (the same as for autosigning) it would also be easy to argue

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes writes: > Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Sune Vuorela writes: >> >>> On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary >>> Basicalyl, the turnar

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille writes: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 05:52:21AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> And then someone comes along and builds a Supercomputer cluster out of >> game consoles. > > Well, it *might be* that *someone* does this or that. But didn't we say > we give priority to our user_s_

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Felipe Sateler [091118 23:39]: >> You apparently fail to see that building the packages on mips uncovers >> bugs that would otherwise be there, but take a longer time to uncover on >> the 'mainstream' platforms. > > This is not generally true. There are are classes of bugs that appear on > diffe

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-11-19, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:16:41PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: >> On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >> > I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required >> > for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary >> >>

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 05:52:21AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > And then someone comes along and builds a Supercomputer cluster out of > game consoles. Well, it *might be* that *someone* does this or that. But didn't we say we give priority to our user_s_ (mind the plural). So for the th

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-19, Luk Claes wrote: > This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd > it was built. That depends on the assumptions. If the assumption is that the buildds are trusted (the same as for autosigning) it would also be easy to argue that setting up some kind of co

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:16:41PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required > > for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary > > Basicalyl, the turnaround time is too lon

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Luk Claes
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Sune Vuorela writes: > >> On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >>> I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required >>> for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary >> Basicalyl, the turnaround time is too long if we

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Carlo Segre
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Steffen Joeris wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:04:28 pm Carlo Segre wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is simply that it has not ye

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sune Vuorela writes: > On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >> I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required >> for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary > > Basicalyl, the turnaround time is too long if we have to wait for manual > buildd s

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Felipe Sateler writes: > Luk Claes wrote: > >> You apparently fail to see that building the packages on mips uncovers >> bugs that would otherwise be there, but take a longer time to uncover on >> the 'mainstream' platforms. > > This is not generally true. There are are classes of bugs that appea

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille writes: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >> >> I think one would be surprised how many packages get used on 'exotic' >> architectures. Most users don't specifically search for a piece of >> software, they want to have some specific task done by using a s

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Kumar Appaiah
(Note: I am not a porter, so please correct anything wrong I say below) On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 08:29:53AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > How about the porters responsability towards the project ? For instance, hppa > is blocking the testing migration of a couple of my packages, and probably the >

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Nov 18 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 02:49:46PM +, Mark Brown a écrit : >> >> The flip side of this is that it's just inviting maintainers to >> decide they can't be bothered with porting effort and leaving ports >> as second class citizens. > > It seems that t

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 02:49:46PM +, Mark Brown a écrit : > > The flip side of this is that it's just inviting maintainers to decide > they can't be bothered with porting effort and leaving ports as second > class citizens. It seems that the trend this year is to not trust the maintainers fo

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required > for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary Basicalyl, the turnaround time is too long if we have to wait for manual buildd signings. For example, when we u

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-18, Felipe Sateler wrote: > This is not generally true. There are are classes of bugs that appear on > different platforms _due to being different platforms_, not just because > they were latent bugs waiting to be discovered. I presume that packages > that require as much efficiency as

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Felipe Sateler
Luk Claes wrote: You apparently fail to see that building the packages on mips uncovers bugs that would otherwise be there, but take a longer time to uncover on the 'mainstream' platforms. This is not generally true. There are are classes of bugs that appear on different platforms _due to bein

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 08:18:57PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > There are architectures for different issues. There are issues which > > allways need the fastest available architecture and there are other > > needs which are targeting at low power consumption etc. We should > > probably not put a

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:54:18AM +, Philipp Kern a écrit : > >> there might not be clusters of arm yet but I saw offers for clusters of mips. > > Hi Philipp > > I also saw this cluster and got quite curious until I realised that most > programs I package are not par

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Luk Claes
Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Hi! > > First of all, thanks for this great roundup. There are just some few > questions that popped up in my mind that I hope haven't asked yet > (wasn't able to check all the responses completely ...). Sorry if there > are duplications, a reference to the answer fo

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Luk Claes
Clint Adams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >> I don't think it's good to waste buildd time on failing to build packages. >> I also don't think anyone is stopped from setting up a service that >> allows source-only uploads as a go-between. > > Do you mean set up

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Luk Claes
Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >> I think one would be surprised how many packages get used on 'exotic' >> architectures. Most users don't specifically search for a piece of >> software, they want to have some specific task done by using a specific

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:40:52PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > If we mean to attract such users, I do not think that the best strategy would > necessarly be having a pre-existing MIPS support of bioinformatics, which I > think is completely beyond our reach and expertise. I think that what woul

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Nov 18 2009, Clint Adams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >> I don't think it's good to waste buildd time on failing to build packages. >> I also don't think anyone is stopped from setting up a service that >> allows source-only uploads as a go-between. >

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Nov 18 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:42:47AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> >> I beg to differ. This sounds like a maintainer that is not >> providing the support for their package, and needs to orphan that >> package; not building on some archi

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:54:18AM +, Philipp Kern a écrit : > there might not be clusters of arm yet but I saw offers for clusters of mips. Hi Philipp I also saw this cluster and got quite curious until I realised that most programs I package are not parallelised… The day we are contacted

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:42:47AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > I beg to differ. This sounds like a maintainer that is not > providing the support for their package, and needs to orphan that > package; not building on some architecture is often a symptom of > problems elsewher

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! First of all, thanks for this great roundup. There are just some few questions that popped up in my mind that I hope haven't asked yet (wasn't able to check all the responses completely ...). Sorry if there are duplications, a reference to the answer for easier tracking would be appre

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-18, Andreas Tille wrote: > Well, I do not think that you can do gene sequencing or number crunching > on current mobile phones. So there are really programs which are not > needed on all architectures and even if you find a binary package which > claims to do the job it is just useless

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > I think one would be surprised how many packages get used on 'exotic' > architectures. Most users don't specifically search for a piece of > software, they want to have some specific task done by using a specific > package. Not providi

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 08:47:33AM +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > > If your package FTBFS on some architecture, then that is a bug. A bug > > that was already there, it just was not noticed yet. In most cases the > > bug is rather easy to fix, even for non porters as most of the > > archite

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:41:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > I don't think it's good to waste buildd time on failing to build packages. > I also don't think anyone is stopped from setting up a service that > allows source-only uploads as a go-between. Do you mean set up an unofficial upload queue

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-18 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
Luk Claes a écrit : > Charles Plessy wrote: >> Le Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 08:27:22AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : >>> Unless your proposal is just for unstable but doesn't want to change the >>> policy for testing migration? >> Hi, >> >> Testing migration works the way it should: if a package is

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Nov 17 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 08:27:22AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : >> >> Unless your proposal is just for unstable but doesn't want to change the >> policy for testing migration? > > Hi, > > Testing migration works the way it should: if a package is

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-17 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 08:27:22AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : >> Unless your proposal is just for unstable but doesn't want to change the >> policy for testing migration? > > Hi, > > Testing migration works the way it should: if a package is never built on an > arc

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy writes: > Le Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 08:27:22AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : >> >> Unless your proposal is just for unstable but doesn't want to change the >> policy for testing migration? > > Hi, > > Testing migration works the way it should: if a package is never built on an

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 08:27:22AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : > > Unless your proposal is just for unstable but doesn't want to change the > policy for testing migration? Hi, Testing migration works the way it should: if a package is never built on an architecture, testing migration is n

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > To save everybody's time, I proposed earlier in this month's discussion to not > report the build failures in our bug tracking system unless there is an > interest > from the porters or from the package maintainers to make the package available > in the

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar., 2009-11-17 at 14:07 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Although it sounds a bit sillogical, if for some architectures we do not build > the packages that have no users, no user will complain. So why not ? Well, I'm not really sure we can expect our user to follow unstable and each and every

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:38:38AM -0600, Steve Langasek a écrit : > Debian only advances as fast as the slowest supported port That is the key observation. To save everybody's time, I proposed earlier in this month's discussion to not report the build failures in our bug tracking system unless

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:38:15AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > I'm not asserting that this problem is *not* significant, I simply don't >> > know - and am interested in knowing if anyone has more data on this beyond >> > some four-year-old anecdotes. Certainl

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 09:38 -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > I thought the nature of the problem was clear, but to be explicit: > requiring binary uploads ensures that the package has been build-tested > *somewhere* prior to upload, and avoids clogging up the buildds with > preventable failures (so

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 00:36, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > >> >> While I like the "source + trow away" solution, I'd also like to ask >> you to please consider some methods to allow the "throw away" step on >> the developer machine, for exam

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > > While I like the "source + trow away" solution, I'd also like to ask > you to please consider some methods to allow the "throw away" step on > the developer machine, for example having dput/dupload not upload the > .debs (so .chang

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Luk Claes
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Philipp Kern writes: > >> On 2009-11-16, Simon Huggins wrote: >>> If you throw away the binaries, a DD can upload a binary package with a >>> sole binary that prints out banana and a source package that builds the >>> right thing presumably. Are there any checks to

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Luk Claes
Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:38:38AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> requiring binary uploads ensures that the package has been build-tested >> *somewhere* prior to upload, and avoids clogging up the buildds with >> preventable failures (some of which will happen on

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:38:38AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > requiring binary uploads ensures that the package has been build-tested > *somewhere* prior to upload, and avoids clogging up the buildds with > preventable failures (some of which will happen only at the end of the > build, wh

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:38:15AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > I'm not asserting that this problem is *not* significant, I simply don't > > know - and am interested in knowing if anyone has more data on this beyond > > some four-year-old anecdotes. Certainly, Debian with its wider range

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2009-11-16, Simon Huggins wrote: >> If you throw away the binaries, a DD can upload a binary package with a >> sole binary that prints out banana and a source package that builds the >> right thing presumably. Are there any checks to prevent that? >> >> I'm trying to w

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-16, Simon Huggins wrote: > If you throw away the binaries, a DD can upload a binary package with a > sole binary that prints out banana and a source package that builds the > right thing presumably. Are there any checks to prevent that? > > I'm trying to work out if you get what you th

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-16 Thread Simon Huggins
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > source-only uploads > --- > After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the > ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has > shown that allowing source only uploads results i

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > Hello, > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> source-only uploads >> --- >> After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the >> ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has >> shown

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Robert Collins
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 19:29 -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > I'm not asserting that this problem is *not* significant, I simply don't > know - and am interested in knowing if anyone has more data on this beyond > some four-year-old anecdotes. Certainly, Debian with its wider range of > ports is mor

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:48:53AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 11936 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: > > >> source-only uploads > > I am curious on how the rebuild of the architecture-independant packages > > happens. > > That depends on what we get out with in the end. > Probably all buil

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > source-only uploads > --- > After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the > ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has > shown that allowing source only uploads r

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:04:28 pm Carlo Segre wrote: > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away > > binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is > > simply that it has not yet been enabled. Before any versio

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Carlo Segre
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is simply that it has not yet been enabled. Before any version of this can be enabled, buildd autosigning needs to be imple

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11936 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: >> source-only uploads > I am curious on how the rebuild of the architecture-independant packages > happens. That depends on what we get out with in the end. Probably all buildds can build arch:all (so the buildd maintainer wants it), and there will be a

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > > source-only uploads Hi Jörg and all the FTP team, fist of all, I want to say a big thank you for all this work. I have given harsh comments for part of it, but I am really grateful for most. I am curious on how the rebuild of

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11935 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > NEW/Byhand > -- > Due to the massive changes in the archive, NEW (and also Byhand) had to > be disabled. Certain assumptions made by the processing tools no longer > applied. The last week was used to work on this issue and we think this > will

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:53:02 + Mark Hymers wrote: > On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > > Andreas Metzler wrote: > > > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > > > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > > > fo

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Tracking arch all packages > -- > #246992 asked us to not delete arch all packages before the > corresponding (if any) arch any packages are available for all > architectures. Example: whenever a new source pa

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Then can you (or someone else) please explain what exactly is meant by the > reference to bzip2 for binary packages in the following quote from the > original mail: > ! You can use either gzip as usual or bzip2 for the compression within > ! the binary packages - and now also for the source fi

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Frans Pop said: > Mark Hymers wrote: > > I think there's some confusion here between source and binary formats. > > The announcement was referring to bzip2 when used as part of a source > > upload. As far as I can tell from looking in the git logs, dak has > > supporte

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Frans Pop
Mark Hymers wrote: > I think there's some confusion here between source and binary formats. > The announcement was referring to bzip2 when used as part of a source > upload. As far as I can tell from looking in the git logs, dak has > supported data.tar.bz2 since 2005, so I'm surprised that this h

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mark Hymers
On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > Andreas Metzler wrote: > > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > > foo_42.orig.tar.bz2 and .gz. Explicitely passing an option is requir

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-15, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > If Architecture: all is kept then maybe allow source+all uploads? Those are already possible. If they're allowed is another question, though. Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: > > cu and- happliy using v3 for gnutls -reas > > Please avoid doing so for libtasn1-3. Please ignore above; misread. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sandro Tosi writes: > Hello Joerg, > thanks for the updates. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 16:15, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > ... >> source-only uploads >> --- >> After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the >> ftp-team about this matter.  Given that other distros

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Metzler wrote: > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > foo_42.orig.tar.bz2 and .gz. Explicitely passing an option is required > to get bz2 compression for binary packages and/or debian.tar. Note t

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello Joerg, thanks for the updates. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 16:15, Joerg Jaspert wrote: ... > source-only uploads > --- > After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the > ftp-team about this matter.  Given that other distros experience has > shown that allowi

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 15 November 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> dpkg v3 source format, compression [...] > Is there a policy for the use of bzip2? > As discussed earlier bzip2 is *much* slower that gzip and really hurts on > slower arches and systems, so I'd suggest that - especially for

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 15 November 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > dpkg v3 source format, compression > -- > As many already noticed, our archive now additionally supports 3.0 > (quilt) and 3.0 (native) source package formats. You can use either > gzip as usual or bzip2 for the com